Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[keonsbitterness]

Well, so much for Tanenbaum, Rogers, and Bell, wanting a Stanley Cup !!!

Tanenbaum has limited power at MLSE. Rogers and Bell are contractually obligated to vote the same way, so their majority stake allowed them to get their way and bring the gang back.

As I predicted, by the way. Have I mentioned that?

 

[AvroArrow]

Good, but this is the last chance. This team should have advanced this year, they played more than well enough so I was all for keeping this group together. We all know how the series went and I still go back to the absolutely horrific officiating in games 6/7, we were not outplayed we just had all the whistles go against us and some blatant penalties not called.

With that being said, this is the absolute last chance for everyone, including Shanahan. I expect quite a few moves by Dubas this off-season, mainly the bottom 6. Next year regardless of injuries/officiating whatever it is, if this results in another 1st round exit everyone should be booted. Hell even if it's a 2nd round exit, there is a strong case to be made that they should still be fired. The standard cannot be simply winning a round, that's just unacceptable.

 

[Alamo Leafer]

keep pecking hoping for a breakthrough

 

[WTFMAN99]

Part of me wants to see the chaos of them being out of the playoffs like 25-50% through the season.

 

[Stephen]

Stability will win out over change.

Considering where the organization has been for most of the past 25 to 55 years having a great regular season team with big time star power isn’t the worst purgatory…

I guess if you take the long, long view they need to stay on positive direction over the next few years, re-sign Auston Matthews who buys in long term and gently pivot out of the next 3 years of Tavares.

 

[robertmac43]

Thank goodness!

 

[WTFMAN99]

Considering where the organization has been for most of the past 25 to 55 years having a great regular season team with big time star power isn’t the worst purgatory…

I guess if you take the long, long view they need to stay on positive direction over the next few years, re-sign Auston Matthews who buys in long term and gently pivot out of the next 3 years of Tavares.

If I am Matthews and the team still hasn't advanced next season beyond round 1, I am not signing that extension.

Rangers, Boston, Kings, Ducks etc could all be more interesting.

 

[Lemontree]

I think this is obviously their last chance and probably a full clear out of all if they loose again in the 1st round. Its a shame that Dubas is willing to go down with the ship as i think he is far better than the other 2. If he fired Keefe this summer and still lost in the 1st round, Dubas is probably safe as he can point to trying to make changes etc. Without any major changes (i don't expect we will see the core change except for goalies either) Dubas will know he is done if they flame out again. Seems a really Loyal guy, if that is good for job prospects in the NHL is to be seen lol

Where does this thinking come from? What has Kyle Dubas done that so many people are impressed with?

He was given the keys to a speedboat......built it into a pontoon and hired "his guy" as the captain of this slow moving boat accident. "Its a shame Dubas is willing to go down with the ship"........NO, its a shame that the loyal fans who waited for years for the Leafs to do a proper rebuild......FINALLY, clued in and did a scorched earth rebuild and we waited, watched and dreamed that this would all be worth it someday is sitting here in this mess and on top of that need to hear and read over over again at how the Leafs are "doomed" if Kyle Dubas isn't around.

Its the equivalent of taking financial advice from a millionaire......without realizing he was given a billion dollars to start with.

 

[justashadowof]

About 10 years ago the media were vicious critics of MLSE. Today there's as many MLSE propagandists as critics. This is how they think they can get away with shuffling some deck chairs with another summer of league minimum hires.

 

[ToneDog]

Looks like Shanny and Dubas have 9 lives.

 

[Stephen]

If I am Matthews and the team still hasn't advanced next season beyond round 1, I am not signing that extension.

Rangers, Boston, Kings, Ducks etc could all be more interesting.

Honestly, I don’t think running away makes a legacy.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Honestly, I don’t think running away makes a legacy.

Winning a cup does

The rate this team is "progressing" - he's going to be doing his retirement presser the year after they break through to the 2nd round.

 

[Stephen]

About 10 years ago the media were vicious critics of MLSE. Today there's as many MLSE propagandists as critics. This is how they think they can get away with shuffling some deck chairs with another summer of league minimum hires.

Think they just parked the bus vs any criticism. Realized how they could set the tone by how they reacted in house.

 

[Tak7]

Tanenbaum has limited power at MLSE. Rogers and Bell are contractually obligated to vote the same way, so their majority stake allowed them to get their way and bring the gang back.

As I predicted, by the way. Have I mentioned that?

What?

 

[Stephen]

Winning a cup does

The rate this team is "progressing" - he's going to be doing his retirement presser the year after they break through to the 2nd round.

“I couldn’t get my young dream team to the promised land so I went to California to bandwagon on another team ”. That’s the Kevin Durant special and his reputation has always suffered as a result of going to GSW.

 

[Leafidelity]

Not even a little bit suprising. I called this before the playoffs even started.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Good, but this is the last chance. This team should have advanced this year, they played more than well enough so I was all for keeping this group together. We all know how the series went and I still go back to the absolutely horrific officiating in games 6/7, we were not outplayed we just had all the whistles go against us and some blatant penalties not called.

With that being said, this is the absolute last chance for everyone, including Shanahan. I expect quite a few moves by Dubas this off-season, mainly the bottom 6. Next year regardless of injuries/officiating whatever it is, if this results in another 1st round exit everyone should be booted. Hell even if it's a 2nd round exit, there is a strong case to be made that they should still be fired. The standard cannot be simply winning a round, that's just unacceptable.

Agree with all this, I would only say that as far as moves go, the top priority by far has to be finding a #1 goalie, even it means moving Nylander to get it done.

Where does this thinking come from? What has Kyle Dubas done that so many people are impressed with?

He was given the keys to a speedboat......built it into a pontoon and hired "his guy" as the captain of this slow moving boat accident. "Its a shame Dubas is willing to go down with the ship"........NO, its a shame that the loyal fans who waited for years for the Leafs to do a proper rebuild......FINALLY, clued in and did a scorched earth rebuild and we waited, watched and dreamed that this would all be worth it someday is sitting here in this mess and on top of that need to hear and read over over again at how the Leafs are "doomed" if Kyle Dubas isn't around.

Its the equivalent of taking financial advice from a millionaire......without realizing he was given a billion dollars to start with.

There's the good, and there's the bad. We could list some of the good things but that's been done already so I'd say you either haven't been paying attention, or you just don't care.

Honestly, I don’t think running away makes a legacy.

Indeed.

 

[trellaine201]

Is Shanahan staying?

 

[A1LeafNation]

We didn't think they would be a better team this year after last year's team..and they proved us wrong.

Let's see what happens.

 

[WTFMAN99]

“I couldn’t get my young dream team to the promised land so I went to California to bandwagon on another team ”. That’s the Kevin Durant special and his reputation has always suffered as a result of going to GSW.

They weren't his dream team though even, Arizona was.

We were just lucky to get him, he's gonna leave here with the Calder, Hart, Rockets, Ted Lindsay and at least 1 60 goal season on the resume and currently 33 pts in 39GP, maybe finishes with a pt/game in playoffs if he can finish his next 2 1st series like he did this last one.

Unlikely anyone remembers Matthews anything other than an elite talent that left because we could never figure out the supporting cast, every great needs it.

Ovechkin was amazing but took Washington a while to figure out Semin, Green, Varlamov etc weren't gonna be the ones to help put the team over the top. They drafted and developed more talent, found some good trades in Oshie, signed good UFAs etc.

Teams generally keep adding, Blues lost Backes but found a way to add Brayden Schenn and ROR in short order.

Tampa managed to add Sergachev and McDonagh.

We're losing more talent than we're gaining most years and no sure things in the pipeline to help our current core.

 

[ULF_55]

Doesn't mean they'll all be here when the playoffs begin.

 

[WF19]

Same management group that is gonna make Matthews walk. They have 1 year to figure it out then his NMC kicks in and the Leafs are then screwed and there is an actually possibility that they might lose him for nothing. Either that or he gets another contract that will really handcuff the team because the other big 3 are still on the roster with those massive deals. Doubt he takes a hometown discount to stay in that fire. Campbell is gone, Gio isn't signing for a million and Dubas just needs to admit is was a mistake for those 4 contracts without a goalie and defense to play with Reilly. I'm not a Leaf fan by any means but he needs to move on from Marner, he would get a haul. Tavares your gonna have to sweeten the deal to take that albatross contract if he even agrees to it, and Nylander isn't Marner but his contract is probably a bit of a bargain. Trading Marner you would have money for a #1 goalie, upgrade on defense, players that aren't Spezza or Thornton and will have soke money to re-sign Bunting. If he continues next year like he did then he will be getting a 4-5mil raise easy.

 

[LeafsFan89]

They weren't his dream team though even, Arizona was.

We were just lucky to get him, he's gonna leave here with the Calder, Hart, Rockets, Ted Lindsay and at least 1 60 goal season on the resume and currently 33 pts in 39GP, maybe finishes with a pt/game in playoffs if he can finish his next 2 1st series like he did this last one.

Unlikely anyone remembers Matthews anything other than an elite talent that left because we could never figure out the supporting cast, every great needs it.

Ovechkin was amazing but took Washington a while to figure out Semin, Green, Varlamov etc weren't gonna be the ones to help put the team over the top. They drafted and developed more talent, found some good trades in Oshie, signed good UFAs etc.

Teams generally keep adding, Blues lost Backes but found a way to add Brayden Schenn and ROR in short order.

Tampa managed to add Sergachev and McDonagh.

We're losing more talent than we're gaining most years and no sure things in the pipeline to help our current core.

I think Auston Matthews needs to score more clutch goals in the playoffs games than he has before we can push that narrative.

 

[ShaneFalco]

10/10 times now the vast majority of the core here has had a chance to eliminate a team and failed 100% of the time.

4 1st round losses

We don't wanna make major changes, we're bringing back the same coach and GM.

What the actual ****?

And many are happy with it

 

[Lemontree]

Agree with all this, I would only say that as far as moves go, the top priority by far has to be finding a #1 goalie, even it means moving Nylander to get it done.


There's the good, and there's the bad. We could list some of the good things but that's been done already so I'd say you either haven't been paying attention, or you just don't care.

Indeed.

Who's we......the Dubas fan club? Sure, go ahead a list his positive moves. Here are a few on the other side of good:

Traded Kadri for Barrie (1 year crappy rental) and Kerfoot.

Traded a 1st round pick Nick Foligno (who was clearly injured for a good part of the season prior to the TDL).

Signed UFA Peter Mrzek (3 year/$3.8M cap hit when they have no wiggle room), when his #1 Jack Campbell (who is also Dubas guy) was expected to be #1A and a UFA at the end of the season (If you believe Jack Campbell would be the #1A in this scenario than he gave a direct comparable of $3.8M for his backup......agent would use this number and understandably be seeking $5M plus).

Signed UFA Nick Ritchie (no cap wiggle room)

Traded a 1st round pick to jettison Patrick Marleau's final year of his contract (find another example of having to attach a 1st round pick to move out a contract while only receiving a 6th round pick in return).

Traded Connor Brown and Nikita Zaitsev for Cody Ceci.

Traded Kasperi Kapanen for 1st round pick (Amirov health is not up for discussion), this is to illustrates once again that depth was traded off the team for someone who isn't on the roster the current group.

Traded Mason Marchment to Florida for Dennis Malgin (after spending time and resources developing Marchment and starting to see his game flourish at the AHL level).

Traded Andreas Johnsson for Joey Anderson


*Everyone appears to be dumbfounded on our lack of depth*


Lost in the 1st round in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022