Proposal: Severson to Toronto

[HugeInTheShire]

Ask for a reasonable return and the outrage would be less.

The only offers I've seen from Leaf fans are, a 3rd or free.
I think the OP is on the high side, but nowhere near the insanity that has resulted.
Realistically the Devils should be after 2 of the assets mentioned in the OP and a smaller add or a bigger add with taking Richie back for cap space.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Severson should 100% be the Leafs #1 target, but they aren't moving Liljegren to make it happen. Also 1 of Ritchie, Holl, or Dermott has to go the other way even at 50%

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Essentially 3 first round picks for a human turnstile?

No chance

Rightly or wrongly, Leafs fans watched Severson get absolutely embarassed on the ice a few weeks ago. I don't think you're going to get a lot of interest.

Guy is a right handed Jake Gardiner. Huge pass on this guy

Honestly I have zero interest in Severson out side of a reclamation project.
not the D man we want or need at all.

Severson is absolute garbage defensively, I would not take him for free. Not even exaggerating. In our back to back games, he was hands down the worst player for either team. He can't defend, he's not physical, never in position. Absolutely zero interest in Severson.

The proposed offer is laughable. Just considering how bad he is, he's literally not worth taking for free. Waste of cap space, heavy pass.

Severson is terrible, I'd take him for free, but including Liljegren and robbie and a 1st is disgusting. Trade him somewhere else and ask for a similar package and you'll be laughed out of the thread.

We just going to pretend Severson isn't 5th league-wide in in Defensive WAR? Ok Leafs fans, gotta love 2 game sample sizes

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

We just going to pretend Severson isn't 5th league-wide in in Defensive WAR? Ok Leafs fans, gotta love 2 game sample sizes

Hes not a fit, move on.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Hes not a fit, move on.

He is easily the best top 4 RD Toronto could realistically go after this deadline

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Severson would be one of the top lines in hockey.

 

[MoreMogilny]

To Toronto:
Damon Severson @50% retained salary
2022 3rd round pick

To NJ:
Nick Robertson
Timothy Liljegren
2022 1st round pick

I wouldn’t trade Liljegren straight up.

Never mind piling more key assets on top.

 

[Kurtz]

We just going to pretend Severson isn't 5th league-wide in in Defensive WAR? Ok Leafs fans, gotta love 2 game sample sizes

Looking at those stats, are you really going to brag about a dman with 0.2 WAR? That's the guy you think is worth the OP's asking price?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

We just going to pretend Severson isn't 5th league-wide in in Defensive WAR? Ok Leafs fans, gotta love 2 game sample sizes

don't care, he Gardiners and I am all Gardiner'd out

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Looking at those stats, are you really going to brag about a dman with 0.2 WAR? That's the guy you think is worth the OP's asking price?

If you scroll up I said that the OP's base is wrong. Toronto should not be trading Liljegren.

I think you are missing the point though. Severson is not great offensively but he is very good defensively. Claiming he sucks defensively based off 2 bad games vs Toronto is ignorant

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

don't care, he Gardiners and I am all Gardiner'd out

Lol so you are ignorant?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Lol so you are ignorant?

if ignorance is not having Severson on my team than ignorance is bliss lol

 

[Puckclektr]

Guy is a right handed Jake Gardiner. Huge pass on this guy

Good to know that you haven't seen him play.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

He is easily the best top 4 RD Toronto could realistically go after this deadline

This isn't true at all. Also even if it was, his brain cramps in game are terrible and he has a huge issue with an aggressive forecheck. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

This isn't true at all. Also even if it was, his brain cramps in game are terrible and he has a huge issue with an aggressive forecheck. Thanks but no thanks.

And you are basing this opinion off of what? 2 games?
Defensively Severson has been better than every defenseman on the Leafs roster this year with the exception of Liljegren who has played way less and much more sheltered minutes. Even vs Liljegren Severson is better in HD situations

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

And you are basing this opinion off of what? 2 games?
Defensively Severson has been better than every defenseman on the Leafs roster this year with the exception of Liljegren who has played way less and much more sheltered minutes. Even vs Liljegren Severson is better in HD situations

You assume a lot for someone who likes to make bold claims about other people. You happen to be misinformed in regards to my lack of viewings of severson. I've watched him a lot over the years, and have watched him atleast in 10 games this season. Thats why I'm sure he's not a good fit on the leafs blue line. Your more then welcome to disagree with me, but you need to stop throwing out statements about people and their supposed ignorance of a player when you really have no clue about said people.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Wow you know I think Sev would be a great fit in Tironto just wasn't sure if they would be willing to move him since they are close to competing but after seeing the offer I think they take it and run
Leafs offer too much imo

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I’d be happy with Liljegren and a 2nd for Severson.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I’d be happy with Liljegren and a 2nd for Severson.

Leafs aren't trading Liljegren, trade him somewhere else.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Wow you know I think Sev would be a great fit in Tironto just wasn't sure if they would be willing to move him since they are close to competing but after seeing the offer I think they take it and run
Leafs offer too much imo

Op is a wishful thinking devils fan. Leafs would never offer that package for severson.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You assume a lot for someone who likes to make bold claims about other people. You happen to be misinformed in regards to my lack of viewings of severson. I've watched him a lot over the years, and have watched him atleast in 10 games this season. Thats why I'm sure he's not a good fit on the leafs blue line. Your more then welcome to disagree with me, but you need to stop throwing out statements about people and their supposed ignorance of a player when you really have no clue about said people.

I mean you are making claims that show a real lack of understanding of the player, so logically I would think you are ignorant to who he actually is since you are so confident in your opinion of him.

You claim he is bad defensively yet he is 5th in defensive WAR, 60th in CA/60, and 64th in xGA/60. (that is out of 294 defensemen)

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I mean you are making claims that show a real lack of understanding of the player, so logically I would think you are ignorant to who he actually is since you are so confident in your opinion of him.

You claim he is bad defensively yet he is 5th in defensive WAR, 60th in CA/60, and 64th in xGA/60. (that is out of 294 defensemen)

Ok let me make this as plain as I can. Toronto needs a physical crease clearing defensive defenseman who if necessary can drop the gloves and handle big forwards and an aggressive forecheck. Does Severson match that criteria, I'd say no. Just out of curiosity though what do you believe Severson would return from any team at the deadline ?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Ok let me make this as plain as I can. Toronto needs a physical crease clearing defensive defenseman who if necessary can drop the gloves and handle big forwards and an aggressive forecheck. Does Severson match that criteria, I'd say no. Just out of curiosity though what do you believe Severson would return from any team at the deadline ?

I don't agree with that analysis, Toronto could benefit from a "physical crease clearing defensive defenseman who if necessary can drop the gloves and handle big forwards and an aggressive forecheck." like Chiarot on their 3rd pair but they in a much bigger need of a clear upgrade on the 2nd pair over Justin Holl.

As for his value, I would say it's a bit less than what Muzzin returned a few years back, with retention I would say it's about the same. If I was New Jersey I would probably ask for a 1st and Neimela as the base along with taking one of Holl or Dermott for cap reasons. I do not see any circumstance where Toronto moves Liljegren though

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I don't agree with that analysis, Toronto could benefit from a "physical crease clearing defensive defenseman who if necessary can drop the gloves and handle big forwards and an aggressive forecheck." like Chiarot on their 3rd pair but they in a much bigger need of a clear upgrade on the 2nd pair over Justin Holl.

As for his value, I would say it's a bit less than what Muzzin returned a few years back, with retention I would say it's about the same. If I was New Jersey I would probably ask for a 1st and Neimela as the base along with taking one of Holl or Dermott for cap reasons. I do not see any circumstance where Toronto moves Liljegren though

I dont see Toronto moving Niemela either. Also both Holl and Dermott have positive value at their cap hits so they would not be the ones going the other way to balance cap. I just don't believe the leafs and Devils are a fit in regards to trading.

 

[ACC1224]

I dont see Toronto moving Niemela either. Also both Holl and Dermott have positive value at their cap hits so they would not be the ones going the other way to balance cap. I just don't believe the leafs and Devils are a fit in regards to trading.

Can you explain the bolded?
Not seeing how it makes sense when Holl is overpaid and Dermott is fairly paid.