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GDT: Sens Vs Sabres, 7:00 TV: TSN5 Radio: TSN 1200 AM

Dean Evason is not an elite coach! The man has never won anything :laugh: He lost in the 1st round 3 season in a row and then the Wild fired him last season after starting the season 5-10-4. Yeah is an elite coach alright!


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: come on the man has an 8-15 record in the playoffs and while with Minnesota he never got past the 1st round!!! What the hell are you talking about getting the most out of his players???
Minnesota just tuned him out. His style is like that, at some point the players are going to tire of him. The coach they've replaced him with has never made it out of the first round either in 8-9 years of NHL coaching.

The fact that they've rebounded so well this quickly is a testament to how good a coach Dean Evason is. Their team play and structure is excellent, they didn't just learn how to do it this fast under Hynes.

This Minnesota team has no right being this competitive, they've been handcuffed for years by $15M in dead cap with the Suter and Parise contracts. Imagine having a record of 134-63-23 while essentially having a team spending to the cap floor. The guy didn't even inherit any high end cheap ELC talent to help offset that penalty.

The moment Evason became available, I desperately wanted him as our coach. It's become a meme here in HF Ottawa, but we missed the boat.
 
Team scoring has completely dried up. That isn't on the goalies.

We have multiple problems at the moment and that is why things seem so desperate.

Scoring 5 on 5 has been an issue since November. With the specialty teams laying an egg, we have nothing to hang our hat on.
All fair points, however

- Sens power-play is ranked 8th overall/ ranks 6th overall in power-play goals scored ...shows the teams isn't impotent when it comes to scoring....when a team is on a power-play playing defence /goaltending take a back seat
- despite getting subpar goal-tending for many games the Sens GA is ranked 10th lowest overall, however the penalty-kill is ranked 24th (worst) overall (goalies are often the teams best PKillers)
- despite having a power-play in the top10 the Sens GF ranks 23rd lowest overall...makes you wonder if the reason behind it has something to do with the team not playing loose / with any confidence since they cant trust the goalie
 
problem for Green is the team is playing kinda well outside of not scoring, but he can’t DJ Smith this thing for the rest of the season and play the moral victories - one more bounce, one more whistle and just a bit healthier card all season because Sens fans won’t digest that they will vomit that up.
 
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We have almost no scoring from dmen 9 goals all year is at the bottom of league in team dmen scoring .

Below usual goal scoring by players this year.
These 3 are snake bitten.

Stutzle 12 goals ( 2 goals last 17 games)
Pinto 6 goals on pace to get 25 points.
Perron 0 goals only 9 games played**
 
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It is just a slump. 3-4 happen to every year and to every team.

the next 2-3 games will be key. I fully expect a bounce back. I can see a 2-1, 1-1-1 scenario and all will be well.

The Sens have now gone through 3 such slumps (and 2 hot streaks). They are pretty much finished with them. I can see the remaining 41 games being far more balanced and results being a consistent 4 Points for every 3 games played.

Take a real close look at NHL trends. Almost inevitably a pattern of; slump, hot streak and extended flat period circulate for every team, throughout the season. And in 3-4 cycles of 15-20 games.
 
It is just a slump. 3-4 happen to every year and to every team.

the next 2-3 games will be key. I fully expect a bounce back. I can see a 2-1, 1-1-1 scenario and all will be well.

The Sens have now gone through 3 such slumps (and 2 hot streaks). They are pretty much finished with them. I can see the remaining 41 games being far more balanced and results being a consistent 4 Points for every 3 games played.

Take a real close look at NHL trends. Almost inevitably a pattern of; slump, hot streak and extended flat period circulate for every team, throughout the season. And in 3-4 cycles of 15-20 games.
They are not playing at .666% for the rest of the season
Only 5 teams have done that this season so far VGK, WAS,WIN,LA,MINN
We are 17th in the league not top 3
 
They are not playing at .666% for the rest of the season
Only 5 teams have done that this season so far VGK, WAS,WIN,LA,MINN
We are 17th in the league not top 3
Alex... a consistent 4 p for every 3 games, does not mean no exception. There will be the odd 3 in 3, or maybe 2 in 3.

What I don't see is 0 for 3.

I can see the next 41 games, thus 13.7 sets of 3 to be
8 sets at 4 p
3 sets at 3 p
2.7 sets at 2 p

and so 46-47 points. Or about 0.56-0.58 win ratio. That is more than possible. At present 15 teams are doing this good or better.

And that will get them to 87-88 points and comfortably in.
 
Team scoring has completely dried up. That isn't on the goalies.

We have multiple problems at the moment and that is why things seem so desperate.

Scoring 5 on 5 has been an issue since November. With the specialty teams laying an egg, we have nothing to hang our hat on.
You have to score to win but 2 goals on 5 shots is not the best way to motivate your team to play lose and score goals.
 
Alex... a consistent 4 p for every 3 games, does not mean no exception. There will be the odd 3 in 3, or maybe 2 in 3.

What I don't see is 0 for 3.

I can see the next 41 games, thus 13.7 sets of 3 to be
8 sets at 4 p
3 sets at 3 p
2.7 sets at 2 p

and so 46-47 points. Or about 0.56-0.58 win ratio. That is more than possible. At present 15 teams are doing this good or better.

And that will get them to 87-88 points and comfortably in.
Thanks for tuning down by A LOT
You said consistent .666 play
Now it's .570
First, according to you, they are finished with slumps and streaks (I don't know how you know that but anyway...)
Now they get in COMFORTABLY with 87 points
I think the right word is barely
 
These are the results that you will get season after season when you don't have any high end talent but half the roster is paid like superstars.

This Team is very loyal to its trend that is going on for past 3-4 years now



Get to the bottom of the league

Stay there or win a few games and get close to a wildcard spot

Start to losing again and end up in bottom 5

Go on a good stretch to finish the season just to get out of the basement

This. We even suck at sucking lol
 
Dean Evason is not an elite coach! The man has never won anything :laugh: He lost in the 1st round 3 season in a row and then the Wild fired him last season after starting the season 5-10-4. Yeah is an elite coach alright!


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: come on the man has an 8-15 record in the playoffs and while with Minnesota he never got past the 1st round!!! What the hell are you talking about getting the most out of his players???
He is man, the guy gets a lot out of players and gets them to the playoffs, his track record is miles better then Greeny
 
Home off a long road trip probably tried to do too much family stuff or exhale/relax. Stinky one. I predict they will be better next game.
 
I mean, they can't be worse, so I guess you're right.
Dorion built the 2017 team...except without Karl and Andy. No cap, no picks, no prospects, roster with holes and no way to fix them. I have an odd feeling that Staios really doesn't like the players that where here when he arrived, outside of Brady, Stu, Sandy and maybe Pinto. This includes whatever bodies are in the Ahl. If Norris, Bath, Greig and Chabot are all available it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
 
All fair points, however

- Sens power-play is ranked 8th overall/ ranks 6th overall in power-play goals scored ...shows the teams isn't impotent when it comes to scoring....when a team is on a power-play playing defence /goaltending take a back seat
- despite getting subpar goal-tending for many games the Sens GA is ranked 10th lowest overall, however the penalty-kill is ranked 24th (worst) overall (goalies are often the teams best PKillers)
- despite having a power-play in the top10 the Sens GF ranks 23rd lowest overall...makes you wonder if the reason behind it has something to do with the team not playing loose / with any confidence since they cant trust the goalie
The team has lost 6 of the last seven games. The “team" has not looked sharp in this stretch.

There’s far more than suspect goaltending that’s wrong. Last nights game was another example. The team has scored 8 goals in the last 7 games. Goalies don’t score goals.

There were some costly defensive mistakes last night. That’s been another issue.
 
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Those kind of performances are insulting. I'm a jaded Senators fan who has been to lots of games, but that was someone's first Senators game. A kid who got tickets for Christmas, a guy trying to impress his girlfriend by taking her there, etc.

Imagine being an excited 9 year old, telling all your friends that you got Senators tickets for Christmas, and then that's the game you go to.

Or you try to impress a girl by telling her that you're a "season seat member", you take her to your sick seats in 300s (Row J) and lecture her about how real fans sit up there because there isn't a bad seat in the house. Not only do you not get laid, she breaks up with you, because she is at a point where she is looking for something serious, and no man who pays $1368 a year for that could possibly be a reliable person.
 
lmao, the doomers are out in full force again

Please sell me positivity and enthusiasm, I have tried and almost "believed again" but this is the 8th season in a row we are going absolutely nowhere.

This team is boring as hell and they're not winning nearly enough

Apathy is getting closer and closer
 
All fair points, however

- Sens power-play is ranked 8th overall/ ranks 6th overall in power-play goals scored ...shows the teams isn't impotent when it comes to scoring....when a team is on a power-play playing defence /goaltending take a back seat
The teams PP has disappears for the last 10 games or whatever...8 total goals (all situations) in 9 games someone said? How about the PP lifts the team and they score a couple on a night the goalie may not be sharp?
- despite getting subpar goal-tending for many games the Sens GA is ranked 10th lowest overall, however the penalty-kill is ranked 24th (worst) overall (goalies are often the teams best PKillers)
By any measure, the PK has been awful. Cross crease passes and easy setups in the high slot is not on the goalie. Beer league guys could score on many of the set-ups we allow.
- despite having a power-play in the top10 the Sens GF ranks 23rd lowest overall...makes you wonder if the reason behind it has something to do with the team not playing loose / with any confidence since they cant trust the goalie
How does someone missing an open not, not getting a rebound, missing a breakaway, etc...have anything to do with the goalie? That is a total cop out and takes the onus off the top paid players on this team.

Our stars are not scoring and more disturbing, is we rarely look dangerous. The shot totals are inflated and don't represent good scoring opportunities.

Again, it is a mixture of things. There is no way this losing streak is just on the goalies - the entire team has looked bad.

You have to score to win but 2 goals on 5 shots is not the best way to motivate your team to play lose and score goals.
I need to watch, but from listening to the radio, the team seemed to be under siege and giving up good looks all over the place. Where the 2 goals both breakaway? Sure, you want a stop, but guys are good.

Where is the heart and the push back? We rolled over and laid an egg in the 2nd and then didn't look sharp in the 3rd.
 
No surprise. I think the Ullmark injury is ultimately going to kill the season here. They aren't good enough to win without really solid goaltending, it seems to give them a leg to stand on and put enough in the net, but now things are crumbling again and it's getting away from them.

Imo, he either comes back soon and they're back in the race, or he doesn't and they're out of it. No winning consistently without him imo.
 
They haven't been playing like a playoff team for a couple weeks now. It's not just the lack of scoring; their puck movement hasn't been crip, ferocity on the backcheck and coverage in the defensive zone has been lacking. Forsberg was good against Detroit but bad last night.

This team drives me crazy; a few weeks ago I thought they could compete with any team in the league. Last night they couldn't even get one goal on Buffalo, one of the worst teams in the league. At some point, they'll probably pull it together and start playing well again. I suppose when we get Ullmark back, he might make the difference but as of now, I'm doubtful we make the playoffs this season.
 

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