Pre-Game Talk: Series discussion: NYR vs MTL

[Mike8]

Habs fans actually think they have a better defense than us.

I'd probably give the Rangers the edge, but I don't think it's laughable.

 

[Mike8]

Right, because proper spelling is directly correlated to the accuracy of a scouting report. Glad we cleared that up.

Well, it's tougher to take someone seriously if they struggle with things like that, no? If I say I watch the Ragners 20-30 times a season and insist that they're called the Ragners, you'd find it a little peculiar, I'd imagine.

Motivation is a big part of any team's success. The Canadiens talked a lot about finally earning respect from the Bruins. That's the big bully that never gave them the time of day. They used that for motivation to come together as a team and play that much harder. The Rangers had a similar phenomenon when a player on their team suffered a tragedy.

They're a relatively inexperienced team going this far into the playoffs who doesn't have the emotional motivation that they had against the Bruins.

I don't think this is relevant. You yourself mentioned the Rangers don't have any emotional motivation against the Canadiens, while the club did against the Penguins. It ought to work the same way.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Well, it's tougher to take someone seriously if they struggle with things like that, no? If I say I watch the Ragners 20-30 times a season and insist that they're called the Ragners, you'd find it a little peculiar, I'd imagine.



I don't think this is relevant. You yourself mentioned the Rangers don't have any emotional motivation against the Canadiens, while the club did against the Penguins. It ought to work the same way.

Well I don't really find anything you say to be relevant either. So there's that. Let's call it a day. I'm tired of arguing with you about semantics that really don't have anything to do with anything.

 

[Thirty One]

Have we ever beaten habs in playoffs?

The last time they faced each other, 96. Montreal won the first two games in New York, but the Rangers won the next four games.

 

[kingnashty61*]

honestly **** the habs and their fans, they're all cocky. Their whole defense relies around subban and yet they say they have better defense? LOL and honestly I'm predicting nash comes alive this series and we end it in 6 games. and nash will have at least 4 goals. BOOK IT

 

[RGY]

The key to this series? Stay out of the box. We are the better, more balanced team. 5 on 5 hockey should lead to our success.

Keep out of the box.

This x100.

This is the key. The Rangers IMO without looking at the stats, are a more disciplined team compared to the Bruins. The Rangers have been physical these playoffs but they don't play with the type of edginess that Boston plays with which put them in the box a lot. Marchand took a lot of penalties in that series. The Rangers didn't give up too many power plays to pittsburgh and when they did they were ready. Pittsburgh has more talent on their PP than MTL regardless of the playoff stats this year.

After 2 rounds, montreal and new york are the 2 least penalized teams.

 

[Mike8]

Well I don't really find anything you say to be relevant either. So there's that. Let's call it a day. I'm tired of arguing with you about semantics that really don't have anything to do with anything.

Fair enough, but it's not semantics. The topic was brought up by you, after all. And you were keen to apply some logic on Montreal being disadvantaged by a lack of emotional motivation that you weren't prepared to apply to the Rangers. My point was simply: I don't think that's a factor, but if it is, then it applies to both teams.

 

[Giglio NYR15]

Rangers Report‏@rangersreport·1m
First 4: Sat, Mon, Thurs, Sat. Shocked its not wednesday. But interesting

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I'd probably give the Rangers the edge, but I don't think it's laughable.

Yes it is very laughable.. our D core is top 3 in the league

 

[broadwayblue]

Well, it's tougher to take someone seriously if they struggle with things like that, no? If I say I watch the Ragners 20-30 times a season and insist that they're called the Ragners, you'd find it a little peculiar, I'd imagine.

Perhaps one's analysis comes across as less polished, but it doesn't effect the accuracy. We've been called far worse in most of the other forums...intentionally I might add.

 

[True Blue]

The TOI last game was roughly 22:00 for everyone in the Top 4, and 13:00 for Moore-Klein. It was the most glorious thing I've ever seen.

Balance is something that AV learned from Boston. And has put to good use.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

This x100.

This is the key. The Rangers IMO without looking at the stats, are a more disciplined team compared to the Bruins. The Rangers have been physical these playoffs but they don't play with the type of edginess that Boston plays with which put them in the box a lot. Marchand took a lot of penalties in that series. The Rangers didn't give up too many power plays to pittsburgh and when they did they were ready. Pittsburgh has more talent on their PP than MTL regardless of the playoff stats this year.

I think they took 20 penalties against the Pens? Pens were 1/20 on that?

That's a shade under 3 penalties, on average, per game. That seems manageable against the Habs. Boston was taking 3-5 penalties a game. Undisciplined hockey.

 

[Mike8]

Yes it is very laughable.. our D core is top 3 in the league

Sure. I don't know where it ranks exactly (since there isn't an official ranking), but the Rangers' D is very good. But Montreal's is very good, too. As mentioned, I'd probably put the Rangers' ahead, but that doesn't mean Montreal's is bad.

 

[Mike8]

Perhaps one's analysis comes across as less polished, but it doesn't effect the accuracy. We've been called far worse in most of the other forums...intentionally I might add.

Fair point indeed. I actually like this Ranger club, so no disrespect from me here.

 

[Ail]

Balance is something that AV learned from Boston. And has put to good use.

How do you know where he learned anything?

 

[True Blue]

Motivation is a big part of any team's success.

Only to a point. And let's face it, if you lack motivation when being a series away from the Cup finals, there are other issues at stake.

Goaltending, there is where the series gets decided. Each goalie is perfectly capable of standing on his head and stealing a series while the team in front of him plays not as well as the other.

 

[True Blue]

How do you know where he learned anything?

It has been written and talked about ad naseum. If your view is that he did not learn the lesson the hard way when his team lost to Boston, that is your choice.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Klein

vs

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Beaulieu-Weaver

They're close, but I take our D corp 9 times out of 10. I'll take Girardi over Gorges, Staal over Markov, and Stralman over Emelin. Subban at the moment has the edge on McD, but McD on his game (which he has been the past 3 games) closes that gap. Weaver is better than Klein, and Moore/Beaulieu are mostly irrelevant.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

I give Montreal the edge in pregame ceremonies its awesome.

It's ridiculously overdone and borderline idiotic.

 

[Miamipuck]

If you look at all 3 (Offense, Defense and Goaltending) groups none are really far out of line from one another. Both have very good to great units and plenty of depth. It's an evenly matched series.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Fair enough, but it's not semantics. The topic was brought up by you, after all. And you were keen to apply some logic on Montreal being disadvantaged by a lack of emotional motivation that you weren't prepared to apply to the Rangers. My point was simply: I don't think that's a factor, but if it is, then it applies to both teams.

My point was to say that Montreal's play against Boston is inflated because of an emotional incentive.

My beliefs are that the Rangers are the better team. Without the same emotional effect, I do not believe Montreal can take us in a 7 game series.

Furthermore, what you say is simply not true. Emotion is subjective. The effect is completely different for every person and every team. So no, I do not think that Montreal lacking the same emotion for this series is as significant as the Rangers lacking emotion. They likely will need it more than the Rangers to get past them.

I'm not saying the Rangers can win without playing passionate hockey, but I am saying that for Montreal's success, emotion is much more of a factor than it is for the Rangers.

 

[chosen]

Habs fans actually think they have a better defense than us.

They have 2 very good offensive dmen but Rangers have edge defensively.

Toss up.

 

[Mike8]

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Klein

vs

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Beaulieu-Weaver

They're close, but I take our D corp 9 times out of 10. I'll take Girardi over Gorges, Staal over Markov, and Stralman over Emelin. Subban at the moment has the edge on McD, but McD on his game (which he has been the past 3 games) closes that gap. Weaver is better than Klein, and Moore/Beaulieu are mostly irrelevant.

I'd probably rank it similarly. It's tough to just match one to one like that, though.

For example, you take Staal over Markov. I do too. But Markov's got these crazy good stretch passes that can break open a game. And he's pretty solid fundamentally. His real flaw is his skating now. And that's compounded by being paired with Emelin, who's also a bad skater. If they're caught out on the ice against BPZ, that's a little tougher for them. They'll manage, as they did against Boston (which can be a quick team, too), but it's not ideal.

So that's why I think it's tough to look at players 1 to 1 like that. The pairing matters. The opposition matters. The situation matters, as you know. And the two defenses bring some different strengths to the table.

Since we're on the topic: I've liked Moore in my viewings. How's he fared of late?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Markov and Emelin are both really slow.

 

[chosen]

honestly **** the habs and their fans, they're all cocky and apparently super stoned. Their whole defense relies around subban and yet they say they have better defense? LOL and honestly I'm predicting nash comes alive this series and we end it in 6 games. and nash will have at least 4 goals. BOOK IT

Calling someone cocky and saying Book it is ironically funny.