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Clark4Ever said:
It's possible to be upset about losing a tight hard fought series and still acknowledge that the team played well overall.

I feel the same way. Unlike past playoff disappointments, I thought we deserved to win the series this time but got robbed by the officials. This one felt a lot like 1993 against LA.
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How did you feel about their play in games 2 & 4?
Was it anywhere near good enough?
Essentially they played poorly in 28.5% of the 7 games.
That is why they lost the series.
 
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Clark4Ever said:
I think it's important to distinguish the fact that Dubas has been at the helm for only 3 seasons and Keefe has had even less time than that while compiling the best winning percentage in franchise history,
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Dubas was hired in 2014 and has been gm since 2018. That's 4 years.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
That's a good point too. People seem to want to blame Dubas for losses when he wasn't even in charge which isn't fair. And while regular season is far less important than the playoffs (at least to me), the fact that we've established ourselves as one of the top regular season teams year after year isn't completely meaningless either.
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After last year, most people acknowledged that the regular season has zero meaning.

We had a franchise record setting season in 2018 and yet Lou was still let go. Remember, that was 2 years after finishing last place.

Dubas inherited 105 point team and has 4 first round loses but we are supposed to take solace in the fact we had a great regular season and a close PO?

The goal is to win the cup. That involves winning four (4) rounds. Dubas has zero (0) wins in four (4) years.

The fact so many of you want to run it back for a 5th consecutive year after the exact same end result is literally insanity.
 
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HolyCrap said:
I’m not nearly as pissed as last year. I went into this season expecting a first round loss and I truly believed in it. I was hoping to be surprised and I felt the team had the ability but it was way easier accepting the reality this season.
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You summed up my feelings perfectly. Not as embarrassed as last year, as I had already accepted defeat. Sad isn't it?
 
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Stamkos4life said:
The goal is to win the cup. That involves winning four (4) rounds. Dubas has zero (0) wins in four (4) years.
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Shanny has 0 in 8 years
Keefe outcoached in every playoff he's been in
But they deserve a pat on the back to some because they competed this time.... well in most of the games.
 
Stamkos4life said:
The fact so many of you want to run it back for a 5th consecutive year after the exact same end result is literally insanity.
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This is getting old, seriously.

There are changes every year, this year will be no different so nobody's running back the same thing. So instead of yelling at the clouds, what changes do you want to see?

GM?
Coach?
President?
Goalie?
1 of the big 4?
More than 1 of the big 4?
Changes in supporting forwards - more grit or WE?
Changes on defence?

All of the above? Some of the above? Fire everyone, trade all our good players and start over again?
 
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BertCorbeau said:
TBH it's a bit refreshing to see a management group be given some rope to learn and adjust as they've gone to build and tweak their vision.
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Man that's some weak sauce
Given some rope? They set new records for playoff futility. Their vision should have been declared a failure 2 years ago
 
Gary Nylund said:
This is getting old, seriously.

There are changes every year, this year will be no different so nobody's running back the same thing. So instead of yelling at the clouds, what changes do you want to see?

GM?
Coach?
President?
Goalie?
1 of the big 4?
More than 1 of the big 4?
Changes in supporting forwards - more grit or WE?
Changes on defence?

All of the above? Some of the above? Fire everyone, trade all our good players and start over again?
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Well we know the 3 Stooges aren't going anywhere
Many have been saying a core piece needs to go for a while but we're considered haters and "stupid"- and we'd be blowing it up
Goalie changes? We don't even have a #1, not even a #2 really
I think everyone knows Kerfoot has to go except maybe Dubas
 
Tuttle said:
Man that's some weak sauce
Given some rope? They set new records for playoff futility. Their vision should have been declared a failure 2 years ago
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My point is that it seems like forever that it's been a knee-jerk, sky is falling entitled mentality that demand change when there's failure. It's tiring. I've seen enough bad GM's and coaches with this team to recognize a couple who aren't terrible.
 
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Stamkos4life said:
After last year, most people acknowledged that the regular season has zero meaning.
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What do you mean by "zero meaning". Meaning in what way?

I've said so many times that I want playoff success, the regular season is a warmup basically. If on the other hand were talking about how to assess how good or bad teams are, then the regular season has a ton of meaning. Our regular season success in that regard is a HUGE argument in favour of us being a good team, not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.


Tuttle said:
Well we know the 3 Stooges aren't going anywhere
Many have been saying a core piece needs to go for a while but we're considered haters and "stupid"- and we'd be blowing it up
Goalie changes? We don't even have a #1, not even a #2 really
I think everyone knows Kerfoot has to go except maybe Dubas
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Stooges - there's no need to be insulting, we're all adults here, let's not descend to schoolyard level.

Not clear on what you're saying. You would get rid of Keefe, Dubas and Shanahan? And get a new goalie? And move just one core piece and Kerfoot, is that right?
 
Gary Nylund said:
What do you mean by "zero meaning". Meaning in what way?

I've said so many times that I want playoff success, the regular season is a warmup basically. If on the other hand were talking about how to assess how good or bad teams are, then the regular season has a ton of meaning. Our regular season success in that regard is a HUGE argument in favour of us being a good team, not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.



Stooges - there's no need to be insulting, we're all adults here, let's not descend to schoolyard level.

Not clear on what you're saying. You would get rid of Keefe, Dubas and Shanahan? And get a new goalie? And move just one core piece and Kerfoot, is that right?
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It has zero meaning, until they lose a couple in a row in the regular season. Then it means everything.
 
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BertCorbeau said:
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My point is that it seems like forever that it's been a knee-jerk, sky is falling entitled mentality that demand change when there's failure. It's tiring. I've seen enough bad GM's and coaches with this team to recognize a couple who aren't terrible.
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See you next season, because we're not terrible.
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Gary Nylund said:
What do you mean by "zero meaning". Meaning in what way?

I've said so many times that I want playoff success, the regular season is a warmup basically. If on the other hand were talking about how to assess how good or bad teams are, then the regular season has a ton of meaning. Our regular season success in that regard is a HUGE argument in favour of us being a good team, not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.



Stooges - there's no need to be insulting, we're all adults here, let's not descend to schoolyard level.

Not clear on what you're saying. You would get rid of Keefe, Dubas and Shanahan? And get a new goalie? And move just one core piece and Kerfoot, is that right?
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It doesn't matter what I'd do does it? And we don't have a goalie unless you expect a bounce-back from warrior Mrazek. But if you'd like to know, as soon as Shanny not only indicated Dubas and his puppet would be back (while also giving them a pat on the back), I would have cleaned house. 8 years for Shanny and not one playoff round.

At the very least Keefe should have been fired. Regular season coach just like his team and has no answers when teams wait for them to screw up, and then clog up the centre of the ice.
I'd look at moving Nylander, hell I'd explore moving Marner and what that would look like. The only untouchable on this team to me is 34. But Dubas has staked his job on this core publicly, so I don't expect core changes. I would trade Kerfoot, Muzzin, Holl, let Mik walk.... bury Simmonds, let Kase walk......

I don't know, the 3 Stooges sounds rather fitting, call me immature.
 
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Star article today mentioning that there is no CEO at MLSE. Perhaps that may explain how those 3 could strut around like it's just the status quo despite another playoff failure. I guess currently Brendan Shanahan is accountable to no one.
 
Tuttle said:
It doesn't matter what I'd do does it? And we don't have a goalie unless you expect a bounce-back from warrior Mrazek. But if you'd like to know, as soon as Shanny not only indicated Dubas and his puppet would be back (while also giving them a pat on the back), I would have cleaned house. 8 years for Shanny and not one playoff round.

At the very least Keefe should have been fired. Regular season coach just like his team and has no answers when teams wait for them to screw up, and then clog up the centre of the ice.
I'd look at moving Nylander, I would trade Kerfoot, Muzzin, Holl, let Mik walk.... bury Simmonds, let Kase walk......

I don't know, the 3 Stooges sounds rather fitting, call me immature.
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Of course it doesn't matter what any of us would do but this is supposed to be a place to discuss hockey.

Yes puppets, stooges etc. is immature and not conducive to discussion. I get that you're angry, does insulting people on the internet make you feel better? If it does then good for you I guess, hopefully you'll get over it at some point because like I say, this is supposed to be a place for discussion, not pointless spewage.

Moving Nylander is fine, moving anyone is fine really but it all depends on what we get back in return. Or are you saying move him for anything, just to get rid of him?

What do you mean by "bury" Simmonds?

What if we do trade Nylander, and do all the other things you suggest as well? Would you then retract your statements about our management group? After all, if they do exactly what you want them to do, you must think they're a pretty smart bunch, no?
 
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Tuttle said:
What do I hear from zeke Dekes TotallyBias and Nylanderthal all year?
Are you the forum cop Gary? Does policing a forum over the internet make you feel better? Block me

What if we do trade Nylander, and do all the other things you suggest as well? Would you then retract your statements about our management group? After all, if they do exactly what you want them to do, you must think they're a pretty smart bunch, no?

Pointless, ridiculous question. f***ing win something and I'll gladly eat my words and you can all call me a stooge
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Haha wow, you really are angry.

If these posters you mention make you angry, you could take your own advice and put them on ignore. I have one of them on ignore myself, it definitely helps. :)

Why is my question pointless? I like most of your suggesting and some of them I'm pretty sure will be done.

I have concerns about Dubas as well and I've stated what they are. There's good and bad about this team, just like any other and I try to acknowledge both.
 
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