Prospect Info: Shakir Mukhamadullin (#20 pick - 2020 draft)

[Nubmer6]

BTW, I *DO* think Fitz panicked, but not on the selection. I think he panicked when he realized ha had to pronounce Mukhamadullin's name. He kind of paused, took a deep breath, then blurted it out.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I think a big difference in opinions is based on people factoring in his KHL start this year and those who haven't seen him play yet this year.

One of the guys mentioned he wasn't in their rankings solely based on not seeing him enough to give a fair ranking.

 

[Xirik]

Except he's supposed to be a good skater, and has some pretty good offensive numbers.

Thats what they said about Larsson in his draft year though.

Muk could be better then Larsson but I tend to undershoot then overshoot when comparing players.

 

[Nubmer6]

Thats what they said about Larsson in his draft year though.

Muk could be better then Larsson but I tend to undershoot then overshoot when comparing players.

I'm not saying he's going to be as good as Larsson. I'm just saying what held Larsson back was his skating, which doesn't SEEM to be the case with Mukhamadullin. Also, Larssons offense was always imagined. People kept saying he didn't show it yet in minors, but they were expecting it to come around, which it never did.

Mukhamadullin seems to have put up some very impressive numbers in Russia already.

So... CAN he be better than Larsson? I think so, but I'm don't know how good his D will translate, and it takes a lot more than just pure talent to make it in this league. You have to have the drive to get better and be consistent.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Mukhamadullin is an EXCELLENT pick!! Heres some quick facts for the doubters: In 14 games this year he already has 6 points. The KHL records for points by a defenseman at 18 are a random with 8 and Orlov with 7... in 40+ games!! Mukh has that in 14 almost! And that isn't even his strong suit outside his heavy shot, hes a defensive guy! I absolutely love the prospect of having a 6'3" heavy shot dman whos playing with men, in an important role past the bench, in a league where young dmen are held down longer periods than most. His potential is super high IMO and I think this wasn't a reach at all and we had him above Schneider on our board. His contract is up 21-22 and he could maybe challenge for a spot by then given his size.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Yeah, this is the kid, who can really be great. With his size, skating and shot his projection is very high. Now he isn't consistent and does some big mistakes on the ice. So the question is, are those just typical D mistakes of a young kid or do they happen because his IQ isn't that great. You won't answer that question right away. As always, when it comes to young defensemen. Especially such big ones. I personally think, one day he can become someone like Headman.

 

[Blackjack]

Yeah, this is the kid, who can really be great. With his size, skating and shot his projection is very high. Now he isn't consistent and does some big mistakes on the ice. So the question is, are those just typical D mistakes of a young kid or do they happen because his IQ isn't that great. You won't answer that question right away. As always, when it comes to young defensemen. Especially such big ones. I personally think, one day he can become someone like Headman.

I guess I'd be okay with that.

 

[dls]

I guess I'd be okay with that.

lol theoretically everybody can become everybody ---

the draft is a game of assessing talent , results and discounting it off of risks of translating that into the game and the strategy of the team.

Outside of them both being tall not sure how you make the assessment

 

[frankiedue]

Of course he’s going to say that to save face but I wonder if it’s true

I believe him. You know why? If the Devils thought Schneider was the last D-man of a certain Tier and they wanted a D-man, why take a chance of whoever is picking at #19 taking that guy? They would have taken Schneider right at #18. Instead they took Mercer.

 

[Kshahdoo]

lol theoretically everybody can become everybody ---

the draft is a game of assessing talent , results and discounting it off of risks of translating that into the game and the strategy of the team.

Outside of them both being tall not sure how you make the assessment

Yeah, Hedman had a lot of hype and was picked 2nd overall, but for a few years he didn't look like a great pick. If Mukhamadullin was Swede, I bet, he would have had much bigger hype and been considered a top15 or even top10 pick.

 

[Blackjack]

Yeah, Hedman had a lot of hype and was picked 2nd overall, but for a few years he didn't look like a great pick.

I remember when we drafted Larsson, some of us were worried that he would be "another Hedman" i.e. a decent but unremarkable large defenseman. Oh man.

 

[Nubmer6]

I remember when we drafted Larsson, some of us were worried that he would be "another Hedman" i.e. a decent but unremarkable large defenseman. Oh man.

Actually, I think Hedman had come around by then. I definitely had visions of Larsson becoming the next Hedman, so he couldn't have been THAT bad.

 

[glenwo2]

It's the 2nd best league in the world and he's playing a regular shift at 18 with experience in previous years. It's not a bad KHL team either, they are pretty good.

I never really viewed the KHL as a great league.

Maybe it's just my NHL bias talking.

Hopefully, Shakir turns into the real deal but we won't really know for at 4-5 years.

 

[Forge]

I never really viewed the KHL as a great league.

Maybe it's just my NHL bias talking.

Hopefully, Shakir turns into the real deal but we won't really know for at 4-5 years.

Its widely considered the second best, I'm pretty sure, with the SHL considered 3rd? After that, I'm not sure...I'd guess Liiga?

 

[Devil made me do it]

Rags board hated the Schneider pick. That doesn't make our pick any better. The other two picks were great. This one is a puzzle. We shall see how the kid develops.

 

[glenwo2]

"I MUST BREAK YOU" vibes here.

But why did the vid cut off at the end? BOOOO!

 

[glenwo2]

Its widely considered the second best, I'm pretty sure, with the SHL considered 3rd? After that, I'm not sure...I'd guess Liiga?

Thanks.

Maybe my still-lingering bitterness at Kovalchuk(for some strange reason) is at fault here....

 

[Nubmer6]

OK... Its been a few hours. I'm beginning to warm up to this kid now.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Looks like you guys picked up your own Ziyat Paigin.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I never really viewed the KHL as a great league.

Maybe it's just my NHL bias talking.

Hopefully, Shakir turns into the real deal but we won't really know for at 4-5 years.

Shakir could make the big club by 2022! no need for 4-5 years, hes a bigger guy already getting starting time in the KHL, he wont be a usual KHL wait time

his current deal ends 2022 I believe

 

[glenwo2]

Shakir could make the big club by 2022! no need for 4-5 years, hes a bigger guy already getting starting time in the KHL, he wont be a usual KHL wait time

his current deal ends 2022 I believe

I'm looking at it from the perspective of his age.

Isn't he 18?

Plus, he's a D-man, not a Forward.

D-men normally take years to develop.

 

[Forge]

Shakir could make the big club by 2022! no need for 4-5 years, hes a bigger guy already getting starting time in the KHL, he wont be a usual KHL wait time

his current deal ends 2022 I believe

If he's here in 2, I'd be floored. I'd estimate at least 3, potentially 4. Russia doesn't like to give up their guys easily.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I'm looking at it from the perspective of his age.

Isn't he 18?

Plus, he's a D-man, not a Forward.

D-men normally take years to develop.

hes a dman who got KHL games at 17 and now starts regularly at 18. in the KHL this is very uncommon. His size is tall yet thin so weight is the only issue there, though his shoulders are broad so he will fill out.

He isnt like most KHL D prospects in that hes already in the big league and signed for three years, so he likely would make the jump to NA then whereas a Yegor Rykov would have had to makw the KHL by 19/20 and then sign for three years.

Mukh is ahead of the game and for good reason - hes a homerun-potential pick! imagine a slightly lighter but quicker Shea Weber

 

[beekay414]

I think we're going to see a few years of what Okhotyuk and Vukojevic look like before Misyul and Mukhamadullin come over.

Bahl-Smith
Okhotyuk-Severson
Vukojevic-Walsh

is the d group, barring trade, for the foreseeable future IMO (obviously like 2022 not next year)

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

If he's here in 2, I'd be floored. I'd estimate at least 3, potentially 4. Russia doesn't like to give up their guys easily.

I have him at three, show up in the 22-23 season. so the 20-21, 21-22 seasons in Russia, by the time he makes the team full time at the end of the NHL 22-23 season or maybe sign a one year deal to stay, depends how he feels about adjustment to NA ice