OT: Sens Lounge -The four seasons edition

[Stylizer1]

I second this advice. Similar journey with my shoulder after a sleeping on the couch injury and it wasn't until I finally dragged my ass to Physio that it started improving after complaining about it for at least half a year prior. Even after all that time she found the lump and had to go to town on it for a while. Of course a large part of that is following through on the strength exercises, as mentioned, but at least they give you specific helpful ones.

The key is finding the right physiotherapist, especially ones that have experience with certain injuries. Like with any profession there more average ones than good ones. The average ones draw out the rehab to take advantage of your insurance coverage. The good ones are always fully booked and are trying to get you on your way in the proper amount of time.

I have had better luck with an osteopath for most of my issue's.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The key is finding the right physiotherapist, especially ones that have experience with certain injuries. Like with any profession there more average ones than good ones. The average ones draw out the rehab to take advantage of your insurance coverage. The good ones are always fully booked and are trying to get you on your way in the proper amount of time.

I have had better luck with an osteopath for most of my issue's.

100%. So many posers and idiots out there. Doesn't matter the industry, there's always the good, the bad and the Ugly, and sometimes you're just in the wrong place altogether.

Physio helped me get my shoulder mostly better, but getting in to Cross Fit after was what got me feeling actually strong and confident with it after a while.

 

[jbeck5]

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It's the high price and lack of options. No affordable sporty electric cars.

For example, I got the Kona N slightly used for 30k a few weeks ago. I work in The science and research sector so I work with a lot of PhDs in science that are all about the environment.

I got asked by one "what would it take you to get into an electric car?" I said "options, and prices to come WAY down".

So we did a comparison... The Kona electric starts at 50-55k...and comes with 201 HP. No active exhaust. No adjustable sports tuned suspension. No big brakes. No LSD. No track or race or sport options. Heavier. Slower. Basically, everything that made me want the Kona N would be gone...and I would have to pay almost twice the amount.


Hyundai does make an electric N...problem is it starts at 85k.

All these sporty electric cars seem to be nearing 100k or more. They boast like 600-1,000hp and 0-60 in 2.5 seconds for 120k...or they offer their basic mom and dad sedans...nothing affordable AND sporty.

Why is the focus on these heavy 4,000 pound electric cars with 600+ HP?

Why is there zero focus on an affordable 300-400hp that's lighter with performance suspension and brakes and stuff for an affordable price?

It's either 50k for something your grandma would want, or 100k for something sporty. There's nothing in between.

You either cant afford electric or you have to get the same electric car that your neighbour has who doesn't care about cars and doesn't look for fun features.

Where's the in between?

What does a car enthusiast who has some money do when they want to buy a new or slightly used car? There's nothing advertised as electric and fun and sporty and track ready for anything near 50k or less. You have to be rich or settle for a boring commuter.

 

[Micklebot]

What does a car enthusiast who has some money do when they want to buy a new or slightly used car? There's nothing advertised as electric and fun and sporty and track ready for anything near 50k or less. You have to be rich or settle for a boring commuter.

I think mustang Mach e ranges from 55-70 MSRP, before rebates, that would be Ford's offering for enthusiasts I suppose.

A quick Google sent me to car Gurus where you can find some "gently used" GTs for under 50k with around 10-25,000 km

Is that sporty and track ready, idk... Its a bit bigger than a Kona, but the 0-60 is 3.6 secs which still blows me away as that was pretty close to supercar speeds in the 90s and 2000s,

 

[jbeck5]

I think mustang Mach e ranges from 55-70 MSRP, before rebates, that would be Ford's offering for enthusiasts I suppose.

A quick Google sent me to car Gurus where you can find some "gently used" GTs for under 50k with around 10-25,000 km

Is that sporty and track ready, idk... Its a bit bigger than a Kona, but the 0-60 is 3.6 secs which still blows me away as that was pretty close to supercar speeds in the 90s and 2000s,

Keep in mind the trims though.

They have the base in RWD and AWD with 266HP. No sporty or track features.

They have the premium RWD with 290HP. No sporty or track features.

They have the premium AWD with 346HP. No sporty or track features.

Then they have the GT, with 480HP. This has the big rims, Pirelli tires, Brembo brakes, etc.

Are you seeing the GT for under 50k or is it the base or premiums which have no sporty features and are basically what any mom might get who wants something electric that looks cool and has 50-70k to spend.

Double keep in mind, the edition capable of 3.6 seconds not only is the GT, but the GT Performance Edition, which is probably closer to 75k

 

[Stylizer1]

It's the high price and lack of options. No affordable sporty electric cars.

For example, I got the Kona N slightly used for 30k a few weeks ago. I work in The science and research sector so I work with a lot of PhDs in science that are all about the environment.

I got asked by one "what would it take you to get into an electric car?" I said "options, and prices to come WAY down".

So we did a comparison... The Kona electric starts at 50-55k...and comes with 201 HP. No active exhaust. No adjustable sports tuned suspension. No big brakes. No LSD. No track or race or sport options. Heavier. Slower. Basically, everything that made me want the Kona N would be gone...and I would have to pay almost twice the amount.


Hyundai does make an electric N...problem is it starts at 85k.

All these sporty electric cars seem to be nearing 100k or more. They boast like 600-1,000hp and 0-60 in 2.5 seconds for 120k...or they offer their basic mom and dad sedans...nothing affordable AND sporty.

Why is the focus on these heavy 4,000 pound electric cars with 600+ HP?

Why is there zero focus on an affordable 300-400hp that's lighter with performance suspension and brakes and stuff for an affordable price?

It's either 50k for something your grandma would want, or 100k for something sporty. There's nothing in between.

You either cant afford electric or you have to get the same electric car that your neighbour has who doesn't care about cars and doesn't look for fun features.

Where's the in between?

What does a car enthusiast who has some money do when they want to buy a new or slightly used car? There's nothing advertised as electric and fun and sporty and track ready for anything near 50k or less. You have to be rich or settle for a boring commuter.

It's because electric cars are still in the status faze. They are making their money of rich people to develop the technology better. It was the same thing with Phones, TV's, you name it. The resale value is terrible on EV's.

Had China been able to sell their cars here I think you would have seen NA companies forced to comply with better upgrades.

 

[Loach]

It's because electric cars are still in the status faze. They are making their money of rich people to develop the technology better. It was the same thing with Phones, TV's, you name it. The resale value is terrible on EV's.

Had China been able to sell their cars here I think you would have seen NA companies forced to comply with better upgrades.

EVs are a fad to get to the next thing. It's not sustainable..funny enough. Where does all the energy come from to run 'em? When are the batteries and charging speed going to be better? Do hydro prices go up for everybody because of demand, even though you drive an old car or not at all. They will drain the oil, then move to the next thing. Hydrogen I guess?

EVs are a fad to get to the next thing. It's not sustainable..funny enough. Where does all the energy come from to run 'em? When are the batteries and charging speed going to be better? Do hydro prices go up for everybody because of demand, even though you drive an old car or not at all. They will drain the oil, then move to the next thing. Hydrogen I guess?

Strange that the rail network in NA sucks too.

EVs are a fad to get to the next thing. It's not sustainable..funny enough. Where does all the energy come from to run 'em? When are the batteries and charging speed going to be better? Do hydro prices go up for everybody because of demand, even though you drive an old car or not at all. They will drain the oil, then move to the next thing. Hydrogen I guess?


Strange that the rail network in NA sucks too.

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EVs are a fad to get to the next thing. It's not sustainable..funny enough. Where does all the energy come from to run 'em? When are the batteries and charging speed going to be better? Do hydro prices go up for everybody because of demand, even though you drive an old car or not at all. They will drain the oil, then move to the next thing. Hydrogen I guess?


Strange that the rail network in NA sucks too.


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Post on my own stuff! Lol. This Loach guy sucks.

 

[Micklebot]

Keep in mind the trims though.

They have the base in RWD and AWD with 266HP. No sporty or track features.

They have the premium RWD with 290HP. No sporty or track features.

They have the premium AWD with 346HP. No sporty or track features.

Then they have the GT, with 480HP. This has the big rims, Pirelli tires, Brembo brakes, etc.

Are you seeing the GT for under 50k or is it the base or premiums which have no sporty features and are basically what any mom might get who wants something electric that looks cool and has 50-70k to spend.

Double keep in mind, the edition capable of 3.6 seconds not only is the GT, but the GT Performance Edition, which is probably closer to 75k

Gt used was just under 50k on carguru, the one I saw earlier is gone now but there are some others, I just saw a gt performance for 55k but it's in Saint norbert

Even the new base model is claiming 4.1 with the AWD option which is kind of crazy, my parents had a Mustang LX when I was a kid, and let me tell you, those lower trim late 80s mustangs did not go anywhere near a 4.1 0-60.

 

[Loach]

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Everything you want

 

[jbeck5]

Gt used was just under 50k on carguru, the one I saw earlier is gone now but there are some others, I just saw a gt performance for 55k but it's in Saint norbert

Even the new base model is claiming 4.1 with the AWD option which is kind of crazy, my parents had a Mustang LX when I was a kid, and let me tell you, those lower trim late 80s mustangs did not go anywhere near a 4.1 0-60.

But that's the thing with the non performance variant of electric cars. They can accelerate fast...but what about cornering, braking, and general nimblenes? What about sports tuned suspension and stuff like that? Nope. They accelerate really quickly but handle like a brick. Not everyone wants a heavy, heavy muscle car. They weigh like 4,250-5,000 pounds depending on trim and options. The instant torque gives them decent to great acceleration times, but otherwise not the sportiest features or abilities.

And keep in mind that's almost twice the cost of my budget. I understand 30k isn't a huge amount of money, but you would think it should be enough to get a decent sporty second hand car. It is for gas cars. Heck, I bought my last sporty car for 10k cash a few years ago. But to not have any used electric cars with sporty/race features for 30k means their prices are still way too high generally. When you can go get a fun gas car for 5k still(will need a bit of work though at that price).

 

[bicboi64]

Where do you indoor climb?
What is wrong with your knee?
We are in the same city why don't you invite me?

I don't live in Ottawa unfortunately, I'm in the GTA. It's a gym called Toprock Gym.

It hurts like a mofo if I bend my knee too much (do anything active). It aches if I keep it straight or in any position for too long. Its right at the top of my knee.

I think I aggravated it because I was refereeing a youth ball hockey league where I was running back and forth and didn't do proper mobility exercises

Let it heal up properly, and do the strength exercises. Don’t be an idiot like me that kept playing two years with foot problems. Specialist just told me that full recovery is usually as long as when first injury occurred.

Physiotherapists are the bomb. Use exhaustively, if you have health insurance.

Yeah the plan is to take it chill. I went to the gym yesterday and did an upper body work out but no free weights. Seated machines and whatnot and will do just light core workouts that don't involve bending the knee. Have a docs appointment on Tuesday and will see how much of an old man I really am

 

[Micklebot]

don't live in Ottawa unfortunately, I'm in the GTA. It's a gym called Toprock Gym.

@2CHAINZ is the GTA brother!

 

[2CHAINZ]

I don't live in Ottawa unfortunately, I'm in the GTA. It's a gym called Toprock Gym.

It hurts like a mofo if I bend my knee too much (do anything active). It aches if I keep it straight or in any position for too long. Its right at the top of my knee.

I think I aggravated it because I was refereeing a youth ball hockey league where I was running back and forth and didn't do proper mobility exercises


Yeah the plan is to take it chill. I went to the gym yesterday and did an upper body work out but no free weights. Seated machines and whatnot and will do just light core workouts that don't involve bending the knee. Have a docs appointment on Tuesday and will see how much of an old man I really am

Lol I am in Brampton, Broski.

You really need to take time and strengthen your knees, not sure how old you are but as soon as I hit my mid 30's I just had knee pains all the time. I started really focusing on strengthening them working with a physiotherapist. I also take beef collagen every morning in my coffee, and I walk 10,000 steps every day which has seemed to help. I actually tweaked my knee the other day walking because, you know, those uneven Brampton sidewalks. I have been icing it down, going to try to get in my steps slowly today and see how it is.

 

[bicboi64]

Lol I am in Brampton, Broski.

You really need to take time and strengthen your knees, not sure how old you are but as soon as I hit my mid 30's I just had knee pains all the time. I started really focusing on strengthening them working with a physiotherapist. I also take beef collagen every morning in my coffee, and I walk 10,000 steps every day which has seemed to help. I actually tweaked my knee the other day walking because, you know, those uneven Brampton sidewalks. I have been icing it down, going to try to get in my steps slowly today and see how it is.

Oh snap! I just moved from Brampton to South Etobicoke but am still in Brampton a couple of times a week for climbing and to visit my parents! Once my knee is sorted, reach Toprock, i get a free guest per month!

I'm 30, turning 31 soon. I've been getting my fitness/nutrition in order after a few family weddings (Indian weddings where it's harder to stay disciplined). Went from 215 pounds down to 205 the last 6 weeks, and doing a steady calorie deficit to give my knees a fighting chance (my goal is 160 pounds).

I get in 8-9k steps per day with dog walks and eat relatively clean (can't take the beef collagen cuz I'm vegan).

In the market for a physio right now so if you know of any, shoot me a msg plz!

 

[2CHAINZ]

Oh snap! I just moved from Brampton to South Etobicoke but am still in Brampton a couple of times a week for climbing and to visit my parents! Once my knee is sorted, reach Toprock, i get a free guest per month!

I'm 30, turning 31 soon. I've been getting my fitness/nutrition in order after a few family weddings (Indian weddings where it's harder to stay disciplined). Went from 215 pounds down to 205 the last 6 weeks, and doing a steady calorie deficit to give my knees a fighting chance (my goal is 160 pounds).

I get in 8-9k steps per day with dog walks and eat relatively clean (can't take the beef collagen cuz I'm vegan).

In the market for a physio right now so if you know of any, shoot me a msg plz!

160 seems low; I wouldn't focus on the number; I would focus on lifting weights 4-5 times a week along with eating clean and your caloric deficit. How tall are you?

I was only busting balls I have never been climbing, but I would be down to give it a go. I like anything active, tbh. As for a physio place, let me ask my massage therapist; she has worked in many clinics. I had good results with Kings Cross Physio in Brampton, but that was in 2021 or 2022, and the therapist I had moved away, so I don't want to swear by that place without checking it out for myself first.

As for collagen, I am pretty sure there are vegan options I know I get smoothies from Freshouse, and they are a vegan place and they offer vegan protein and collagen.

 

[bicboi64]

160 seems low; I wouldn't focus on the number; I would focus on lifting weights 4-5 times a week along with eating clean and your caloric deficit. How tall are you?

I was only busting balls I have never been climbing, but I would be down to give it a go. I like anything active, tbh. As for a physio place, let me ask my massage therapist; she has worked in many clinics. I had good results with Kings Cross Physio in Brampton, but that was in 2021 or 2022, and the therapist I had moved away, so I don't want to swear by that place without checking it out for myself first.

As for collagen, I am pretty sure there are vegan options I know I get smoothies from Freshouse, and they are a vegan place and they offer vegan protein and collagen.

I got to 160 in 2020 when pandemic restrictions ramped up because I was able to get disciplined with nutrition (didn't even lift that much). I'm 5ft8, 205 right now with a lot of body fat and a beer belly (I odn't even drink lol). I want to slowly lose 1 poundish per week until I get to 160 since it's when I felt the best! Before my knee, I lifted weights twice a week, climbed twice a week, and had a long walk with the dogs every day.

Going to use the next few weeks to heal but try pilates with the gf at home (she does weird youtube workouts, but has good core strength that my fatass needs to develop). I'll check out the vegan collagen options (gotta see how pricy they are too lol). Thanks for the info on the physio and when my knee is less bum, i'll msg to climb!

For all of you in Ottawa, Coyote Rock Gym in Ottawa was the best!

 

[2CHAINZ]

I got to 160 in 2020 when pandemic restrictions ramped up because I was able to get disciplined with nutrition (didn't even lift that much). I'm 5ft8, 205 right now with a lot of body fat and a beer belly (I odn't even drink lol). I want to slowly lose 1 poundish per week until I get to 160 since it's when I felt the best! Before my knee, I lifted weights twice a week, climbed twice a week, and had a long walk with the dogs every day.

Going to use the next few weeks to heal but try pilates with the gf at home (she does weird youtube workouts, but has good core strength that my fatass needs to develop). I'll check out the vegan collagen options (gotta see how pricy they are too lol). Thanks for the info on the physio and when my knee is less bum, i'll msg to climb!

For all of you in Ottawa, Coyote Rock Gym in Ottawa was the best!

160 still seems pretty low; muscle weighs more than fat. I am 6 foot 1" (181). I would like to be closer to 190 (with muscle, not fat). Don't knock YouTube for workouts I use a lot of the Thenx channel workouts and I even use YouTube for yoga.

Message me for sure I will be down to come climb. Take your time with your knee you don't want to make it worse.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Rockclimbing eh?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Oh snap! I just moved from Brampton to South Etobicoke but am still in Brampton a couple of times a week for climbing and to visit my parents! Once my knee is sorted, reach Toprock, i get a free guest per month!

I'm 30, turning 31 soon. I've been getting my fitness/nutrition in order after a few family weddings (Indian weddings where it's harder to stay disciplined). Went from 215 pounds down to 205 the last 6 weeks, and doing a steady calorie deficit to give my knees a fighting chance (my goal is 160 pounds).

I get in 8-9k steps per day with dog walks and eat relatively clean (can't take the beef collagen cuz I'm vegan).

In the market for a physio right now so if you know of any, shoot me a msg plz!

Pivot in Bloor West Village

 

[Stylizer1]

Lol I am in Brampton, Broski.

You really need to take time and strengthen your knees, not sure how old you are but as soon as I hit my mid 30's I just had knee pains all the time. I started really focusing on strengthening them working with a physiotherapist. I also take beef collagen every morning in my coffee, and I walk 10,000 steps every day which has seemed to help. I actually tweaked my knee the other day walking because, you know, those uneven Brampton sidewalks. I have been icing it down, going to try to get in my steps slowly today and see how it is.

roll out those I.T. bands.

 

[2CHAINZ]

roll out those I.T. bands.

I actually am all about compression pants and sleeves. Love them.

 

[Stylizer1]

I actually am all about compression pants and sleeves. Love them.

A lot of my knee pain over the years stemmed from knots in my IT bands.

 

[2CHAINZ]

A lot of my knee pain over the years stemmed from knots in my IT bands.

Lol I'm an idiot I thought it bands were those bands you wrap around your knee, I was just talking to someone about them. But ya I foam roll and use one of those balls I'm always rolling my leg muscles they are all always tight and sore.

I actually had a lot of issues cause by a tight hip flexor for a long time till I learned how to stretch it out.

 

[bicboi64]

Lol I'm an idiot I thought it bands were those bands you wrap around your knee, I was just talking to someone about them. But ya I foam roll and use one of those balls I'm always rolling my leg muscles they are all always tight and sore.

I actually had a lot of issues cause by a tight hip flexor for a long time till I learned how to stretch it out.

My future fitness will have a large amount of hip flexor work I'm going to be prioritizing now. I've always managed to neglect the hips during workouts and fitness, but keeping them active will hopefully help prevent a lot of other injuries.

 

[2CHAINZ]

My future fitness will have a large amount of hip flexor work I'm going to be prioritizing now. I've always managed to neglect the hips during workouts and fitness, but keeping them active will hopefully help prevent a lot of other injuries.

You don't realize just how much these things impact everything else. My tight hip flexor causes issues with my legs and back. Now I do a stretch routine or some yoga every morning, and I stretch again and foam roll at night. Increasing your overall flexibility will work wonders and help prevent injury.