TSN: Serious team?

[Evilhomer]

That's part of sports.. you can be great, and get some bad luck and lose... it's just part of the game.. but if you play right, and know how to dominate, losing in the first round is the exception, not the rule... More often than not, the teams that play right, know how to win... will win... not always, but most of the time. Those that don't, won't...

Probably best then that you not dig into Boston's playoff record in the last three or four years. Since the Cup final five years ago they haven't exactly dominated in the playoffs despite all that regular season winning. Some might say that they don't know how to win when it counts.

 

[andora]

for me this is complete BS. Screw stats, highlite goals and fancy plays, if this team worked it's ass off and lost every game I'd enjoy it more, most of sports is watching the way a team competes regardless of outcome..........

i remember mccabe and corson blocking shots

i cant remember any of marners goals

 

[Evilhomer]

do you a quick little nod and a small grunt after clicking reply - i just picture it thats all

 

[SprDaVE]

for me this is complete BS. Screw stats, highlite goals and fancy plays, if this team worked it's ass off and lost every game I'd enjoy it more, most of sports is watching the way a team competes regardless of outcome..........

I disagree. You'd be the first here to complain they aren't winning, and belittle the effort. But hey, if you say so. I've been here long enough to know otherwise.

I love it when people point to Florida as some shining example to follow. I don't remember seeing these comments a couple of nights ago when they rolled over and died against Winnipeg. But I guess you buck all statistical odds by winning something like 9 straight overtime games in the playoffs and all of a sudden you are a serious team. If the Leafs win tonight, will Toronto be more serious than Florida?

What matters is how they finish the season and how they do in the playoffs. Everything else is just the ride.

 

[rumman]

I disagree. You'd be the first here to complain they aren't winning, and belittle the effort. But hey, if you say so. I've been here long enough to know otherwise.



What matters is how they finish the season and how they do in the playoffs. Everything else is just the ride.

more BS, and from a monitor no less..........

 

[Fogelhund]

Its right in the Ownership name.

MLSE = Maple Leafs Sports & Entertainment.

A sports franchise designed for entertainment purposes mainly with winning an afterthought,

Are you not entertained watching star players like Matthews, Marner, Nylander skating around in Leafs jerseys? Mission accomplished if you invest your time and $$ in viewing them.

Winning a championship would be nice, but hey no big deal if the Leafs are an early or easy out each playoffs at least they have star players in the line-up to cheer for. What you pay them even if it impacts team competitiveness is not the biggest concern here.

Under Leafs current management MLSE might as well stand for "Makes Losing Seem Expected" and makes the slogan "We Can and We Will" essentially prophetic in nature .

Has what we seen this year been entertaining?

 

[Nineteen67]

Probably best then that you not dig into Boston's playoff record in the last three or four years. Since the Cup final five years ago they haven't exactly dominated in the playoffs despite all that regular season winning. Some might say that they don't know how to win when it counts.

In the past 7 yrs they’ve had 3 1st round exits, 2 second round exits, 1 third round exit and 1 SCF exit in game 7.

Pretty darned good. If the Leafs were to accomplish that in the next 7 years most would be happy.

 

[Fogelhund]

Probably best then that you not dig into Boston's playoff record in the last three or four years. Since the Cup final five years ago they haven't exactly dominated in the playoffs despite all that regular season winning. Some might say that they don't know how to win when it counts.

Last five years, they've won 5 rounds. We've won ONE.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Probably best then that you not dig into Boston's playoff record in the last three or four years. Since the Cup final five years ago they haven't exactly dominated in the playoffs despite all that regular season winning. Some might say that they don't know how to win when it counts.

In the past 7 yrs they’ve had 3 1st round exits, 2 second round exits, 1 third round exit and 1 SCF exit in game 7.

Pretty darned good. If the Leafs were to accomplish that in the next 7 years most would be happy.

7 years with those results would be an epic run for the Leafs considering we haven't been even as far as the third round in the last 20 years, and it's been more than 50 years since we made the finals.

Back over to you @Evilhomer, feel free to go on some more about how we're guaranteed to take over 1st place in January.

 

[Nineteen67]

7 years with those results would be an epic run for the Leafs considering we haven't been even as far as the third round in the last 20 years, and it's been more than 50 years since we made the finals.

Back over to you @Evilhomer, feel free to go on some more about how we're guaranteed to take over 1st place in January.

When I think of the Gilmour and Sundin yrs I think of two successful eras. Both teams came up a bit short but they gave themselves a chance.

 

[mikeyz]

https://x.com/spittinchiclets/status/1729578792270590083?s=20

I will take them seriously if they sign Perry right now

7 years with those results would be an epic run for the Leafs considering we haven't been even as far as the third round in the last 20 years, and it's been more than 50 years since we made the finals.

Back over to you @Evilhomer, feel free to go on some more about how we're guaranteed to take over 1st place in January.

January???? Why not December.

Ohhhh @Evilhomer You're not going pessimistic on us now are you????

 

[hullsy47]

Hayes says the Leafs are not a serious team right now... what say you?

It's obvious to everyone except most maple leaf fans
Too many 11 milli9n dollar guys not enuff 6 million dollar guts

 

[Gary Nylund]

When I think of the Gilmour and Sundin yrs I think of two successful eras. Both teams came up a bit short but they gave themselves a chance.

Yeah it's pretty sad that those were the two teams that had the most playoff success during the last 40 years. It is fun to win at least a couple of rounds though, isn't it? But those teams fought hard, you rarely got the feeling that the teams were capable of a lot more, more often or not I felt like they played to their potential.

The Sittler era was the same, upsetting NYI was my first enduring happy playoff memory and though they lost the next round in 4 straight, they battled their butts off against one of the greatest teams all time and those were hard fought games!

This group has bushels of talent, but the compete level just doesn't seem to be there.

 

[Evilhomer]

Last five years, they've won 5 rounds. We've won ONE.

In other words, their playoff futility is not far off from that of the Leafs. But, like Toronto, they keep bringing back the same core of players with fringe guys around the edges. It makes them no more or less "serious" than the Leafs, because being serious about winning is irrelevant unless you actually win. Like the Bruins, the Leafs have to prove that they can win.

 

[Fogelhund]

In other words, their playoff futility is not far off from that of the Leafs. But, like Toronto, they keep bringing back the same core of players with fringe guys around the edges. It makes them no more or less "serious" than the Leafs, because being serious about winning is irrelevant unless you actually win. Like the Bruins, the Leafs have to prove that they can win.

I mean... if you can't see the difference, you can't. Cheers.

 

[Gary Nylund]

In other words, their playoff futility is not far off from that of the Leafs. But, like Toronto, they keep bringing back the same core of players with fringe guys around the edges. It makes them no more or less "serious" than the Leafs, because being serious about winning is irrelevant unless you actually win. Like the Bruins, the Leafs have to prove that they can win.

 

[Trapper]

Yeah it's pretty sad that those were the two teams that had the most playoff success during the last 40 years. It is fun to win at least a couple of rounds though, isn't it? But those teams fought hard, you rarely got the feeling that the teams were capable of a lot more, more often or not I felt like they played to their potential.

The Sittler era was the same, upsetting NYI was my first enduring happy playoff memory and though they lost the next round in 4 straight, they battled their butts off against one of the greatest teams all time and those were hard fought games!

This group has bushels of talent, but the compete level just doesn't seem to be there.

Eichel won the Cup with Vegas.
Did he suddenly get better than Matthews/McDavid? Not likely.
However the “core” is a very different mentality player makeup. Hard work, 2-way and grit/intensity in that makeup.
Everything that is lacking here.
Even if Tkachuk only put up 75 points in Florida, his DNA and attitude to compete is much different than outgoing Huberdeau. That has a big impact on the way others have been playing and thinking.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

I don't like agreeing with Hayes on principle, so I won't.

I don't even know who half these guys are that get quoted here or why their words carry any weight.

In this case it has sparked some interesting discussion here but the topic was due for some attention anyway based on the optics of our performance to date.

Anyway, carry on dudes and dudettes. I'm enjoying the discussion.

 

[Evilhomer]

I mean... if you can't see the difference, you can't. Cheers.

I see two teams that haven't won anything. History will point to a Bruins team that lost in one of the biggest upsets in the sport's history. But I don't think we will hear anyone claim that Boston lost because they weren't serious enough.

At the end of all of this, what everyone is really trying to say is that Toronto is not playing well enough right now, but the market needs its daily dose of manufactured drama, so here we are. Maybe the Leafs can sign Corey Perry to a min deal now so that we can have some real drama.

 

[andora]

You guys keep responding to him

 

[Darcy Tucker]

I don't even know who half these guys are that get quoted here or why their words carry any weight.

You don't know who Bryan Hayes is from Overdrive??

 

[colchar]

I say it is an unbelievably immature and immeasurable comment to make.

No, it really isn't.

How exactly does one define and judge "seriousness"

Teams that play hard, play to win, take care of business, play full games, and put games away when they have the chance.

And you damned well that is what he meant.

It's a comment by and for people with limited attention spans who can't see past what happened two days ago. This team seemed pretty serious when it beat Tampa last season

Who gives a damn what they did last year?

 

[Hellcat]

Yeah it's pretty sad that those were the two teams that had the most playoff success during the last 40 years. It is fun to win at least a couple of rounds though, isn't it? But those teams fought hard, you rarely got the feeling that the teams were capable of a lot more, more often or not I felt like they played to their potential.

The Sittler era was the same, upsetting NYI was my first enduring happy playoff memory and though they lost the next round in 4 straight, they battled their butts off against one of the greatest teams all time and those were hard fought games!

This group has bushels of talent, but the compete level just doesn't seem to be there.

I keep going back to its an OHL effort on a NHL team. In the OHL skill alone would get you the W, in the NHL, teams who rely on skill alone and get out worked, will get beat most of the time. I'm sure Mitch, Matty and Willie are somewhat confused why their elite skills gets mediocre results, they probably never had to out compete their opponents in the amateur ranks, skill was king. Winning hurts.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I see two teams that haven't won anything. History will point to a Bruins team that lost in one of the biggest upsets in the sport's history. But I don't think we will hear anyone claim that Boston lost because they weren't serious enough.

At the end of all of this, what everyone is really trying to say is that Toronto is not playing well enough right now, but the market needs its daily dose of manufactured drama, so here we are. Maybe the Leafs can sign Corey Perry to a min deal now so that we can have some real drama.

Winning a playoff round isn't nothing. Every game means something actually, this narrative that 31 teams fail every year and only winning the cup means anything is nothing but an excuse so people like you can feel better about this sad group of losers masquerading as a team.

Boston has done a lot more winning than we have over the last decade or so, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Hellcat]

I say it is an unbelievably immature and immeasurable comment to make. How exactly does one define and judge "seriousness", and how is a random sports reporter who has never played at a comparable level believe himself qualified to make that determination? For the youngsters out there, it's a dumb hot take by a fanboy who is frustrated after seeing two losses. Are the Oilers more "serious" after winning a couple of games in a row? Is Boston less serious after losing three in a row? It's a comment by and for people with limited attention spans who can't see past what happened two days ago. This team seemed pretty serious when it beat Tampa last season, but I guess by this definition they were less serious when they lost to Florida. Makes perfect sense.

Toronto didn't beat Tampa, Tampa beat themselves. Toronto should have won the year prior and lost last year. With this talent we should have been to the East finals the last 5 years running, the team even said that winning the 1st round was a massive achievement... does that sound like a serious team... all the talent in the world and one round is a massive achievement.

How do you define it? type "define seriousness" into the search bar ..you're welcome...

serious​

adjective​

se·ri·ous ˈsir-ē-əs

Synonyms of serious
1
: thoughtful or subdued in appearance or manner : SOBER
a quiet, serious girl


2
a
: requiring much thought or work
serious study

b
: of or relating to a matter of importance
a serious play


3
a
: not joking or trifling : being in earnest
a serious question

b
archaic : PIOUS
c
: deeply interested : DEVOTED
a serious musician


4
a
: not easily answered or solved
serious objections

b
: having important or dangerous possible consequences
a serious injury


5
: excessive or impressive in quality, quantity, extent, or degree
serious stereo equipment

making serious money

serious drinking


seriousness noun