Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2
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It’s not on the staff, they are support staff for the players. If the player says that he’s good to go, it hurts but I can play, that’s his choice. These aren’t children, when the multi million dollar athlete tells you he’s good to go, and there is no structural damage according to your assessment, you have to let him go.
Pinto learned very quickly that it was too painful, and off he went. Sucks that a goal was scored as a result, but as mentioned Paul talked to him about it and our young warrior learned a valuable lesson about pain thresholds, and alternate ways to help the team (not being a liability).
The truth is that we see this stuff all the time where a guy comes back, takes a shift, and it doesn’t work and he’s gone again, like we see it often enough just on our team. In this situation it was the timing of it that has raised the stakes.
I think it’s all good, he leaned a valuable lesson.
Pinto learned very quickly that it was too painful, and off he went. Sucks that a goal was scored as a result, but as mentioned Paul talked to him about it and our young warrior learned a valuable lesson about pain thresholds, and alternate ways to help the team (not being a liability).
The truth is that we see this stuff all the time where a guy comes back, takes a shift, and it doesn’t work and he’s gone again, like we see it often enough just on our team. In this situation it was the timing of it that has raised the stakes.
I think it’s all good, he leaned a valuable lesson.
LMAO if you looked at him even on TV and thought, "yep, he is ready go go" then it doesn't matter because we won't ever agree.
My entire stance is based on the fact it was CLEAR he wasn't ready to go just by seeing him skate from the bench to faceoff dot and then attempt to skate up the ice while cradling his arm. If the staff tested him at all then yes 100% I question, in that instance, what they did and how they concluded he could go.
Maybe the entire time they tested him he gritted through it and showed no signs of being limited but when he hit the ice the facade fell apart but I doubt it.
**Also I wasn't suggesting they told him to fight through it, simply saying if they told him there was no structural damage then that is what he would try to do**
Nothing like the normal situation where a guy takes a quick twirl to see if his ankle/knee can take it.
Maybe it didn't show up on the TV but I was at the game and that face-off was right in front of us and I have no idea how simply skating could have him in so much pain yet anything else they would have tested wouldn't have brought the same result in the dressing room.
It boggles the mind to suggest that the 2 basics of the game - holding your stick and skating - would be the only 2 things to show he was incapable of playing hockey.
Anyway, I am not going to keep discussing this as it is pointless. I am not trying to convince anyone else what I believe and my position won't change as I know what I saw.
I’m not talking about a twirl on the skates, I’m talking about a guy talking a shift and then leaving the bench again and not coming back. It happens.
I don’t disagree with what you saw. My point was that he obviously didn’t show that level of discomfort when dealing with the trainers, and he obviously pressed to return to the ice.
It ended up being a bad idea, which is fine. Tons of learning going on in all kinds of situations.
Calling out our training staff based on nothing but conjecture is a bit off side I’d say, especially given their rep, and the knowledge that players want and try to play through pain all the time, of their own volition.
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Seriously, why is everyone so eager to find someone to blame? Shit happens.
Sometimes you don’t know until you try to play. I broke my finger once blocking a shot and then tried to play next shift. I was on the ice for about 8 seconds and skated back to the bench. Lol.
I think Pinto thought to himself “maybe it’s not so bad?” but then he got trapped out there.
Sens made their own bed by not adding depth down the middle which has been an issue since last season
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Hopefully Pinto has a speedy recovery.
Personally, I would sit him until he’s 100% and not take any risks whatsoever.
Personally, I would sit him until he’s 100% and not take any risks whatsoever.
AchtzehnBaby
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Tough news? I think it's great news that it's not a lot more - hopefully and that it comes in the fewest games scheduled in next 10 days . November will be 15 games in 27 days (Nov 1st-27th ).
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Big Muddy
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Have the team doctors (or anyone) said what the injury actually is? Just curious? Shoulder injuries can be tricky.
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We still have two good centres in Norris & Nick Paul & Tierny can play on the 3rd line for a while so it's not all bad. Shaw has been with the team all season & is playing centre & normally plays RW. It's not great obviously & they have a few more centres in Belleville, but to get a good centre is going to cost them & I'm not sure they want to give up the assets to bring in a good centre especially this early in the season. They may just wait it out.
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Yeah that’s excellent news if that’s all it is and he recovers totally.
The owner even said we have to add a Center this past off season lmaooo
I wouldn’t consider white or bishop as centers who can replace either pinto or norris in the top 6
it’s also risky going into the season with pinto being your only option for number 2.
you have to be atleast 3 deep in players who can play in your top 6 . We have way too much cap space not to do that
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It could be that people are talking about different points/subjects withOUT realizing it?
Maybe its not the quantity of centers? Maybe its about quality and signing another center that is capable of playing in the top 3 lines?
I don't know if this is true, just trying to point out that the people engaged in this topic/conversation might be talking about different things. There's a cliche that goes something like this: "A problem well identified is a problem half solved".
Any update? How serious is his injury? I know its at least 5 games, but any idea how many more than that?
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I've often heard you should have 8 centers who could play in the NHL. Usually 6 on your roster with a couple holding down winger positions who can transition during injuries (like Nick paul) and 2 call ups who could play a few games and not skip a beat. (Like Logan Shaw)
I don't think that's our issue.
Our issue is proven guys who could play top 9 C.
We went in with sophomore Norris, Rookie pinto, and meh white who many think should play RW.
You get one injury there and you're f***ed. We should have went in with a more vet middle 6 center. Even if we overpay slightly to bring in a guy for a couple years.
