Low Effort GDT Sens v Buffalo tonight

[Burrowsaurus]

Ullmark with a Korpi goal last night. But got peppered in the first.

Crookshank looked like he had something to prove. I was very in and out in a different time zone. How did Boucher look?

 

[albator71]

Guys drafted in 2012 are in their 30's now so they don't qualify for "young talent"... Ottawa should have as much young talent as them if not more since we started with several very valuable assets in 2018

That said, I'm kind of hopeful that we are going to stockpile young talent again (after 3 years of dilapidation), very re-assured with the Yak pick and we have several 4th/5th rounders who are possibilities to become legit prospects. I'm quite high on Moore and Wallenius vs players usually drafted in these rounds.

I understand, but you seem to be overlooking my point. The Sabres should be the last team to emulate for a rebuild strategy. They've been in a perpetual state of rebuilding since 2012 without making the playoffs. It appears they lack a clear direction in their approach.

 

[albator71]

I would have LOVED Dorion to waste his assets that way instead of what he did...

You still stuck on Dorion Xspyrit? You really need to turn the page and move on. We are not going back we are moving forward!

 

[Micklebot]

Disappointed with Ostapchuk's game, he needed to show more as a guy looking to crack the team

Pinto was not great, I get he's a vet and has little to play for but you got to set the tone for the kids.

Adisson, Matinpalo, Roos, and Sebrango can go to the AHL now, they aren't getting a roster spot the way they've played

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

After the first period I was tired but couldn’t stop watching more out of fascination with how terribly we were playing. Could we keep that up? We absolutely can apparently. Against the team Buffalo iced.

And I wanted to keep watching Ullmark, what a showing.

Yak looked great, again.

 

[Micklebot]

After the first period I was tired but couldn’t stop watching more out of fascination with how terribly we were playing. Could we keep that up? We absolutely can apparently. Against the team Buffalo iced.

And I wanted to keep watching Ullmark, what a showing.

Yak looked great, again.

Its odd because we had an ok start for, like 5 mins, then we just sort of stopped and said, Ullmark's got this...

Anyways, the game answered two questions, Ullmark is legit, and Yakemchuk is going to be good

 

[dumbdick]

I thought Boucher looked noticeable.
Both goalies looked really good.
yak obviously had another strong game.

Disappointing camp for angus. Biggest disappointment for me.

 

[Micklebot]

I thought Boucher looked noticeable.
Both goalies looked really good.
yak obviously had another strong game.

Disappointing camp for angus. Biggest disappointment for me.

Boucher was ok, but still underwhelming, he didn't stand out in a good or bad way.

 

[dumbdick]

Boucher was ok, but still underwhelming, he didn't stand out in a good or bad way.

He had a couple nice hits and got a couple chances. He caught Helenius good at one point I think. And his skating looks really strong to me.

I think he'll make the NHL someday. He'll need to clean up his game though and he needs some consistent healthy playing time to do it.

If he gets close to a full season in the AHL I won't be surprised if he's in the conversation for a roster spot this time next year.

 

[senswon]

.Boucher was ok, but still underwhelming, he didn't stand out in a good or bad way.

Reminds me of lazar tbh.
No real offense to speak of. Doesn't drive the net, instead is a perimeter shooter and doesn't keep his gate wide enough in front of the net to get any sort of rebound.
Send him down

 

[Micklebot]

Reminds me of lazar tbh.
No real offense to speak of. Doesn't drive the net, instead is a perimeter shooter and doesn't keep his gate wide enough in front of the net to get any sort of rebound.
Send him down

Yeah, a more physical Lazar, if he can carve that out as a career it will be a good outcome imo.

He can hit, and occasionally rip a shot off on net if someone gets it to him, good skater, tools are there.

If he can be a penalty killing energy 4th liner, maybe there's some hope for him.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Ullmark with a Korpi goal last night. But got peppered in the first.

Crookshank looked like he had something to prove. I was very in and out in a different time zone. How did Boucher look?

You must have been in a jet to do that? Do you own your own jet?

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Really??? Fire an entire scouting staff because of one bad pick??? Damn

Is it just one bad pick? We were playing Buffalo’s prospects and AHL squad last night, and they looked pretty good against our guys. You have to give some thought and wonder about how good our prospect pool is at some point. And a reference to Buffalo rebuilding & sucking since 2012 isn’t particularly relevant as picks/prospects from that long ago have either made the club or have washed out. The players at the top of our draft in 2020 are very good, but I think its fair to wonder how good our drafting has been overall in the last 4 or 5 years.

 

[bert]

Well it's not like most average hockey fans knew that Boucher was just a third liner at best......Oh wait.

Yeah insanely bad pick but I can't help but see the irony if the same post saying Yak looks great but they should fire all the scouts.

 

[BondraTime]

Yeah, a more physical Lazar, if he can carve that out as a career it will be a good outcome imo.

He can hit, and occasionally rip a shot off on net if someone gets it to him, good skater, tools are there.

If he can be a penalty killing energy 4th liner, maybe there's some hope for him.

Yeah, he needs to add that layer if he wants to be a full time NHLer.

Can't be on the team just to hit, would need to play 2 minutes of SH to justify that kind of role, like Clutterbuck who was a PK guy as soon as he stepped into the league.

Offense isn't going to be there, if he can become a PK guy, and that's a very big if, he can carve out a career for sure.

 

[bert]

Is it just one bad pick? We were playing Buffalo’s prospects and AHL squad last night, and they looked pretty good against our guys. You have to give some thought and wonder about how good our prospect pool is at some point. And a reference to Buffalo rebuilding & sucking since 2012 isn’t particularly relevant as picks/prospects from that long ago have either made the club or have washed out. The players at the top of our draft in 2020 are very good, but I think its fair to wonder how good our drafting has been overall in the last 4 or 5 years.

While yes they have lots of great prospects. They have made way more picks. Dorion burnt all the sens draft capital while Buffalo has taken the right and more methodical approach. The 2021 draft is daming on the sens scouting staff no doubt. I don't like the 2020 draft outside of the first round either.

They need to add to the scouts and bring a different mind set. But firing them all when they already have a skeleton staff. I don't agree.

It's funny I think Buffalo had a very strange first round in 2022 picking Savoie 9th who I really don't like. Passing on Lekkerimaki but then they pick Ostlund who was a great pick. Then hitting a home run late with Kulich. When you have 3 firsts though I guess 2 good ones and 1 bad is OK. They identified this so they traded Savoie. Means they are willing to admit they made a mistake. I like that. Something dorion would never have done. I wonder if staios will

 

[HoweHullOrr]

While yes they have lots of great prospects. They have made way more picks. Dorion burnt all the sens draft capital while Buffalo has taken the right and more methodical approach. The 2021 draft is daming on the sens scouting staff no doubt. I don't like the 2020 draft outside of the first round either.

They need to add to the scouts and bring a different mind set. But firing them all when they already have a skeleton staff. I don't agree.

Couldn’t agree more. We were trading off high 1st rounders when we hadn’t even finished the rebuild yet. They can’t fire every scout in one fell swoop, but hopefully some savvy moves are in our future.

 

[BoardsofCanada]

Boucher had a golden opportunity in the first period and sailed it high over the net. Had he buried that, there would've been some genuine excitement building for him. But alas, missed the net, and ends up having just another unremarkable game.

He has speed and physicality, but no finish. Like others have said, Curtis Lazar.. maybe not as good.

One of the best players at camp has been Janik. He was one of only a few creating chances last night. For me, he's earned a spot. I've also liked Sebrango's game. Not ready for the NHL but I'm bullish on his future.

They really should've won the game last night despite being outplayed. I do think Buffalo's guys deserved a lot of credit. Rosen, Helenius and Ostlund all looked great.. especially Ostlund.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

jenik made some top 6 quality plays. pretty smart and creative player.

could be a darkhorse not just for the 4th line but much higher in the lineup.

really nice production in the OHL and AHL and only 24, rooting for this guy hard.

 

[Tuna99]

Travis Green “it was an ugly game, some players played themselves off the team, cuts tomorrow so we can get down to the real NHL players”

DJ Smith “Played hard, tracked, really loved the effort. These guys are fighting for their lives and the ice wasn’t great, ref’s made a few calls to give them the game but overall I really liked our performance.”

One coach wished the NHL for all his players, the other coach knows the NHL is a club for the elite

 

[dumbdick]

Boucher needs to stop trying to be a perimeter sniper and commit 100% to a grinder/waterbug/net jamming type of game.

He hits but he doesn't engage as much as he should. He seems to be looking for open ice a lot.

If he accepts playing a bottom six style he'll flourish. His tools are great.

Send that message in Belleville and see where he is in a year.

 

[PatrickEaves]

Boucher needs to stop trying to be a perimeter sniper and commit 100% to a grinder/waterbug/net jamming type of game.

He hits but he doesn't engage as much as he should. He seems to be looking for open ice a lot.

If he accepts playing a bottom six style he'll flourish. His tools are great.

Send that message in Belleville and see where he is in a year.

He's probably gun-shy from playing that type of game due to all the injuries he's had.

 

[SensFactor]

I wanted to see more from Crookshank and Ostapchuk. I believe both are heading to Belleville.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Boucher needs to stop trying to be a perimeter sniper and commit 100% to a grinder/waterbug/net jamming type of game.

He hits but he doesn't engage as much as he should. He seems to be looking for open ice a lot.

If he accepts playing a bottom six style he'll flourish. His tools are great.

Send that message in Belleville and see where he is in a year.

offensively he seems to think he is a cerebral player or something.

its so weird. like he thinks he's kucherov ,but he has none of the hockey iq.

 

[Micklebot]

Couldn’t agree more. We were trading off high 1st rounders when we hadn’t even finished the rebuild yet. They can’t fire every scout in one fell swoop, but hopefully some savvy moves are in our future.

So, I did a quick and dirty Expected return calculation for our drafting from 2016 to present, and we should have expected about 9-10 NHL players with our picks. I think we're on pace for about that, maybe a touch behind.

Our drafting has been about average, nothing to write home about, but not something for heads to roll over either. What killed us is trading off 4oa, 7oa, 12oa, 39oa, 49oa, and 72oa, that should have likely netted us another 2-3 legit players (if Duchene, Chychrun and DBC worked out and extended, the value of the trades were fine, but not for one or two years of each). The GM is gone, and we have someone who seems like he's got a plan instead of reacting. Things should improve.

All that said, I'd still like to improve on our scouting and be above average. Maybe Jokiharju or Hague instead of Bowers, K'andre Miller instead of JBD, Sillinger instead of Boucher, Peterka instead of Jarventie, ect would have done it, but every team has it's misses. I think we need to clean up our first round a bit, we've technically met expectations with Brady Stu, Greig and Sanderson, especially if Yakemchuk hits. But I think Boucher, Thomson, and Brown were all area's of opportunity. Having a McAvoy, Sillinger and McMichael in the system for example, would have been a huge boon.