OT: Sens Lounge LXXVI | The One Where the RedBlacks won and it was a good day.

[Harbinger]

One reason why I'm losing an incredible amount of weight is because of my resting metabolic rate, which is 5200.

 

[Caeldan]

Yes. Nutrition should absolutely be taught from an early age. That's the type of thing you could easily fit into a PE class curriculum. We don't really like to teach kids useful information they can apply to everyday life though. We'd prefer to assume that every person will be an academic.

They do teach nutrition, problem is it's funded by Big Corn and Big Wheat...
Eat cereal every morning! Because heavily processed complex carbohydrates are what you really need first thing in the morning (or ever).
Saturated fats are bad for you, make sure to cook with canola oil! Never mind the fact that it's processed under high heat and using hexane, bleached then dyed yellow before being bottled. And it easily oxidizes - so pretty much any healthy benefit for it is destroyed before it ever reaches your body.
Don't eat egg yolks! Despite multiple studies showing that dietary cholesterol have no impact on your LDL/HDL levels, and that the yolks contain the majority of the actual nutrition of an egg.
etc etc.
Eat bread just because! well I guess it's a cheap carb source? and fortified with all the minerals that they removed during processing and you could find in other whole foods?

 

[18Hossa]

They spend approx. two days "teaching" how to eat healthy in high school phys. ed classes. They see that some of the class doing well and figure everyone else is as well. Problem is, the people they see doing well are the athletic kids who already know how to plan and eat healthy and the rest of the class has no idea wtf is going on.

 

[Caeldan]

They spend approx. two days "teaching" how to eat healthy in high school phys. ed classes. They see that some of the class doing well and figure everyone else is as well. Problem is, the people they see doing well are the athletic kids who already know how to plan and eat healthy and the rest of the class has no idea wtf is going on.

My friend's 4(5?)yo girl has brought home some nutrition stuff too from school. So they teach that low too but obviously they're not doing any calories or macros just more food groups/portion sizes.

 

[Micklebot]

They spend approx. two days "teaching" how to eat healthy in high school phys. ed classes. They see that some of the class doing well and figure everyone else is as well. Problem is, the people they see doing well are the athletic kids who already know how to plan and eat healthy and the rest of the class has no idea wtf is going on.

Given that my kids eat the majority of their meals with me, I don't see the problem with taking charge of their nutritional education, but I certainly wouldn't complain if it was reinforced in school.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

They spend approx. two days "teaching" how to eat healthy in high school phys. ed classes. They see that some of the class doing well and figure everyone else is as well. Problem is, the people they see doing well are the athletic kids who already know how to plan and eat healthy and the rest of the class has no idea wtf is going on.

They tell them that this food and that food are healthy or not but they don't tell them why. It's not even a difficult topic that takes some sort of advanced background in science. You don't need to go into the Biology in great detail, explain how some macros and nutrients are needed for certain metabolic functions and how to read nutrition labels. This would be an easy lesson to teach grade 9-10s over a week or two with a simple multiple choice exam.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

One of the big problems with the education system is that it is super traditionalist and conservative. They teach you things you don't really need to learn when you are young like history (This is coming from someone who loves history and studied it for 2/years at Uni before switching majors), instead of teaching AND enforcing healthy lifestyle habits as well as financial planning. Most people get fat in their late teens and early twenties as well as rack up most of their unnecessary debt at that age... I don't think it's coincidence... I think they don't know what the **** they are doing. Instead of learning dates and parts of the Buffalo, teach the kids important things... Then, if there's time, teach them supplementary material.

 

[Benjamin]

One of the big problems with the education system is that it is super traditionalist and conservative. They teach you things you don't really need to learn when you are young like history (This is coming from someone who loves history and studied it for 2/years at Uni before switching majors), instead of teaching AND enforcing healthy lifestyle habits as well as financial planning. Most people get fat in their late teens and early twenties as well as rack up most of their unnecessary debt at that age... I don't think it's coincidence... I think they don't know what the **** they are doing. Instead of learning dates and parts of the Buffalo, teach the kids important things... Then, if there's time, teach them supplementary material.

School is 80% useless junk. So much stuff is missed. The government definitely prefers the population to be stupid.

 

[Caeldan]

They tell them that this food and that food are healthy or not but they don't tell them why. It's not even a difficult topic that takes some sort of advanced background in science. You don't need to go into the Biology in great detail, explain how some macros and nutrients are needed for certain metabolic functions and how to read nutrition labels. This would be an easy lesson to teach grade 9-10s over a week or two with a simple multiple choice exam.

Except that no one actually agrees as to what is healthy, what isn't, how much of this or that you need, etc.

So they just quickly introduce the food pyramid as brought to you by the agricultural lobbies of North America and that's that

 

[MainDotC]

Humans will typically choose the path of least resistance, and that means eating conveniently. Eating fast food is cheap and quick - no cooking required - but it is very bad food to consume. I believe that concept also affects our habits. If parents are not making smart choices with food for their offspring then those offspring will develop poor eating habits, and typically the process will repeat itself. Check out the movie Idiocracy sometime.

 

[BonkTastic]

School is 80% useless junk.

So what's your alternative?

 

[The Fuhr*]

I'm going to make mozzarella stuffed chicken balls with a stir fry rice for dinner... Throw some peppers in there too

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I'm going to make mozzarella stuffed chicken balls with a stir fry rice for dinner... Throw some peppers in there too

That sounds straight-up delicious.

Think I'm gonna rock a striploin and baked potato. Feeling particularly Irish today.

 

[Mr Invidious]

I'm feeling the exquisite delicacy of my ancestors tonight:

Pizza Pops and Diet Coke.

 

[Benjamin]

So what's your alternative?

Im not an expert.

 

[saskriders]

Great sketch from the best Monty Python movie

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

I'm feeling the exquisite delicacy of my ancestors tonight:

Pizza Pops and Diet Coke.

I've got a mushroom sauce with rice noodles today. Very Polish of me.



Actually, I might add some sausage

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Except that no one actually agrees as to what is healthy, what isn't, how much of this or that you need, etc.

So they just quickly introduce the food pyramid as brought to you by the agricultural lobbies of North America and that's that

What they're doing now isn't enough, that we agree on. And we definitely agree that education shouldn't be sponsored by any special interest groups.

What's healthy, isn't so black and white, which is why I'm saying we should teach nutrition and some basic biology. Teach people to be able to tailor their diet to their lifestyle or goals. It's really not a difficult concept to eat based on your daily activities and meeting certain amounts of macro and micro nutrient.

By no means should we ever say food x is bad; food y is good. It should be food x has x amount of calories, x number of MGs of calcium, vitamin A, sodium etc. We just need to be a little bit aware of what we're consuming and using in energy. It doesn't have to be exact numbers, just ball park figures to keep track on a daily basis.

 

[The Fuhr*]

That sounds straight-up delicious.

Think I'm gonna rock a striploin and baked potato. Feeling particularly Irish today.

That's a wicked dinner a swell

 

[bacon25]

One of the big problems with the education system is that it is super traditionalist and conservative. They teach you things you don't really need to learn when you are young like history (This is coming from someone who loves history and studied it for 2/years at Uni before switching majors), instead of teaching AND enforcing healthy lifestyle habits as well as financial planning. Most people get fat in their late teens and early twenties as well as rack up most of their unnecessary debt at that age... I don't think it's coincidence... I think they don't know what the **** they are doing. Instead of learning dates and parts of the Buffalo, teach the kids important things... Then, if there's time, teach them supplementary material.

If school started telling kids what to eat and how to spend their money I could see a lot of parents getting upset. Schools are not really supposed to teach someone how to LIVE their life, but rather give them a basic knowledge of material in various subjects in the hope that they can figure it out on their own. The schools are not the problem, I remember being taught basic finance and nutrition in jr. High. It should be the parents responsibility to teach and enforce proper nutrition, exercise and so forth. I would actually argue that the educational system has actually become too liberal in its focus. Teachers no longer have authority, teach an easier curriculum and are still blamed for students' failures.

 

[Caeldan]

What they're doing now isn't enough, that we agree on. And we definitely agree that education shouldn't be sponsored by any special interest groups.

What's healthy, isn't so black and white, which is why I'm saying we should teach nutrition and some basic biology. Teach people to be able to tailor their diet to their lifestyle or goals. It's really not a difficult concept to eat based on your daily activities and meeting certain amounts of macro and micro nutrient.

By no means should we ever say food x is bad; food y is good. It should be food x has x amount of calories, x number of MGs of calcium, vitamin A, sodium etc. We just need to be a little bit aware of what we're consuming and using in energy. It doesn't have to be exact numbers, just ball park figures to keep track on a daily basis.

The only problem there though is you will risk teaching people eating disorders depending on how you teach macro counting.

I pretty much intentionally avoid any strict counting because I am a type to get wrapped up in numbers, but kids won't know what their dangerous obsessive tendencies are yet at that age.

But yeah even just basically eyeballing rules of thumb like a build a meal with fistful of protein, a thumb of fat, half the plate leafy greens and then add some colourful veggies should be okay.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

If school started telling kids what to eat and how to spend their money I could see a lot of parents getting upset. Schools are not really supposed to teach someone how to LIVE their life, but rather give them a basic knowledge of material in various subjects in the hope that they can figure it out on their own. The schools are not the problem, I remember being taught basic finance and nutrition in jr. High. It should be the parents responsibility to teach and enforce proper nutrition, exercise and so forth. I would actually argue that the educational system has actually become too liberal in its focus. Teachers no longer have authority, teach an easier curriculum and are still blamed for students' failures.

I agree with you and disagree with you at the same time

Parents are biased. Parents have cultural, moral, political, religious, and traditional biases which they pass down to their children. Teachers are, on the otherhand (hopefully), apolitical and areligious. Teachers should tell students facts and teach the students how to discern and understand those facts.

When I say the schools are conservative in their teaching, I mean that they still teach roughly the same moral mumbo jumbo that they taught 20 years ago. In the age of technology, 20 years is a ton of time to realize how stupid we were.

Teachers shouldn't tell students how to eat, what to eat, what to spend their money on, ect. They should give you the material and explanations of what each thing means and teach you the consequences. Don't teach them as good or bad. Have the students decide what kind of life they would like and help them get there. Never TELL the students to do anything. Humans, especially young ones, are very prone to do the opposite of what people tell them to do.

However, something as simple as having a mandatory food / finance journal that only the teacher sees and marks only on completion, would probably benefit the entire society as a whole.

 

[The Fuhr*]

I wish I was taught the food knowledge in high school I've learned now...

Eating right with just 20min of Cardio a day and lifting three times a week is giving me massive results

If id have known it was this easy, would have been in amazing shape years ago

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

I agree with you and disagree with you at the same time

Parents are biased. Parents have cultural, moral, political, religious, and traditional biases which they pass down to their children. Teachers are, on the otherhand (hopefully), apolitical and areligious. Teachers should tell students facts and teach the students how to discern and understand those facts.

When I say the schools are conservative in their teaching, I mean that they still teach roughly the same moral mumbo jumbo that they taught 20 years ago. In the age of technology, 20 years is a ton of time to realize how stupid we were.

Teachers shouldn't tell students how to eat, what to eat, what to spend their money on, ect. They should give you the material and explanations of what each thing means and teach you the consequences. Don't teach them as good or bad. Have the students decide what kind of life they would like and help them get there. Never TELL the students to do anything. Humans, especially young ones, are very prone to do the opposite of what people tell them to do.

However, something as simple as having a mandatory food / finance journal that only the teacher sees and marks only on completion, would probably benefit the entire society as a whole.

Edit, I forgot to add. The journal should include your health and financial gos, and to avoid shame, the finance portion could only include % spent vs gained and an explanation once a week or month why it was a good or bad week (in your opinion) financial.

 

[OmniSens]

This new job is so time consuming. I love it.