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Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

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They broke him. This is going to be an issue for him going forward. Hope I'm wrong.
 
Pierre from Orleans said:
Didn't Karlsson also have issues with the medical and their direction on his ankle injury?
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I mean he's been chronically injured every year since leaving Ottawa not sure how much you can put on Sens doctors. He had the majority of his foot replaced and an absolutely horrendous achilles injury that will hobble just about anyone.
 
FFS. What a mess.
I mean I’m sure most of us thought about it, especially after he came back in the game he was hurt - Please don’t rush him back.
Aaaaaaand here we’re are…
 
they should let him get strength in the ahl

its sad cause when convenient they won't play youth as they have to develop like Brannstrom yet if they can't find help in a position the tune changes
 
From my own personal experience with a dislocated shoulder, assuming that's what Pinto did on Oct 15th, he came back pretty early. I was out of hockey for 6 weeks. Granted, I'm not a pro athlete, nor did I have NHL level medical staff. I had rehab like twice a week, wile Pinto probably had it daily.

Either way, when I got the all clear, I thought I was ok. Played for a while. No issues. Then some douche nozzle scored a goal against my team and was being all douchey about it, so I grabbed him and gave him a shove. For whatever reason, that made my shoulder pop out. Which was unfortunate because shenanigans immediately started, and I only had one working arm. But in the while since I had been playing, I fell on my shoulder, took some hits, got in to scrums. All good. Just a random shove and pop.

Point being, shoulder dislocations suck. They never heal too 100% without surgery, and some random movement will make it pop out. I don't fully blame the medical staff...but I do think he came back early.
 
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THIS IS ALL SPECULATION - But I dont really fault team doctors for sending him back out after the primary injury if he told them he was fine. It could have just been a minor (or major) subluxation of his shoulder and though it feels terrible I have played through one before. But if his shoulder popped back in and he told the doctors he was fine or "my shoulder felt funny but its fine now" i could see why he was allowed to go back in. Unfortunately, that almost certainly led to a more severe tear but could have still been something they woul try to rehab without surgery. He then had like 4 weeks of rehab and rest and that isn't totally crazy to feel like your shoulder is back to normal. As someone with a history of shoulder injuries i can tell you that you can feel 100% and pass all the rehab and strength tests and sometimes your shoulder is just done for the season (or more without surgery) depending on the injury.

Hope Pinto has a successful surgery and a great recovery and comes back feeling good. Not an ideal situation at all but I dont think I can jump down team doctors throats about this unless more information comes out. Hockey players have been underselling major injuries in order to get back on the ice and play for forever. It's dumb but it happens.
 
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Zorf said:
From my own personal experience with a dislocated shoulder, assuming that's what Pinto did on Oct 15th, he came back pretty early. I was out of hockey for 6 weeks. Granted, I'm not a pro athlete, nor did I have NHL level medical staff. I had rehab like twice a week, wile Pinto probably had it daily.

Either way, when I got the all clear, I thought I was ok. Played for a while. No issues. Then some douche nozzle scored a goal against my team and was being all douchey about it, so I grabbed him and gave him a shove. For whatever reason, that made my shoulder pop out. Which was unfortunate because shenanigans immediately started, and I only had one working arm. But in the while since I had been playing, I fell on my shoulder, took some hits, got in to scrums. All good. Just a random shove and pop.

Point being, shoulder dislocations suck. They never heal too 100% without surgery, and some random movement will make it pop out. I don't fully blame the medical staff...but I do think he came back early.
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Beat me to it, I hope your shoulders doing alright these days.
 
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Dan Patrick said:
THIS IS ALL SPECULATION - But I dont really fault team doctors for sending him back out after the primary injury if he told them he was fine. It could have just been a minor (or major) subluxation of his shoulder and though it feels terrible I have played through one before. But if his shoulder popped back in and he told the doctors he was fine or "my shoulder felt funny but its fine now" i could see why he was allowed to go back in. Unfortunately, that almost certainly led to a more severe tear but could have still been something they woul try to rehab without surgery. He then had like 4 weeks of rehab and rest and that isn't totally crazy to feel like your shoulder is back to normal. As someone with a history of shoulder injuries i can tell you that you can feel 100% and pass all the rehab and strength tests and sometimes your shoulder is just done for the season (or more without surgery) depending on the injury.

Hope Pinto has a successful surgery and a great recovery and comes back feeling good. Not an ideal situation at all but I dont think I can jump down team doctors throats about this unless more information comes out. Hockey players have been underselling major injuries in order to get back on the ice and play for forever. It's dumb but it happens.
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Yup, I've had running injuries like this. Get injured --> rest --> strengthen and rehab --> feel like I'm 100% again --> on my second or third run injured again

Had a friend who wrestled and dislocated his kneecap. Full rehab and strengthening for a year, we were shooting around at a basketball court and he dislocated it taking a shot. Not even running or moving laterally, just straight up shooting practice.

It's just how it goes sometimes. Now, is that the case here with Pinto or is it bad medical advice? No idea. But it's not out of the ordinary for someone to think they've recovered from an injury and then to re-injure it.
 
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L'Aveuglette said:
Nothing will ever stop you from taking bullets for this organization eh?
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Ya well when I watch a guy get hurt in pro sports and the first thought is blaming Melnyk or the closest person you can find to him....Well that seems childish. Playing "sides" with no info or rational reasoning? Lol sureeee
 
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Coming back from an injury is always a risk, but......we're in November here. There is no need to rush a guy back in November, when you have a good five months to catch up on wins. Plus, we weren't likely going to nab a wildcard spot for the playoffs anyways. Do the smart thing and give a player - especially a young player who doesn't have all his man strength yet - that extra few games or week to make sure everything is 100% before going back in. I know they want the name players on the ice to attract fans and all that, but when you risk what we're likely facing now, in having a kid out the rest of the year....it was a short-sighted decision. This organization has to be smarter than that. We need these kids to be core players for us for the better part of a decade. Got to treat them with a little more care and long-term thinking in mind.
 
The Senators staff have absolutely failed Pinto.

It'd be one thing if he came back and got clocked into the boards again. Both times he came back he reaggravated the injury with basic movements.

All players always want to come back early. That's their job. It's the organizations job to stop them.

Based on what I've seen this looks like a partial labrum tear that has become a full and displaced one in need of surgical anchors.

Judging by the fact it got worse from the faceoff my, completely non-medical, opinion is that he has a posterial labrum tear. I have one too and when I tweak it I am am back to square one.

I'll likely never get the benefit of anchors as I'm not a professional athlete. I never think I'm going to reaggravate it until I have, so I understand why Pinto would think he was ready to play.
 
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