Pre-Game Talk: Series discussion: NYR vs MTL

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honestly **** the habs and their fans, they're all cocky. Their whole defense relies around subban and yet they say they have better defense? LOL and honestly I'm predicting nash comes alive this series and we end it in 6 games. and nash will have at least 4 goals. BOOK IT

If Rick Nash scores 4 goals this series, I will buy a Nash jersey at the first opportunity I get :laugh:.
 
Since we're on the topic: I've liked Moore in my viewings. How's he fared of late?

Moore's a guy with a lot of tools but I'm not sure he'll ever put them all together. He is young though.

He skates really well, has a hard shot and can play solid defense and jump into the rush at opportune times.

However sometimes he just doesn't seem to be seeing the ice well or thinking the game well. He'll get out of position or lose his man when he's playing poorly and look a little lost, and while he seems like he should provide a good level of offense, it never materializes.

In the end I think he's good as a 3rd pairing guy that doesn't consistently face off against the other teams best players, and I hope he can continue to improve, just not sure how much better he'll get. If he could learn to skate the puck out of his own zone better and protect it better he'd be a much better player, but he sometimes loses it too easily and get stuck in a bad situation.

Anyways, all this talk about the Habs D being slow, Philly's D was also slow but they still gave the Rangers some trouble when they were able to just stay in position and prevent the Rangers from getting any fast transition chances. It really depends on how the Habs handle the Rangers transition and how well they can keep the Rangers to the outside. If the Rangers can get position in the offensive zone and start moving the puck around quickly they can open up holes, but that can be easier said than done.

One thing to note IMO is that Boston relied a lot on point shots and running the puck through their D men on offense, and Montreal shut that down pretty well. The Rangers don't really rely on their defensemen to be threats from the point and are content to have them dump it back deep to continue the cycle if necessary, rather than needing to get a lane for a huge slapshot. Will be interesting to see how the Habs adjust.

Their incentive in the last series wasn't limited to wanting to get to the next round. It was founded on a personal level. I don't think that is overstating the effect that them playing Boston had.

I think there is something to this. Boston vs Montreal has been hyped as a huge thing all the time and with the Bruins being called the best team in the east and it being talked about like they'd walk all over Montreal, I think that got Montreal up and ready to play. It was a bit of a grudge match and sometimes those things get players up and ready to go in a way they otherwise wouldn't be. None of that exists between the Rangers and Habs though, so you *might* see a bit of a drop in energy level from the Habs, but it's not something I'd count on.
 
honestly **** the habs and their fans, they're all cocky. Their whole defense relies around subban and yet they say they have better defense? LOL and honestly I'm predicting nash comes alive this series and we end it in 6 games. and nash will have at least 4 goals. BOOK IT

You're the only one in the main board thread acting cocky. Their fans have made a few statements that are false, but not cocky.

Lol seriously? Milbury ***** on the Pens constantly.

Frankly, Milbury is the best analyst I have seen so far these playoffs and it isn't even close.

And Jones is a Flyer, I seriously doubt he likes Pittsburgh.

Completely agree. Milbury is extremely fair and gives credit when it's due. He completely destroyed Crosby in this series. I don't see how anyone could call him biased. Does he dislike the Rangers, yep, but he is unbelievably fair in his analysis. I thoroughly enjoy him, especially compared to JR.
 
Montreals is OK. They talk about Bealieu being more of a threat and a better dman than Klein or Moore. He played 7 minutes last game. Obviously there is a lot of faith in him. Georges is alright. Mike Weaver? Alexei Emelin? Outside of Subban & Markov its extremely unimpressive and very average.

I haven't read anyone say that Beaulieu is better than Klein or Moore. Possible that someone has, but it's certainly not consensus. For what it's worth, I like Beaulieu a lot. He's played incredibly effectively, albeit in limited minutes, as you highlighted. But an effective 7 minutes is still important. Worth noting that Beaulieu was injected in the lineup in game 6 elimination game, after not having played an NHL game since pre-Olympics.

Weaver's effective. He's a very sound bottom-pairing defenseman.

Emelin may not be impressive. I think he struggles at times. He's got mobility issues. However, he does throw big hits, battles well and effectively, does well in limiting the opposition's cycle, can match-up against opposition top lines (as he's done in the playoffs thus far), and can make a good first pass.

In short, he's a shut-down, physical defenseman who can move the puck decently. Impressive? Probably not, but certainly effective as a #4.
 
Montreals is OK. They talk about Bealieu being more of a threat and a better dman than Klein or Moore. He played 7 minutes last game. Obviously there is a lot of faith in him. Georges is alright. Mike Weaver? Alexei Emelin? Outside of Subban & Markov its extremely unimpressive and very average.

Bealieu gets very sheltered minutes and basically just doesn't screw up as bad as Murray so he's an improvement there, but still...it's very unlikely that the series is going to be decided by a 3rd pairing defenseman getting 7 minutes per night.

Habs have a solid top 4 but it would be markedly worse without Subban...they'd lose a TON of mobility and puck moving ability. However, they do have Subban, so oh well.
 
Montreal had a tough, physical series with Boston. Lucic brutalized Emelin. The Rangers have to continue pounding certain players. The Rangers aren't Boston but they did a very good job into the Penguins heads. Finish what Boston started. That 3rd pair with Weaver and Bealeau are vulnerable. Boston's D was weak without Seidenberg, Ference and McQuaid. Bartkowski sucks. Miller was OK. Krug had his moments. Chara. Boychuk. Hamilton. That's it. Rangers D is better. Pittsburgh was something like 6 for 20 on the PP against Columbus. The Rangers didn't give them much. Take away Subban shot.
 
Moore's a guy with a lot of tools but I'm not sure he'll ever put them all together. He is young though.

He skates really well, has a hard shot and can play solid defense and jump into the rush at opportune times.

However sometimes he just doesn't seem to be seeing the ice well or thinking the game well. He'll get out of position or lose his man when he's playing poorly and look a little lost, and while he seems like he should provide a good level of offense, it never materializes.

In the end I think he's good as a 3rd pairing guy that doesn't consistently face off against the other teams best players, and I hope he can continue to improve, just not sure how much better he'll get. If he could learn to skate the puck out of his own zone better and protect it better he'd be a much better player, but he sometimes loses it too easily and get stuck in a bad situation.

Anyways, all this talk about the Habs D being slow, Philly's D was also slow but they still gave the Rangers some trouble when they were able to just stay in position and prevent the Rangers from getting any fast transition chances. It really depends on how the Habs handle the Rangers transition and how well they can keep the Rangers to the outside. If the Rangers can get position in the offensive zone and start moving the puck around quickly they can open up holes, but that can be easier said than done.

One thing to note IMO is that Boston relied a lot on point shots and running the puck through their D men on offense, and Montreal shut that down pretty well. The Rangers don't really rely on their defensemen to be threats from the point and are content to have them dump it back deep to continue the cycle if necessary, rather than needing to get a lane for a huge slapshot. Will be interesting to see how the Habs adjust.

Thanks for the write-up on Moore.

Montreal's D pinches a fair bit. That's good, because they generally make good decisions in the neutral and offensive zone, but it can sometimes lead to odd-man rushes. Particularly since some of the slower defense is the most inclined to pinch (notably, Markov).
 
I may be a day late and a dollar short on this one, but for anyone who is interested.....

KatieStrangESPN Katie Strang

#NYR #MTL St. Louis and family chose to move the funeral to Sunday after learning ECF schedule.

KatieStrangESPN Katie Strang

#NYR Rangers will attend Marty St Louis' mother's funeral as a team on Sunday.
 
Their incentive in the last series wasn't limited to wanting to get to the next round. It was founded on a personal level. I don't think that is overstating the effect that them playing Boston had.
The reason that they beat Boston was not mainly due to some sort of motivation. Their goalie was very good and they played better.
 
Montreal had a tough, physical series with Boston. Lucic brutalized Emelin. The Rangers have to continue pounding certain players. The Rangers aren't Boston but they did a very good job into the Penguins heads. Finish what Boston started. That 3rd pair with Weaver and Bealeau are vulnerable. Boston's D was weak without Seidenberg, Ference and McQuaid. Bartkowski sucks. Miller was OK. Krug had his moments. Chara. Boychuk. Hamilton. That's it. Rangers D is better. Pittsburgh was something like 6 for 20 on the PP against Columbus. The Rangers didn't give them much. Take away Subban shot.

Chara was terrible as well. Boston's D was a mess.

Kreider needs to be the guy getting in there and laying heavy hits on the Canadiens defensemen every time the puck is put into their zone.
 
Relax guys, we have eliminated two very tough teams...the Pens and the Flyers. So the Habs should be a piece of cake, we're gonna crush them.

We're on our way to the SCF, because thats Hank's will :yo:
 
AV says the entire team will attend France St. Louis' funeral Sunday in Montreal "hopefully after we play a good game the Saturday before"

Just saw this was posted already but whatever
 
I may be a day late and a dollar short on this one, but for anyone who is interested.....

KatieStrangESPN Katie Strang

#NYR #MTL St. Louis and family chose to move the funeral to Sunday after learning ECF schedule.

KatieStrangESPN Katie Strang

#NYR Rangers will attend Marty St Louis' mother's funeral as a team on Sunday.

Assuming that his family is Catholic, then I assume that the funeral would take place Sunday evening as Catholic churches typically will not do a funeral on a Sunday. Sunday evening I think would be OK since it's in anticipation of Monday.
 
This will first of all be a huge goalie battle, biggest challenge for Hank in his career so far.

The Olympic gold and silver medalists meet again. As you know Price won that one with a shut out, while Hank allowed 3. But this time Hank has better defense in front of him.

Theres no such thing as a goalie battle.

I assure you that Lundqvist will not come into contact with anything Carey Price does.
 
Theres no such thing as a goalie battle.

I assure you that Lundqvist will not come into contact with anything Carey Price does.

I don't think he expects Hank and Price to don armor, mount a destrier and fight to the death. Just like I am pretty sure a pitchers duel does not involve pistols or epees.

It would be a lot cooler if they did.
 
“@stevezipay: #NYR asked NHL if sked could be changed for planned St. Louis funeral Saturday. League declined to accomodate. Family switched days.”

Gary Bettman ladies and gentleman…
 
“@stevezipay: #NYR asked NHL if sked could be changed for planned St. Louis funeral Saturday. League declined to accomodate. Family switched days.â€

Gary Bettman ladies and gentleman…

It really is disgusting, but not AT ALL surprising...

$$$$$ business will always trump compassion/sympathy/humanity/the right thing to do
 
“@stevezipay: #NYR asked NHL if sked could be changed for planned St. Louis funeral Saturday. League declined to accomodate. Family switched days.â€

Gary Bettman ladies and gentleman…

In fairness, that's a bit much to ask imo.
 
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