Confirmed with Link: Shanahan Presser (Video)

[Maple Leaf]

tl;dr: Dubas overplayed his greedy little hand

Seems like a weird story not sure why he even said all that

 

[hfman]

I honestly find it kind of odd that the President of hockey operations of a multi billion dollar corporation comes out to a press conference and spills the entire story of private behind-the-doors negotiations between management personnel.............


Did Dubas know that his boss would come out to a public presentation and re-hash their private interactions to a bunch of media vultures like that? Talk about deceit!!

What is a future GM going to think about this? That every time Shanahan and I discuss a contract, he's going to turn around and air out the whole thing to the media scum at a press conference if I decide to not sign the deal?


something stinks there, the whole press conference isn't at face value because professionals like that don't do things like this


they can say whatever they want at a press conference but the reality is that none of us have any idea of what's really going on behind these multi-billion dollar corporations' closed doors

 

[JSn0w93]

Shanahan would've been fired as well if he didn't have a couple years left on his deal, and rightfully so.

 

[Petrus]

I honestly find it kind of odd that the President of hockey operations of a multi billion dollar corporation comes out to a press conference and spills the entire story of private behind-the-doors negotiations between management personnel.............


Did Dubas know that his boss would come out to a public presentation and re-hash their private interactions to a bunch of media vultures like that? Talk about deceit!!

What is a future GM going to think about this? That every time Shanahan and I discuss a contract, he's going to turn around and air out the whole thing to the media scum at a press conference if I decide to not sign the deal?


something stinks there, the whole press conference isn't at face value because professionals like that don't do things like this


they can say whatever they want at a press conference but the reality is that none of us have any idea of what's really going on behind these multi-billion dollar corporations' closed doors

This is not some regular financial services corporation on Bay Street. This is hockey, with media flying around like vultures.


If this was a regular company there would be zero pressers and Dubas would not dare talk about his family concerns. That did not happen. Dubas tried to leverage the press to extract more from MLSE.

I like Shanny’s candor. Shanny’s message is simple: you publicly undermine me and the board then you are out. We don’t need people who are not committed to the team.

 

[Stephen]

The lack of paln B is getting obscenely overlooked right now.

His entire plan for the offseason was simply "obviously Dubas will sign an extension" - which clearly didn't happen.....

I'm not a Kyle guy but I thought him staying on was the best option for a business as usual summer, continuity, making Big 4 moves and re-signing who we need to. But his press conference was a wild card and caused more instability and uncertainty. When you look at the sequence of events, Kyle could have communicated everything he did to the public but internally, resolved his contract and been able to function in a way to best represent the organization.

 

[Superstar]

I'm not a Kyle guy but I thought him staying on was the best option for a business as usual summer, continuity, making Big 4 moves and re-signing who we need to. But his press conference was a wild card and caused more instability and uncertainty. When you look at the sequence of events, Kyle could have communicated everything he did to the public but internally, resolved his contract and been able to function in a way to best represent the organization.

I was looking forward to see how Dubas was going to deal with Matthews' and Nylander's contracts, and deal with the core 4 this off-season...let's hope the new GM is competent.

 

[hfman]

This is not some regular financial services corporation on Bay Street. This is hockey, with media flying around like vultures.


If this was a regular company there would be zero pressers and Dubas would not dare talk about his family concerns. That did not happen. Dubas tried to leverage the press to extract more from MLSE.

I like Shanny’s candor. Shanny’s message is simple: you publicly undermine me and the board then you are out. We don’t need people who are not committed to the team.

i didn't believe Dubas to be genuine at his presser. it's all a game to them. they aren't airing personal and private information out to a media circus like that lol. it's a game to benefit themselves and like you said gain some leverage for themselves.

Dubas said he has to talk with his wife before deciding to sign the next deal. Like, really? Even if it is true, he comes out in front of these media hawks and says something like that? riiiiight. LOL. that's private info. give me a break lol it's just a game to these millionaires

And then Shanny comes out and re-hashes the whole scenario, step-by-step, like he's telling a story around a campfire. Corporations don't come out infront of media like that and spill their entire private negotiations and operating procedures lol.

this is the Leafs. and it's all a show

 

[boxbox]

What a bunch of BS. Shanahan should be the first to go since he put that band together. I love how he stresses the importance of experiences one gains as a player and executive over time to better understand & be aware of the possible impact the GM position can have on all aspects of one's life yet goes on to hire someone with neither to be the GM. I cant really blame Dubas for taking the job, but that job should have never been offered to him. Simply too young and inexperienced for that big of a stage. Lack of life experiences most tend to face at a age Dubas has yet to reach is very much a big reason why he no longer is with the Leafs. I feel as Shanahan chose to ignore that concern. I've been critical of Dubas the GM, but I give him credit for saying what he said and prioritizing the well being of his family knowing very well it would be the end of him being the GM. Dubas the father and husband I have nothing but respect for.

 

[Petrus]

If I was Dubas at the presser my message would have been simple:

“We failed to achieve our goal. I am disappointed in our results.

After this conference I am eager to start working immediately towards next season.

I have one of the best jobs in world. We have great fans, team and organization. I won’t stop working until our goal of a Stanley cup is achieved.”

That is the type of message a leader puts out even if the leader has some reservations. You can’t publicly state your reservations.

That is crazy! And Bad for team Morale. It shows you are not up to the task.

 

[HofT]

Dubas said his focus was on the Leafs. Thing is, he had no contract. The whole time, Dubas was talking about his job security. That's what he meant when he said this year it took a toll on his family. He didn't have a contract.

So, with an uncertain future ahead, it seems likely that Dubas desired a long-term contract during negotiations. Shanahan, who saw Dubas as his protégé and the successor to Lamoriello (who had a long 28 year tenure with the Devils and had his first contract with them for a duration of 10 years from 1987 to 1997) probably wanted to retain Dubas. It's his boy. Given that Dubas had been mentored by Lamoriello, it is also very probable that Dubas aimed to emulate Lamoriello's approach and want full control and long term.

However, I'm willing to bet that it appears to me the Board of Directors was not inclined to offer Dubas a lengthy deal and Shanahan is simply talking this way to save his own ass. With that, the tradition of Leafs ownership screwing over the team continues.

 

[Petrus]

Dubas said his focus was on the Leafs. Thing is, he had no contract. The whole time, Dubas was talking about his job security. That's what he meant when he said this year it took a toll on his family. He didn't have a contract.

So, with an uncertain future ahead, it seems likely that Dubas desired a long-term contract during negotiations. Shanahan, who saw Dubas as his protégé and the successor to Lamoriello (who had a long 28 year tenure with the Devils and had his first contract with them for a duration of 10 years from 1987 to 1997) probably wanted to retain Dubas. It's his boy. Given that Dubas had been mentored by Lamoriello, it is also very probable that Dubas aimed to emulate Lamoriello's approach and want full control and long term.

However, I'm willing to bet that it appears to me the Board of Directors was not inclined to offer Dubas a lengthy deal and Shanahan is simply talking this way to save his own ass. With that, the tradition of Leafs ownership screwing over the team continues.

Dreger mentioned Dubas had a ~4m x 4/5 offer which makes him one the best paid GMs despite having only 1 round of playoff win during his tenure.

Where do you get a job that gets you raise after failing objectives 4 years straight?

 

[Phion Keneuf]

If I was Dubas at the presser my message would have been simple:

“We failed to achieve our goal. I am disappointed in our results.

After this conference I am eager to start working immediately towards next season.

I have one of the best jobs in world. We have great fans, team and organization. I won’t stop working until our goal of a Stanley cup is achieved.”

That is the type of message a leader puts out even if the leader has some reservations. You can’t publicly state your reservations.

That is crazy! And Bad for team Morale. It shows you are not up to the task.

Yup.

Should’ve left out the whole family bullshit which was evidently a ploy to get a larger contract. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t have been said out loud. What happened to tight lipped Dubas? He overplayed his hand when he legitimately had the best job in the world.

I wanted to keep him, but how could you after that? This wishy washy attitude and sense of entitlement is exactly what’s holding us back from succeeding in the post season.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Let this meme go forth and flourish:

 

[ClarkSittler]

After watching that I'm wondering how Shanahan still has a job.

I'm glad Dubas is gone, but he's the least culpable of the 3 running the team, Keefe and Shanahan need to go too.

So Brenden thinks Kyle did a great job and wanted to resign him but suddenly changed his mind last minute when the financials changed? He's making this move with no plan B in mind?

Sorry but this franchise is screwed with him running the show, zero results since he came on board, he's an incompetent clown.

 

[HofT]

Dreger mentioned Dubas had a ~4m x 4/5 offer which makes him one the best paid GMs despite having only 1 round of playoff win during his tenure.

Where do you get a job that gets you raise after failing objectives 4 years straight?

Was it always 100% Dubas's team? Cause right now, it doesn't sound like it was. I think ownership really did have a voice and Shanahan is the puppet. That's why Shanahan still has a job. He's a good puppet and the ownership group needs a hockey head to communicate what they exactly want.

And I'm not sure about the rumored offer, I didn't catch what Dreger said. If that was the offer then yea, Dubas should have taken it.

 

[WillyC]

When the dust settles on this… everyone will realize that Shanny is the problem.

He is a narcissist.

 

[mikeyz]

I'd argue he's the worst GM in decades. AT least the past garbage teams didn't have numerous elite talents on ELCs out the gate.

Dubas completely dropped the ball on the best opportunity we've seen in decades.

If I could like this a million times, I would.

Very well said.

 

[Jmo89]

The same elite talents who have underperformed in the playoffs? Is that such an advantage?

The same elite talent Dubas repeatedly said he believed in and refused to hold accountable and shake-up his entire tenure, yeah.

That doesn't even include the loser coach he refused to get rid of.

 

[centipede2233]

After watching that I'm wondering how Shanahan still has a job.

I'm glad Dubas is gone, but he's the least culpable of the 3 running the team, Keefe and Shanahan need to go too.

So Brenden thinks Kyle did a great job and wanted to resign him but suddenly changed his mind last minute when the financials changed? He's making this move with no plan B in mind?

Sorry but this franchise is screwed with him running the show, zero results since he came on board, he's an incompetent clown.

Agreed. shanahan Needs to go. It just shows that shanahan won’t fire any gm he hires based on performance as winning in The playoffs seem meaningless.

 

[Superstar]

The same elite talent Dubas repeatedly said he believed in and refused to hold accountable and shake-up his entire tenure, yeah.

That doesn't even include the loser coach he refused to get rid of.

One thing that Shanahan doesn't say in his presser was how he felt when he heard Dubas said "everything is on the table"...Dubas was literally admitting that his vision and the way he'd built the team with the core 4 was all wrong, so by that token, Shanahan could also conclude that even Dubas' GM job is also on the table, and if Dubas' vision is wrong by his own admission, why would Shanahan continue to employ him and not seek another GM with a different vision?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Of course he doesn’t when everything was pointing to Dubas coming back. Throws them for a surprise with his press on Monday and pulls a fast one with a higher contract demand Thursday.

If Dubas walked Matthews into his NMC activating without a contract in place, would you not blame him for not having a plan B in place just because Matthews was saying all the right stuff going into July 1st? As soon as he didn’t want to sign after the trade deadline, plan B should have been getting fleshed out immediately.

 

[Maplebeasts]

I don’t like that Dubas is gone right now at such a pivotal moment for this team but I understand Shanny’s POV here. You simply can not give a GM with one playoff round win in 6 seasons when he started his tenure off with such good pieces complete autonomy. Dubas is not the only decent GM out there.

 

[hfman]

If I could like this a million times, I would.

Very well said.

how long has Dubas been here? 9 years?

How many as GM, at least 5?

And **ONE** playoff round victory, which was followed up by being trampled in 5 games the next round lol


How exactly does any of that translate to a highly desired GM ???

He should have stayed on... beefed up his resume and then leave on better terms next year after being eliminated early again

...but talk about burning bridges.

he might be vastly over-estimating his value, who knows?

guy always seemed like a smooth talker to me though. I know I said this years ago and he always seemed like a smooth talker with no results to back any of it up lol

 

[Maplebeasts]

After watching that I'm wondering how Shanahan still has a job.

I'm glad Dubas is gone, but he's the least culpable of the 3 running the team, Keefe and Shanahan need to go too.

So Brenden thinks Kyle did a great job and wanted to resign him but suddenly changed his mind last minute when the financials changed? He's making this move with no plan B in mind?

Sorry but this franchise is screwed with him running the show, zero results since he came on board, he's an incompetent clown.

I don’t think it was the money. I think it was the demand for complete autonomy.

 

[hfman]

might be unrelated but I heard that by the time she finished singing the anthems, other teams playing that night in other cities across the NHL were already in the 2nd intermission... is it true