Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[Bevans]

I don't think Pinto leaving the game again was related to the shoulder, it seemed to be the slash

Blaming him for not defending there is undeserved, he received a 2 hands slash. It should have been a Senators PP instead.



I was wondering why the refs missed that, I thought that he momentarily lost focus to move away from the action but it happened before so he must have seen it. Maybe he coudn't double task? lol that sucks because it probably changed the game. And it was lucky goal too, a shot through traffic that lands right on Couture's tape who is left alone because of the slash he gave

That game sucked. Sens deserved a much better fate



Is this already a meme?

I don't think that slash was anything. It was the swing and reach for the puck by pinto that confirmed he was unable to play. There's no way a slash on the left side of his midsection aggravated his right should injury

 

[SensFan1010]

I don't think Pinto leaving the game again was related to the shoulder, it seemed to be the slash

Blaming him for not defending there is undeserved, he received a 2 hands slash. It should have been a Senators PP instead.



I was wondering why the refs missed that, I thought that he momentarily lost focus to move away from the action but it happened before so he must have seen it. Maybe he coudn't double task? lol that sucks because it probably changed the game. And it was lucky goal too, a shot through traffic that lands right on Couture's tape who is left alone because of the slash he gave

That game sucked. Sens deserved a much better fate



Is this already a meme?

I feel like it was more the shoulder that was the issue. Im not blaming the kid i just thought it wasnt the right call putting him back out there when he literally couldnt hold his stick the whole shift

 

[slamigo]

Putting Pinto back on the ice when he was obviously not able to play didn't do the kid any favours and it led directly to the game winning goal for SJ. If I'm DJ, I'm not happy with the training/medical staff.

 

[Tuna99]

I feel like it was more the shoulder that was the issue. Im not blaming the kid i just thought it wasnt the right call putting him back out there when he literally couldnt hold his stick the whole shift

looked like broken ribs to me - when he twisted he was hurting and that’s bruised or broken ribs.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Huge sigh of relief, even if it's a couple of weeks or a month, it's obviously better than months and months.

 

[Xspyrit]

I don't think that slash was anything. It was the swing and reach for the puck by pinto that confirmed he was unable to play. There's no way a slash on the left side of his midsection aggravated his right should injury

Well, how could we possibly know either way? The only fact we have is that once he received the slash, he felt pain. What happened after is anybody's guess. Did he simply lost focus because of pain and then didn't know where to go on the ice? He has very little pro experience. Did he wanted to change? But then realized the bench was too far...



We will see but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't miss much time if any. If he came back right away, it means he was cleared. I doubt they would have let him play if his shouder was in bad shape.

He could also have a double injury but we won't know anyway, it's going to be "upper body injury"

I feel like it was more the shoulder that was the issue. Im not blaming the kid i just thought it wasnt the right call putting him back out there when he literally couldnt hold his stick the whole shift

See above

 

[God Says No]

looked like broken ribs to me - when he twisted he was hurting and that’s bruised or broken ribs.

To me it looks like he couldn't raise his right hand more so than twist. You'll notice he hunches over and keeps his shoulder/arm down. DJ came out and said no structural damage which further re-inforces my initial diagnosis of sprained AC joint.

 

[Micklebot]

Well, how could we possibly know either way? The only fact we have is that once he received the slash, he felt pain. What happened after is anybody's guess. Did he simply lost focus because of pain and then didn't know where to go on the ice? He has very little pro experience. Did he wanted to change? But then realized the bench was too far...



We will see but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't miss much time if any. If he came back right away, it means he was cleared. I doubt they would have let him play if his shouder was in bad shape.

He could also have a double injury but we won't know anyway, it's going to be "upper body injury"



See above

It really seemed to me the pain after the slash was from his attempt to bat the puck, the rotational force on his right shoulder/arm from swinging his stick is likely what had him wincing not the stick across his chest,

 

[guyzeur]

We should call up Logan Brown..............oh yeah.... never mind.

WoW comment of the year.

 

[guyzeur]

It really seemed to me the pain after the slash was from his attempt to bat the puck, the rotational force on his right shoulder/arm from swinging his stick is likely what had him wincing not the stick across his chest,

You got it right, I've sprained/damaged both of my shoulder and it's exactly how I feel when doing a movement in opposition to my injury.

 

[guyzeur]

Why would the staff have let him back on?

It makes me more confident for a fast return. But I have no idea why they'd take the risk so quickly, knowing he was unwilling to take a faceoff and was favoring his arm.

Have you ever had an injury (let's say a twisted ankle) where you've tested yourself the field but once you've went back on the field and used it during the game, you realized that it was not a good idea to continue.

And his case, the doctor made him move his arm (shoulder really) in different directions to see if he Pinto was in any pain, he probably said not really. So the doctor told him to give it a try like. Pinto quickly realized by adding some speed to that shoulder motion the extra range caused a much bigger pain and he didn't want to risk a worst injury.

 

[guyzeur]

Putting Pinto back on the ice when he was obviously not able to play didn't do the kid any favours and it led directly to the game winning goal for SJ. If I'm DJ, I'm not happy with the training/medical staff.

totally agree

 

[OD99]

Putting Pinto back on the ice when he was obviously not able to play didn't do the kid any favours and it led directly to the game winning goal for SJ. If I'm DJ, I'm not happy with the training/medical staff.

Exactly.

I was shocked he was back on the ice that faceoff was right in front of us - you could tell he was in a lot of pain, moving his shoulder, rubbing it and then waving in the winger to take the draw it was obvious he shouldn't have been on.

The fact it led to the tying goal sucks but that is all on doctors and coaching. Game 4 of the season is not so important our emerging #2C should miss the entire first period with an injury yet miraculously be healed and sent back on.

Very bad decision to let them happen from a few people but Pinto was just being a competitor.

 

[Bevans]

Have you ever had an injury (let's say a twisted ankle) where you've tested yourself the field but once you've went back on the field and used it during the game, you realized that it was not a good idea to continue.

And his case, the doctor made him move his arm (shoulder really) in different directions to see if he Pinto was in any pain, he probably said not really. So the doctor told him to give it a try like. Pinto quickly realized by adding some speed to that shoulder motion the extra range caused a much bigger pain and he didn't want to risk a worst injury.

Have I ever had adrenaline mask pain? Yes. It's the players job to say he can play through it and it's the medical staff's job to say no.

Circle of life.

Now we find out he can't even play Saturday. This was clearly a serious blunder by the medical staff.

The haphazard medical assessment is magnified in that it came on the same day as Tkachuk's return.

Sit Tkachuk for over a week so that he can recuperate from... rest.

Immediate play Pinto after violent shoulder impact.

Brilliant.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Have I ever had adrenaline mask pain? Yes. It's the players job to say he can play through it and it's the medical staff's job to say no.

Circle of life.

Now we find out he can't even play Saturday. This was clearly a serious blunder by the medical staff.

The haphazard medical assessment is magnified in that it came on the same day as Tkachuk's return.

Sit Tkachuk for over a week so that he can recuperate from... rest.

Immediate play Pinto after violent shoulder impact.

Brilliant.

Brady wasn’t recuperating, he was trying to get up to game speed and get a handful of NHL practices in before his first game.

Pinto invariably told the trainer that he was good to go. Guys do it all the time. Like was previously mentioned his range of motion probably didn’t feel to bad sitting in the trainers room moving his arm. He says he feels ok and is good to back. Trainer says ok.

Dj sees him back on the bench good time go, puts him out.

Pinto immediately realizes that with the added strain of pushing the shoulder with stick and physical play is extremely painful and that it was a mistake to come out.

It’s all good, and we even see vets come out and try and take a shift and then back down the ramp they go. The problem here is that Pinto gave up on the play when the pain hit, and that’s where experience will teach him to both, test the arm more on the ice in a tv timeout or something, and two, to keep your positioning even if it hurts.

No chance our staff threw the kid out there knowing he was still in that much pain.

 

[swiftwin]

Can't really blame the training staff here. They probably checked to see if there's any structural damage to Pinto's shoulder, which there apparently wasn't any, so if Pinto says the pain is manageable and he's good to go, then he's good to go. At the end of the day it's on Pinto. Hard to fault him too much, he's a young kid hopped up on adrenaline and doesn't want to let the team down. Just chalk it up as a learning oppotrunity for Pinto.

 

[playasRus]

You'd think they'd put him on during a TV time out or something and tell him to shoot some pucks. Not right in on a PK...

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

When he came back all he was doing was looking distressed and uncomfortable about his shoulder, before the play even started.


Uhhh like hello?

 

[Boud]

When he came back all he was doing was looking distressed and uncomfortable about his shoulder, before the play even started.


Uhhh like hello?

I don't necessarily blame Pinto but the medical staff should not have cleared him back out there. I assume he wanted to show he was able to go back because hockey culture is just that way but it was clear from the second he was back on the ice that he wasn't fit to play. Sucks that it essentially cost us at least a point but it is what it is.

 

[HSF]

I put more blame on Pinto

He needs to know he won't help the team. Nick Paul said in his interview that he talked to Pinto after about that

 

[OD99]

Can't really blame the training staff here. They probably checked to see if there's any structural damage to Pinto's shoulder, which there apparently wasn't any, so if Pinto says the pain is manageable and he's good to go, then he's good to go. At the end of the day it's on Pinto. Hard to fault him too much, he's a young kid hopped up on adrenaline and doesn't want to let the team down. Just chalk it up as a learning oppotrunity for Pinto.

It took basically nothing for him to not be able to play...he couldn't even hold his stick properly.

There is no way they put him through the paces properly to address that injury and determine if he could play. It was immediately apparent before the faceoff he wasn't good to go.

I actually wished our media would question that move a lot more because it really doesn't make sense.

 

[HSF]

It took basically nothing for him to not be able to play...he couldn't even hold his stick properly.

There is no way they put him through the paces properly to address that injury and determine if he could play. It was immediately apparent before the faceoff he wasn't good to go.

I actually wished our media would question that move a lot more because it really doesn't make sense.

shouldn't pinto know this? It's his body.

Guys know they are not good to go all the time. The doctor will go by what you have to say if there is no structural damage. Everyone has their own pain threshold

 

[OD99]

I put more blame on Pinto

He needs to know he won't help the team. Nick Paul said in his interview that he talked to Pinto after about that

No way - a young kid looking to make his mark in the NHL and presumably being told there is not risk of further injury if you can tough it out will always choose to go play.

Not sure what tests they gave him but nobody can convince me they evaluated his ability to play properly when it was obvious to anyone watching he was not going to be able to go before that faceoff. He couldn't skate or hold his stick properly for God's sake.

 

[OD99]

shouldn't pinto know this? It's his body.

Guys know they are not good to go all the time. The doctor will go by what you have to say if there is no structural damage. Everyone has their own pain threshold

They could have had him hold a 10lb dumbbell out to his side and he wouldn't have been able to do it.

They could have done all sorts of things that would have immediately shown he wasn't fit to play. The player doesn't hold all the cards and between the trainers and coaches it should have been very clear he couldn't go and help the team.

Does he get a fraction of some blame? OK, I can support that but even in little league, etc...players want to play and as a fresh faced rookie someone in charge should have made the right call to have him sit and get reevaluated later. Game 4 of the regular season is not the time to have our 2C go out and fight through pain.

 

[HSF]

No way - a young kid looking to make his mark in the NHL and presumably being told there is not risk of further injury if you can tough it out will always choose to go play.

Not sure what tests they gave him but nobody can convince me they evaluated his ability to play properly when it was obvious to anyone watching he was not going to be able to go before that faceoff. He couldn't skate or hold his stick properly for God's sake.

Highly doubt that the staff are telling players to tough it out in 2021.

If they deemed there is no structural damage they probably left it in his hands to decide if he wants to go or not.

Like Paul said if you feel like its not 100% you should sit out. Its too early in the season

Methot also said in the intermission that the sens have a world class training staff