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Nope, not a Firebird.

My car list in order was:

Dodge Dart (push-button transmission shifting, University transport days)
Buick GS400 (loverly; bought when I had my first fully-time job after graduating)
Mercury Bobcat (rust bucket; married days with kids)
Ford Granata with 8 track player (ugly boat)
Pontiac Thunderbird 2 door with T-roof (sexy)
Pontiac Tran Sport van (hockey van #1)
Pontiac Montana SV6 van (hockey van #2)
Hyundai Santa Fe 2012
Hyundai Santa Fe 2022

So Pontiac AND Ford both made a Thunderbird? Interesting...

I google it and get the firebird...is this like a trim/nickname of some other model or something
 
Centrum didn't kill Hazeldean Mall. The shift from indoor malls to outdoor plazas killed it. Why pay rent that includes the costs for maintaining the common indoor areas when you can just rent a standalone place on Hazeldean Road?

At one point we had tons of malls from big regional ones like Bayshore to local malls like Pinecrest to weird almost malls like Shoppers City West. After Place D'Orleans was built they stopped building new malls and almost all the smaller malls have been redeveloped except for Merivale, Gloucester Centre, Billings Bridge and Hazeldean. Kanata Town Center, Westgate, Lincoln Fields, Elmvale, Pinecrest, Barrhaven, Herongate, and probably some others I can't think of right now are all gone.
That was a shift that was seen across the US for through the 1990's It got here late.

As per Wiki:

Starting in the mid-1990s, the Kanata Centrum shopping area on Terry Fox Drive opened. With its big box store concept, the Centrum lured customers away from Hazeldean Mall. Toward the end of the decade, the mall underwent an extensive period of renovations, which completely removed the brick floors and wood panels, replacing them with much lighter coloured hues, and also installing a fountain. Pharma Plus expanded into the space formerly occupied by the TD Bank, also receiving a larger door leading directly to the outside.
 
I don't travel anymore* I've traveled to dozens of countries...didn't need a car. Everything close by. Those are 15 minute cities.

Again, you're wrong. Always wrong.

No emotions here. Again, wrong.

It's just funny that you think 15 min cities are this amazing thing and that anyone who disagrees doesn't know what they're talking about or is getting emotional. Lol come on. Cheap arguments.

I'd be curious what size house you live in, and what you drive.

I never hear someone living in a big house wishing they lived in a smaller apartment, unless they're senior citizens.

I've never seen someone who enjoys driving and drives a fun car wishing they could replace their drives with bus rides.

so this could be a first if you live in a nice big house and have a fun car.
I'm Sorry.
 
Nope, not a Firebird.

My car list in order was:

Dodge Dart (push-button transmission shifting, University transport days)
Buick GS400 (loverly; bought when I had my first fully-time job after graduating)
Mercury Bobcat (rust bucket; married days with kids)
Ford Granata with 8 track player (ugly boat)
Pontiac Thunderbird 2 door with T-roof (sexy)
Pontiac Tran Sport van (hockey van #1)
Pontiac Montana SV6 van (hockey van #2)
Hyundai Santa Fe 2012
Hyundai Santa Fe 2022
So Pontiac AND Ford both made a Thunderbird? Interesting...

I google it and get the firebird...is this like a trim/nickname of some other model or something
Pontiac Fire bird (Trans Am)
Ford Thunderbird (pimp moblie)
 
I taught a woodworking class this week and one of my students was a dead ringer for Brady. To the point where I started really wondering if he was a long lost Tkachuk or something.
 
Get new friends. I did. Visit a game store and see when their groups meet.

There is a group meeting at The Red Dragon gaming store in Orleans that I go to on Wednesday evenings starting at 6:00 and going to store closing at 10:00. We generally have 4 to 8 participants and play many different types of card and board games. Anyone can join in. Just make sure you get there at 6:00 or shortly afterward as the gaming starts as soon as we have enough players. We have a messaging group for those who regularly attend.

Some of the games we have played recently include: Jorvik, Ra, Vanuatu, Coloretto, Acquire, Architects of the West Kingdom, Dune Imperium, Cyclades, Champions of Midgard, High Society, Great Western Trail, Marco Polo, Medici, Cascadero, Merchants of Muziris, The Mind, Pursuit of Happiness, Pandemic, Nusfjord, Sons of Anarchy, Star Wars Outer Rim, Stew, Welcome to ... , Tzolk'in, Tutankhamen, Triqueta, Tiny Epic Galaxies, Teotihuacan, Sushi Go, Wingspan, Zia. I have several 18XX games but the group is not a fan of those types of games. Some of the guys have extensive game collections.

I try to make and/or print out player aids and extra copies of the rulebooks to help those who never played before and those who have faulty memories (me included).
Issue i've had with boardgame groups, they want to play some of the more intensive games like you've mentioned that can take several hours. My type of games are more Catan, Smallworld, Ticket to Ride, Codenames, Bang, Resistance, etc., games that are an hour max so you can squeeze in a few different ones
 
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I don't travel anymore* I've traveled to dozens of countries...didn't need a car. Everything close by. Those are 15 minute cities.

Again, you're wrong. Always wrong.

No emotions here. Again, wrong.

It's just funny that you think 15 min cities are this amazing thing and that anyone who disagrees doesn't know what they're talking about or is getting emotional. Lol come on. Cheap arguments.

I'd be curious what size house you live in, and what you drive.

I never hear someone living in a big house wishing they lived in a smaller apartment, unless they're senior citizens.

I've never seen someone who enjoys driving and drives a fun car wishing they could replace their drives with bus rides.

so this could be a first if you live in a nice big house and have a fun car.
Friend I have a very different view honestly.

I currently live in a non-walking suburb part of Toronto. In the city but not walk-friendly.

1 year ago I lived in a small house close to downtown Toronto - an almost 15 minute city - where I lived was as close as you can get to walking for all your stuff in Canada.

I would trade ANYTHING to go back to the smaller house and walking everywhere. I gained 30 lbs from driving and not walking. I have pains in weird places. I hate walking the dog now because there is nothing around here - there was activity everywhere before. I hate big box stores. I loved picking up fresh stuff to eat and just coming home with it. I miss the friends I would see walking. The family had everything around - you just had to walk there. We had cars, but honestly used Uber more if we needed to drive for whatever reason. I loved that life. I am very sad about it tbh.

I am not a senior citizen.

I grew up in suburban Ottawa but I loved the 15 min city life WAY more. But I would never have predicted that when I was 16.
 
Friend I have a very different view honestly.

I currently live in a non-walking suburb part of Toronto. In the city but not walk-friendly.

1 year ago I lived in a small house close to downtown Toronto - an almost 15 minute city - where I lived was as close as you can get to walking for all your stuff in Canada.

I would trade ANYTHING to go back to the smaller house and walking everywhere. I gained 30 lbs from driving and not walking. I have pains in weird places. I hate walking the dog now because there is nothing around here - there was activity everywhere before. I hate big box stores. I loved picking up fresh stuff to eat and just coming home with it. I miss the friends I would see walking. The family had everything around - you just had to walk there. We had cars, but honestly used Uber more if we needed to drive for whatever reason. I loved that life. I am very sad about it tbh.

I am not a senior citizen.

I grew up in suburban Ottawa but I loved the 15 min city life WAY more. But I would never have predicted that when I was 16.

Toronto. That's the problem. Not walk friendly and having a dog is a problem...but that's not my experience of suburbs...they're full of trails and Parks. Maybe not in Toronto. But in Orleans for example, there's a giant(relative) forest running through the heart of Orleans. Buy a house backing onto that and you have no back neighbours and trails everywhere at your fingertips. All these trials connect to parks, playgrounds, soccer fields, baseball diamonds, schools, etc.

Do you have a lot of friends? You mention you're from Ottawa but in Toronto. Part of the allure of having a bigger house with bigger properties is being able to do things like host a big BBQ or host family holidays with both sides of the family...you know, like the first night of home alone. If you move to a bigger house but are alone , then of course you won't make use out of it and would rather be close to where things are happening.

Toronto traffic also sucks balls...

That's weird...when I was 16 I would have wanted that 15 min city because I was single and wanting to party and be close to the bars and clubs and night life.

But now? I would HATE to live in a 15 min city. We purposely moved to a quiet street in a quiet area...more parks..more forests near by...trails everywhere...

We don't want to be near nightlife or near a train station or near buses or busy roads or near restaurants. We like that our evenings are quiet. Everything is still a 5 min drive away...but we want a quiet neighborhood...so by default, it won't be within 15 mins of everything...that's what most people raising a family want.

You don't want to be putting your baby down at 8 while you can hear cars racing by, or buses starting and stopping...or music from a festival til 11pm. It's great when you're young and single and ready to mingle. Not when you have kids at home and you're trying to get some sleep.

Then, you like Greenpeace so your kids can throw a baseball or kick a soccer ball, on your own property..and walk down to the end of the street and see a soccer field...and walk to the next street and see a baseball diamond...and then on the other side, have a forest to go mountain biking on the trails. That's fun for kids.

And it's not like you didn't have stores in walking distance. Plenty of memories of walking to Quickie 5 mins east or macs milk 10 mins east...or the dollar store 5 mins west...and getting candy and stuff.
 
Friend I have a very different view honestly.

I currently live in a non-walking suburb part of Toronto. In the city but not walk-friendly.

1 year ago I lived in a small house close to downtown Toronto - an almost 15 minute city - where I lived was as close as you can get to walking for all your stuff in Canada.

I would trade ANYTHING to go back to the smaller house and walking everywhere. I gained 30 lbs from driving and not walking. I have pains in weird places. I hate walking the dog now because there is nothing around here - there was activity everywhere before. I hate big box stores. I loved picking up fresh stuff to eat and just coming home with it. I miss the friends I would see walking. The family had everything around - you just had to walk there. We had cars, but honestly used Uber more if we needed to drive for whatever reason. I loved that life. I am very sad about it tbh.

I am not a senior citizen.

I grew up in suburban Ottawa but I loved the 15 min city life WAY more. But I would never have predicted that when I was 16.
I travel to France regularly and always try to visit different cities around Europe. In 2019 I spent the summer in Paris for 2 months and would easily walk 20,000 steps a day because there was just so much to see. Transit was everywhere and so easy to find. Within a 1 km radius there were 15 grocery stores(4 on my Block), 25 bakeries(7 within 3 minutes), 5 butchers, 3 fish mongers, 50+ non chain restaurants, 100+clothing stores..... The feeling of seeing the same people almost everyday, getting to know the vendors, them recognizing you from the year before, over many years, it's so nice. I don't see my neighbors like that, I know half of them but it's like we like in fortresses.

When I came back my first trip to the grocery store I drove, I parked as far away as I could and as I walked thought to myself this feels dumb. lol
 
My neighbourhood is only borderline walkable, nothing is really convenient and for sure there are not many options for shopping ... but I still try to walk whenever it is at all possible.

Mostly because driving in Ottawa is my personal definition of hell.
 
Toronto. That's the problem. Not walk friendly and having a dog is a problem...but that's not my experience of suburbs...they're full of trails and Parks. Maybe not in Toronto. But in Orleans for example, there's a giant(relative) forest running through the heart of Orleans. Buy a house backing onto that and you have no back neighbours and trails everywhere at your fingertips. All these trials connect to parks, playgrounds, soccer fields, baseball diamonds, schools, etc.

Do you have a lot of friends? You mention you're from Ottawa but in Toronto. Part of the allure of having a bigger house with bigger properties is being able to do things like host a big BBQ or host family holidays with both sides of the family...you know, like the first night of home alone. If you move to a bigger house but are alone , then of course you won't make use out of it and would rather be close to where things are happening.

Toronto traffic also sucks balls...

That's weird...when I was 16 I would have wanted that 15 min city because I was single and wanting to party and be close to the bars and clubs and night life.

But now? I would HATE to live in a 15 min city. We purposely moved to a quiet street in a quiet area...more parks..more forests near by...trails everywhere...

We don't want to be near nightlife or near a train station or near buses or busy roads or near restaurants. We like that our evenings are quiet. Everything is still a 5 min drive away...but we want a quiet neighborhood...so by default, it won't be within 15 mins of everything...that's what most people raising a family want.

You don't want to be putting your baby down at 8 while you can hear cars racing by, or buses starting and stopping...or music from a festival til 11pm. It's great when you're young and single and ready to mingle. Not when you have kids at home and you're trying to get some sleep.

Then, you like Greenpeace so your kids can throw a baseball or kick a soccer ball, on your own property..and walk down to the end of the street and see a soccer field...and walk to the next street and see a baseball diamond...and then on the other side, have a forest to go mountain biking on the trails. That's fun for kids.

And it's not like you didn't have stores in walking distance. Plenty of memories of walking to Quickie 5 mins east or macs milk 10 mins east...or the dollar store 5 mins west...and getting candy and stuff.
For sure great places everywhere, loved living in Ottawa too. But a 15 minute city -- it was the best place I lived. Most of your concerns are not what I experienced at all.

Maybe not right for you. But we loved it.
 
Centrum didn't kill Hazeldean Mall. The shift from indoor malls to outdoor plazas killed it. Why pay rent that includes the costs for maintaining the common indoor areas when you can just rent a standalone place on Hazeldean Road?

At one point we had tons of malls from big regional ones like Bayshore to local malls like Pinecrest to weird almost malls like Shoppers City West. After Place D'Orleans was built they stopped building new malls and almost all the smaller malls have been redeveloped except for Merivale, Gloucester Centre, Billings Bridge and Hazeldean. Kanata Town Center, Westgate, Lincoln Fields, Elmvale, Pinecrest, Barrhaven, Herongate, and probably some others I can't think of right now are all gone.
I used to love my food court days there…
 
This is the key point. Do you want to live in small tightly packed housing with great transit or large houses that have double wide driveways with lousy transit?

Unfortunately for Ottawa, what's being built now in the suburbs is the worst option - large houses on smallish lots with lousy transit. Twenty years ago or so lots would be 35'-50'x100'. Now they're moving to 30'-35'x80'-85'. Not dense enough to make transit great and too dense for everyone to have lots of parking.

I think that's the real key for the future. Instead of concentrating so much on transit over a large area....we need to focus on how we build neighborhoods and communities. And since we're going to be building a lot of housing in the next few years, this is a great time to start figuring things out.

I would love to see boroughs built from the ground up where there are bike paths and walkable areas that make sense, and actually get you to where you want to go in a hurry. That also means having a lot more mixed zone neighborhoods. More focus on neighborhood markets and medium sized stores instead of mega sized buildings with a few acres of parking. And in Ottawa, toss in some mid sized government buildings, too. Make it so everything the average person needs on a regular basis is 0-2 km away.
 
I think that's the real key for the future. Instead of concentrating so much on transit over a large area....we need to focus on how we build neighborhoods and communities. And since we're going to be building a lot of housing in the next few years, this is a great time to start figuring things out.

I would love to see boroughs built from the ground up where there are bike paths and walkable areas that make sense, and actually get you to where you want to go in a hurry. That also means having a lot more mixed zone neighborhoods. More focus on neighborhood markets and medium sized stores instead of mega sized buildings with a few acres of parking. And in Ottawa, toss in some mid sized government buildings, too. Make it so everything the average person needs on a regular basis is 0-2 km away.
The city needs to focus on the downtown core and intensify it first. Too many 2 to 3 story buildings. The Market could be vibrant all of the time but not enough people liver there. I understand heritage and all but that is the exact thing that is holding us back. Rideau St./Dalhousie is full of heritage buildings that look like shit and that house pretty crappy stores. Right next to them high rises. You need something in the middle. 5-6 story buildings that are build with character and not big metal boxes like they are building. Have store fronts on the street and have a variety of stores and services. Keep the chains out. That's exactly what happened to Lansdowne and it made it ugly. You intensify Sparks the same way.
 
The city needs to focus on the downtown core and intensify it first. Too many 2 to 3 story buildings. The Market could be vibrant all of the time but not enough people liver there. I understand heritage and all but that is the exact thing that is holding us back. Rideau St./Dalhousie is full of heritage buildings that look like shit and that house pretty crappy stores. Right next to them high rises. You need something in the middle. 5-6 story buildings that are build with character and not big metal boxes like they are building. Have store fronts on the street and have a variety of stores and services. Keep the chains out. That's exactly what happened to Lansdowne and it made it ugly. You intensify Sparks the same way.

Definitely agree on the character aspect of things, and beefing up some of the 3 story buildings to 5-6 stories. That's one big thing that really makes North America drab...the lack of character and artisan workmanship in a lot of buildings.

I know a beautiful storefront is more expensive to build....but it also brings in more people. If I'm going to go out shopping for a day, and everything looks like a cookiecutter box...might as well stick to the mall or big box stores. But give me a few interesting streets to walk down, that feel like modern day European town with mom & pop shops and interesting buildings to look at and a variety of different types of shops....then I'll be much more inclined to stroll around and make an afternoon of it. Stopping for a coffee or sandwich or something along the way. Sit and people watch or read a book. Brings in a better vibe and makes people want to linger in an area and spend money.
 
Those lovely 15 minute cities in Europe are a result of "bottom-up" growth. The cities grew over centuries; they existed before cars existed. That's why the streets are narrow and everything is bunched up. It seems that every time city planners in North America get to make a top-down decision we end up with something ugly and soulless as a result. In Europe it seems that they treasured what they had, and so their downtown cores are still pretty and a tourism attraction. The big ugly megastores exist there too, but they're usually on the outside, out of sight of the tourists.
 

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