Michkov vs Fantilli vs Carlsson

[majormajor]

Nobody is arguing that, but you can’t deny teams preferred some guys over Michkov because of the size and the position they play rather than the talent

There actually are people arguing that, that what you see now with 19 year olds is a linear extrapolation away from what they'll be at age 24.

And why wouldn't teams take into account a player's size, position, defensive ability, etc.. ? Is this supposed to be some scandal? Those factors can be given too much weight, and perhaps they were overweighted in this case, but nonetheless they are important factors to take into consideration.

 

[Regal]

Nobody is arguing that, but you can’t deny teams preferred some guys over Michkov because of the size and the position they play rather than the talent

I think the biggest factor was certainty. If Michkov was a guarantee to come over when he did, it would have been a different draft.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Once upon a time Sergei Samsonov and Joe Thornton broke into the league at the same time, same age, same team. And plenty of folks were convinced that Samsonov was going to be the much better player after he started out ahead for the first few years. Now Michkov is on a different level from Samsonov, but the point is that growth trajectories for players are not linear paths. I wouldn't be surprised if Leo ends up as a 90 pt player, and likely with elite two way ability. That's hard to pass up. And Fantilli is a mess right now but the player he is reminding a lot of people of is early career Mackinnon. The point is, it's very very early.

Samsonov compared to Michkov, lol. So we’re just going to assume Michkov will stagnate when he’s been a near generational type prospect ( by the numbers) since he was a kid. Carlsson surely will improve but so will Michkov. If Michkov seriously improves his top end speed, I think he has Hart / Art potential, I don’t see any of that with Carlsson. Nothing is a slam dunk but everything that’s happened so far for years and years suggests they’re in different tiers. I've been a huge fan of Carlsson for awhile too, I had him over Fantilli, it's entirely possible he becomes a top 10C in the league one day.

 

[majormajor]

Samsonov compared to Michkov, lol. So we’re just going to assume Michkov will stagnate when he’s been a near generational type prospect ( by the numbers) since he was a kid. Carlsson surely will improve but so will Michkov. If Michkov seriously improves his top end speed, I think he has Hart / Art potential, I don’t see any of that with Carlsson. Nothing is a slam dunk but everything that’s happened so far for years and years suggests they’re in different tiers. I've been a huge fan of Carlsson for awhile too, I had him over Fantilli, it's entirely possible he becomes a top 10C in the league one day.

This is the problem with analogies. Even if you carefully note that Michkov is on an entirely different level from Samsonov, you can't use an example of different players following different growth paths without some bonehead saying "Samsonov compared to Michkov, lol". We simply cannot have a conversation.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

This is the problem with analogies. Even if you carefully note that Michkov is on an entirely different level from Samsonov, you can't use an example of different players following different growth paths without some bonehead saying "Samsonov compared to Michkov, lol". We simply cannot have a conversation.

I'm a bonehead because you used a piss poor analogy / strange player comparison. It's okay lil bro, it'll be alright. Joe Thornton was drafted 1st overall btw, no scouts or fans could of guessed he'd be a great player!

 

[MNRube]

Was Michkov in draft year, will remain Michkov the next 15 years

 

[Sasso09]

Carlsson is better than Michkov

No one believes this, no one ever believed this, not even you.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

No one believes this, no one ever believed this, not even you.

I still believe this. I'm a huge Michkov fan but I'd take Carlsson over him if I'm building a team.

I expect Michkov to be the better offensive player, but Carlsson projects as a top 5-10 selke caliber center. Kid is an absolute stud.

 

[Sasso09]

I still believe this. I'm a huge Michkov fan but I'd take Carlsson over him if I'm building a team.

I expect Michkov to be the better offensive player, but Carlsson projects as a top 5-10 selke caliber center. Kid is an absolute stud

Kids in the top 5-10 of Selke in 2023

Backlund
Eriksson Ek
Lindholm

Cool.... all players that aren't as good as Michkov is right now, let alone what he will be.

You're talking about taking Hischier over Kaprizov

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Kids in the top 5-10 of Selke in 2023

Backlund
Eriksson Ek
Lindholm

Cool.... all players that aren't as good as Michkov is right now, let alone what he will be.

You're talking about taking Hischier over Kaprizov

I'm saying he will be a top 5-10 center, who will be a selke caliber player. Think Barkov or Kopitar.

 

[Sasso09]

I'm saying he will be a top 5-10 center, who will be a selke caliber player. Think Barkov or Kopitar.

I think you might be correct, he has that potential.

Barkov and Kopitar on their best days aren't as good as Kucherov and Kaprizov though

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think you might be correct, he has that potential.

Barkov and Kopitar on their best days aren't as good as Kucherov and Kaprizov though

I would take Barkov or prime Kopitar over Kucherov and Kaprizov.

 

[deejb]

Michkov 26+37=63 in 80GP
Fantilli 31+23=54 in 82GP
Carlsson 20+25=45 in 76GP

Michkov, as expected. Fantilli scored 31g and Will Smith caught up Carlson is a surprise, on the other hand.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Hi. No need to bump all of the Michkov threads. Thanks.

 

[spiny norman]

Closed.