OT: Sens Lounge LXXVI | The One Where the RedBlacks won and it was a good day.

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

Saw Book of Mormon last night, was not disappointed. Hasa Diga Eebowai

Can't wait until they come to Vancouver in April !

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

I'm still not sold on music as plot exposition, but agreed — it was great. I especially loved the Spooky Mormon Hell Dream... and the fact that all the advertising in the program was by the Mormon Church.

I think Spooky Mormon Hell Dream was my favourite as well. The Mormon advertising was pretty hilarious. There were a couple of guys dressed as elders last night in front of me and I wasn't sure whether they were real or just dressing up to be cheeky. My friends and I couldn't agree on a consensus. Dunno why you'd want to see this if you were a Mormon though.

 

[MainDotC]

 

[Harbinger]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, now with realistic genitals.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, now with realistic genitals.

I thought this movie was going to be a total abortion of film when I heard about Bay's plans to have them from outerspace but after seeing some trailers I really want to see it.

 

[Harbinger]

i wanna know if they're really packing a set of ****'n'balls.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Reading this I couldn't help but think of George Grant's, Lament for a Nation, in which he argues that if Canada is to continue to exist as a distinct nation it must avoid the rampant individualism of the United States. I'm not saying the US is bad, but we all have become pretty self-centered and like you said, I think the competitive nature of school, work, and life in general gives us the false impression that if someone is poor it is because they deserve to be poor.

Well said.

You know, it's funny. One of the problems I see at times, are young people with too much empathy. They're told so often about how awful people are to eat meat, consumer resources, live in a home (by taking away land the animals "owned") etc...that causes a lot of problems.

Kids have gotten to sensitive to everything happening that I truly wonder if many of them will be able to get through life without having a nervous breakdown. I see it with some of the kids I work with...they worry about so much and donate to causes when they can barely pay their rent and often don't even have enough groceries for the week for themselves...I don't know how these kids are going to survive long-term. They're just being used by everyone.

Advertisers and other manipulators have learned that guilt is one of the most powerful weapons in the human arsenal. Guilt people into buying products (You must buy this dish soap because we use a tiny fraction of our profits to clean waterfowl! You have to buy this product, we have 'organic' or 'green' in the title!). Guilt people into changing their lifestyle and habits. Guilt people into willingly giving up their rights. Guilt people into accepting less than what they deserve.

It's funny you mention celebrities. Those are some of the biggest manipulators. They like to act like 'regular Joes,' while telling everyone else to give, give, give. The money celebs donate returns to them tenfold in the form of tax breaks, additional career opportunities, free publicity, and new fans who buy their products. Heck, if every celeb in Hollywood only kept 10 mil of their net worth and donated the rest....that alone would solve world hunger. Warren Buffet himself could solve world hunger, world poverty, and give the children of the world free education through high school, and still have millions left over. Yet, the 1% club still points the finger at the regular Joes and shames us into donating our pennies.

I'm telling ya, it's Animal Farm on this planet. Sweet-talking pigs getting the rest of us peons to volunteer to become slaves thinking we're helping the farm, when in reality we're just making things easier for the pigs.

It's great to have empathy...but too much empathy is just as bad as no empathy. Balance...all about balance.

Firstly... where the hell do you live where all kids feel that way. Secondly... what type of celebs do you know that tell others to give, lol.

You're talking about money. I ain't talking about money. Giving money is the cheapest way to show human empathy. Time and contact is the most powerful agent to better human connection and awareness/sympathy. I'm talking about people making a difference in local communities, hosting activities, leading park clean-ups, library activity events that are can't miss, help/feed the homeless etc...

This "give money to help others" just reinforces the significance of money as the most important asset in the world... which it isn't. Yea, it's so important but I've seen heard of seen millionaires/billionaires kill themselves because they weren't happy or satisfied.

If you give a homeless guy 2 bucks to each lunch he'll come back for more money, if you bring him over to your house for dinner and show him compassion he'll rethink his life and eventually want to become like you.

People have the wrong idea of how to better the world nowadays. I agree that pigs are telling the world how to behave and that's cause everyone is selfish they admire the pigs because of their fame and wealth rather than their manipulation and selfish outlook.

People may say, "wtf why should I waste my time to improve someone else's" but I read a study in uni that says helping others actually is one of the best feelings to one's heart and makes him feel very accomplished. Also brings closer human contact which tends to keep the individual happier. Makes community stronger and everyone feels better sense of welcomed security.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

Well said.



Firstly... where the hell do you live where all kids feel that way. Secondly... what type of celebs do you know that tell others to give, lol.

You're talking about money. I ain't talking about money. Giving money is the cheapest way to show human empathy. Time and contact is the most powerful agent to better human connection and awareness/sympathy. I'm talking about people making a difference in local communities, hosting activities, leading park clean-ups, library activity events that are can't miss, help/feed the homeless etc...

This "give money to help others" just reinforces the significance of money as the most important asset in the world... which it isn't. Yea, it's so important but I've seen heard of seen millionaires/billionaires kill themselves because they weren't happy or satisfied.

If you give a homeless guy 2 bucks to each lunch he'll come back for more money, if you bring him over to your house for dinner and show him compassion he'll rethink his life and eventually want to become like you.

People have the wrong idea of how to better the world nowadays. I agree that pigs are telling the world how to behave and that's cause everyone is selfish they admire the pigs because of their fame and wealth rather than their manipulation and selfish outlook.

People may say, "wtf why should I waste my time to improve someone else's" but I read a study in uni that says helping others actually is one of the best feelings to one's heart and makes him feel very accomplished. Also brings closer human contact which tends to keep the individual happier. Makes community stronger and everyone feels better sense of welcomed security.

Well said, man. People are social animals because we don't have the physical strength to be alone. We were designed to be in packs, and we should be doing things to help each other, and not just ourselves.

I think one of the biggest reasons we are lacking real empathy is because we have a real social disconnect with the poor. We don't believe we are the same as someone who is struggling, and anytime someone says they're having a hard time we either try to one-up them by telling them how hard our lives are, or by diminishing the value of their hardships.

That's why when people experience being poor, even for a day while on vacation, their outlook usually drastically changes.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Well said, man. People are social animals because we don't have the physical strength to be alone. We were designed to be in packs, and we should be doing things to help each other, and not just ourselves.

I think one of the biggest reasons we are lacking real empathy is because we have a real social disconnect with the poor. We don't believe we are the same as someone who is struggling, and anytime someone says they're having a hard time we either try to one-up them by telling them how hard our lives are, or by diminishing the value of their hardships.

That's why when people experience being poor, even for a day while on vacation, their outlook usually drastically changes.

Agreed on everything. The bold is especially key. Even when offering assistance we still try to find a way to get something out of it for us. For example, so much people posting videos on youtube now showing how they're helping the poor. Sure it could be nice to show an example but all are ending up doing now is so people view THEM as generous and kind and a great person rather than feeling like they want to go out and help the poor themselves.

No one does anything good anymore unless they gotta video tape it. First thing that pops in their mind. I'm not saying everyone's like that but God damn it's everywhere.

People should help others when no one is looking first and foremost, that's what we aren't taught as much. Everything is for attention and to improve one's self image.

 

[Icelevel]

what is progress?

 

[Caeldan]

what is progress?

prog·ress
noun
noun: progress
ˈprägrəs,ˈprägˌres,ˈprōˌgres/

1.
forward or onward movement toward a destination.
"the darkness did not stop my progress"
synonyms: forward movement, advance, going, progression, headway, passage More
"boulders made progress difficult"
advance or development toward a better, more complete, or more modern condition.
"we are making progress toward equal rights"
synonyms: development, advance, advancement, headway, step(s) forward; More
improvement, betterment, growth
"scientific progress"
Britisharchaic
a state journey or official tour, especially by royalty.
plural noun: progresses

verb
verb: progress; 3rd person present: progresses; past tense: progressed; past participle: progressed; gerund or present participle: progressing
prəˈgres/

1.
move forward or onward in space or time.
"as the century progressed, the quality of telescopes improved"
synonyms: go, make one's way, move, move forward, go forward, proceed, advance, go on, continue, make headway, work one's way More
"they progressed slowly down the road"
advance or develop toward a better, more complete, or more modern state.
"work on the pond is progressing"
synonyms: develop, make progress, advance, make headway, take steps forward, move on, get on, gain ground; More
improve, get better, come on, come along, make strides;
thrive, prosper, blossom, flourish;
informalbe getting there
"the school has progressed rapidly"
antonyms: regress
Astrology
calculate the position of (a planet) or of all the planets and coordinates of (a chart) according to the technique of progression.

Origin
late Middle English (as a noun): from Latin progressus ‘an advance,’ from the verb progredi, from pro- ‘forward’ + gradi ‘to walk.’

 

[saskriders]

So me and two other people are behind the counter at work, and the GM comes down and asks a question. I start to say something to answer, and he just passive aggressively says "hey! I'm not talking to you"

What a dick. I swear it must be a quality you need to be a GM

 

[Bileur]

So me and two other people are behind the counter at work, and the GM comes down and asks a question. I start to say something to answer, and he just passive aggressively says "hey! I'm not talking to you"

What a dick. I swear it must be a quality you need to be a GM

I don't think that's passive aggressive. That's aggressive aggressive.

 

[bacon25]

I think Spooky Mormon Hell Dream was my favourite as well. The Mormon advertising was pretty hilarious. There were a couple of guys dressed as elders last night in front of me and I wasn't sure whether they were real or just dressing up to be cheeky. My friends and I couldn't agree on a consensus. Dunno why you'd want to see this if you were a Mormon though.

Strangley enough, the South Park guys are actually fairly pro-Mormon, if I can put it that way. I've heard that quite a few LDS members like the show. Trey Parker and Matt Stone have always had a cheeky sense of humour when it comes to Mormons.

 

[saskriders]

Seeing Sens fans in Calgary is the best

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Strangley enough, the South Park guys are actually fairly pro-Mormon, if I can put it that way. I've heard that quite a few LDS members like the show. Trey Parker and Matt Stone have always had a cheeky sense of humour when it comes to Mormons.

Well, I'm Canadian and I like the show. They rip on Canada all the time, I have a sense of humour. You can pretty much apply that to any fan of the show, they haven't really spared anyone.

I don't know how "pro - Mormon" they are but they did write a musical in which a boy desperate for attention makes up his own bible stories to convince desperate and poor souls to follow him as a prophet. . . Kinda like the self proclaimed prophet of the Church of LDS. It's difficult to see anyone who truly believes seeing that as a positive message. Doesn't mean they're not "pro Mormon" but that is difficult to see from an outsiders perspective. It's definitely not a positive representation of the religion. They go from comparing the elders to infomercial salesmen to acknowledging the deeply racist roots of the book.

 

[Harbinger]

Sniper rifles in bf4 blow.

 

[Quo]

If you see any interviews with Parker and Stone about the Book of Mormon they inevitably state that their intention is never to take faith down a peg. They may be atheists but they don't hate religion or religious people - bit of the opposite actually, respecting the people who do chose them without necessarily respecting the details thereof. Just silly fun.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Well said.



Firstly... where the hell do you live where all kids feel that way. Secondly... what type of celebs do you know that tell others to give, lol.

You're talking about money. I ain't talking about money. Giving money is the cheapest way to show human empathy. Time and contact is the most powerful agent to better human connection and awareness/sympathy. I'm talking about people making a difference in local communities, hosting activities, leading park clean-ups, library activity events that are can't miss, help/feed the homeless etc...

This "give money to help others" just reinforces the significance of money as the most important asset in the world... which it isn't. Yea, it's so important but I've seen heard of seen millionaires/billionaires kill themselves because they weren't happy or satisfied.

If you give a homeless guy 2 bucks to each lunch he'll come back for more money, if you bring him over to your house for dinner and show him compassion he'll rethink his life and eventually want to become like you.

People have the wrong idea of how to better the world nowadays. I agree that pigs are telling the world how to behave and that's cause everyone is selfish they admire the pigs because of their fame and wealth rather than their manipulation and selfish outlook.

People may say, "wtf why should I waste my time to improve someone else's" but I read a study in uni that says helping others actually is one of the best feelings to one's heart and makes him feel very accomplished. Also brings closer human contact which tends to keep the individual happier. Makes community stronger and everyone feels better sense of welcomed security.

I'm not talking just about money. And I'm not talking about living in a bubble and not helping those around you.

I'm talking about the manipulation by the elites towards the rest of us, using guilt (among other things) to keep us where we are.

The problems of poverty, lack of education and medical care are easily solvable. There's more than enough money & resources out there. The elites simply don't want to lose their grip of power & wealth.

Now obviously the things you suggested, by helping others directly, is the best way to go. I don't see anyone out there not helping their neighbors in need.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

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I don't know how "pro - Mormon" they are but they did write a musical in which a boy desperate for attention makes up his own bible stories to convince desperate and poor souls to follow him as a prophet. . . Kinda like the self proclaimed prophet of the Church of LDS. It's difficult to see anyone who truly believes seeing that as a positive message. Doesn't mean they're not "pro Mormon" but that is difficult to see from an outsiders perspective. It's definitely not a positive representation of the religion. They go from comparing the elders to infomercial salesmen to acknowledging the deeply racist roots of the book.

Saw the show this week and I thought it was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

And, also don't see how they can be "pro Mormon". To me the show is about as scathing as it could possibly be in its criticism of that religion.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

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You're talking about money. I ain't talking about money. Giving money is the cheapest way to show human empathy. Time and contact is the most powerful agent to better human connection and awareness/sympathy.

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To be fair, this entire thread on helping people was initially about Canadian tax dollars going overseas.

 

[Mr Invidious]

I feel like a horrible human being right now.

I just found out that someone who basically pretended to be a friend before stealing things from me and making a fool out of me when we were younger passed away from an apparent drug overdose (from what I'm hearing).

First thought: natural selection. Peace out.

Am I the biggest piece of **** or what?

 

[Benjamin]

I feel like a horrible human being right now.

I just found out that someone who basically pretended to be a friend before stealing things from me and making a fool out of me when we were younger passed away from an apparent drug overdose (from what I'm hearing).

First thought: natural selection. Peace out.

Am I the biggest piece of **** or what?

Nope. Nothing wrong with thinking that. Sounds like the type of person the worlds better without.

 

[McManked]

I feel like a horrible human being right now.

I just found out that someone who basically pretended to be a friend before stealing things from me and making a fool out of me when we were younger passed away from an apparent drug overdose (from what I'm hearing).

First thought: natural selection. Peace out.

Am I the biggest piece of **** or what?

I find it interesting.

Out of all the people from our school who have died since Grade 9 (up until now), I guess the only comforting piece of information is that everyone who has died did something that put them in danger themselves.

This also sounds terrible, but I find it a lot easier to deal with something like that than with someone who loses their life to a freak accident. I mean even though there have been almost half a dozen schoolmates that have died in that time, some of which I knew, by far the most upsetting one to me was the guy in Nepean who died after the explosion at his school. I never knew him, but the fact that he had no fault in it was what really got to me.

 

[bacon25]

Well, I'm Canadian and I like the show. They rip on Canada all the time, I have a sense of humour. You can pretty much apply that to any fan of the show, they haven't really spared anyone.

I don't know how "pro - Mormon" they are but they did write a musical in which a boy desperate for attention makes up his own bible stories to convince desperate and poor souls to follow him as a prophet. . . Kinda like the self proclaimed prophet of the Church of LDS. It's difficult to see anyone who truly believes seeing that as a positive message. Doesn't mean they're not "pro Mormon" but that is difficult to see from an outsiders perspective. It's definitely not a positive representation of the religion. They go from comparing the elders to infomercial salesmen to acknowledging the deeply racist roots of the book.

The play, like South Park is more satirical than factual, focusing on stereotypes which are amusing. I am sure a more factual interpretation would be much less entertaining. I said they are more pro mormon because they tend to have a more positive view of the LDS faith than someone like bill maher.