OT: Sens Lounge - Golf season edition

[Golden_Jet]

So what's your stance on global warming?

Posters on a global island, thinks ice caps are melting because more people drink liquor drinks now than before probably.

 

[milkbag]

Anyone ever golf Lac St Marie? Playing that track this weekend

 

[Golden_Jet]

Anyone ever golf Lac St Marie? Playing that track this weekend

Not me sorry, played Tremblant courses though.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

There is an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that refutes your point of view but you, like the typical boomer you are, get your info from cherry picked youtube videos that act as an echo chamber for your opinions.

I think the mindset is more reflective of someone who is a far right conservative versus a boomer. I know each generation seems to feel the need for a scapegoat, but protecting the environment, global warming, reducing pollution has been a widespread concern and thing for the last 50 years.

 

[milkbag]

I think the mindset is more reflective of someone who is a far right conservative versus a boomer. I know each generation seems to feel the need for a scapegoat, but protecting the environment, global warming, reducing pollution has been a widespread concern and thing for the last 50 years.

And the amount of boomers who are right-leaning are far greater than the younger generations. This isn't me finding a generational scapegoat, it's just a fact of life.

I'm not saying ALL of them are, no offense intended if you're in that age group and do not feel that way.

 

[Golden_Jet]

And the amount of boomers who are right-leaning are far greater than the younger generations. This isn't me finding a generational scapegoat, it's just a fact of life.

I'm not saying ALL of them are, no offense intended if you're in that age group and do not feel that way.

I’d disagree with that tbh. At least ones that I know, or friends know. I’d agree with howehullorr more.

 

[Micklebot]

can’t see the difference between the prediction of it disappearing and the fact that the ozone layer is still in existence?


By the way, I did not write that note, in case you think I did

This is such a logic fail...


Claim: Without intervention x will happen,

Response: X didn't happen so that's proof intervention wasn't needed.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

And the amount of boomers who are right-leaning are far greater than the younger generations. This isn't me finding a generational scapegoat, it's just a fact of life.

I'm not saying ALL of them are, no offense intended if you're in that age group and do not feel that way.

I'd like to see some raw data on that & think you are wrong.

-> Given that both liberal/Democratic and conservative/Republican governments seem to take turns getting elected, I'd guess on that basis, its probably close to an even split with a slight edge to the left if anything (perhaps). This has been the trend for several decades. That's applying common sense to the equation in my mind versus relying on stereotypes.

-> Further, Department of Environments were created around 1970. The Clean Air Act was enacted as an example in 1970. Creation of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was part of the response to growing public concern and a grass roots movement to "do something" about the deteriorating conditions of water, air, and land. The EPA was also created in 1970.

Although this is anecdotal and is to be taken as an aside (versus the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs), most of the boomers I know were pro protecting the environment, legalizing marijuana and many other left leaning things as far as their morality went. In my case, my father (who is in his late nineties) influenced me to plant trees, collect water samples and many other things many decades ago, and we did this on a volunteer basis.

I would only hope that somehow we can get past stereotypes and the hive mentality that seems so prevalent that holds us back.

 

[Stylizer1]

I'd like to see some raw data on that & think you are wrong.

Given that both liberal/Democratic and conservative/Republican governments seem to take turns getting elected, I'd guess on that basis, its probably close to an even split with a slight edge to the left if anything (perhaps). This has been the trend for several decades. That's applying common sense to the equation in my mind versus relying on stereotypes.

Although this is anecdotal, most of the boomers I know were pro protecting the environment, legalizing marijuana and many other left leaning things as far as their morality went. In my case, my father (who is in his late nineties) influenced me to plant trees, collect water samples and many other things many decades ago, and we did this on a volunteer basis.

I would only hope that somehow we can get past stereotypes and the hive mentality that seems so prevalent that holds us back.

Labeling people as right or left just because of what they think is lazy.

 

[milkbag]

I'd like to see some raw data on that & think you are wrong.

Given that both liberal/Democratic and conservative/Republican governments seem to take turns getting elected, I'd guess on that basis, its probably close to an even split with a slight edge to the left if anything (perhaps). This has been the trend for several decades. That's applying common sense to the equation in my mind versus relying on stereotypes.

Further, Department of Environments were created in around 1970 if I recall correctly. The Clean Air Act as an example in 1970.

Although this is anecdotal, most of the boomers I know were pro protecting the environment, legalizing marijuana and many other left leaning things as far as their morality went. In my case, my father (who is in his late nineties) influenced me to plant trees, collect water samples and many other things many decades ago, and we did this on a volunteer basis.

I would only hope that somehow we can get past stereotypes and the hive mentality that seems so prevalent that holds us back.

Raw data on actual voter demographics is difficult to obtain outside of turnout. Im sure you know that already.

There are more than several opinion polls out there though (which should always be taken with a grain of salt), that are enough for me to suggest confidently that the 55+ age group on average is far more conservative.

Any time I bring this up though, there's always atleast one who gets all huffy and says WELL NO WE AREN'T! because of anecdotal evidence from their lives. I get it, nobody likes having their age group singled out.

Don't take it personally though, I certainly didn't when my age group was eating tide pods.

 

[Micklebot]

that it is not being driven by human activity as the alarmists have been trying to convince us of for about 30 years now…. Especially when the was a 20 consecutive year stretch in there, when the globe did not warm, and basically plateaued….

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Wow, cherry picked data relatively speaking short period from a long term trend... Why am I not surprised you'd post a debunked and misleading claim

 

[Golden_Jet]

Raw data on actual voter demographics is difficult to obtain outside of turnout. Im sure you know that already.

There are more than several opinion polls out there though (which should always be taken with a grain of salt), that are enough for me to suggest confidently that the 55+ age group on average is far more conservative.

Any time I bring this up though, there's always atleast one who gets all huffy and says WELL NO WE AREN'T! because of anecdotal evidence from their lives. I get it, nobody likes having their age group singled out.

Don't take it personally though, I certainly didn't when my age group was eating tide pods.

I’d would say the exact opposite of that.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Raw data on actual voter demographics is difficult to obtain outside of turnout. Im sure you know that already.

There are more than several opinion polls out there though (which should always be taken with a grain of salt), that are enough for me to suggest confidently that the 55+ age group on average is far more conservative.

Any time I bring this up though, there's always atleast one who gets all huffy and says WELL NO WE AREN'T! because of anecdotal evidence from their lives. I get it, nobody likes having their age group singled out.

Don't take it personally though, I certainly didn't when my age group was eating tide pods.

If you read all of my post (I edited and added), there was far more than anecdotal evidence. The 2nd & 3rd paragraph's focused on this and delineated several facts and points on this. You can't use the excuse of anecdotal evidence or someone getting huffy.

Younger generations have often (regularly even) blamed the problems and ills of the world on preceding generations. This is nothing new unfortunately. I'll go with more hard facts versus stereotypes because that has always served me well in the past and would hope this more rational approach will prevail.

 

[milkbag]

I’d would say the exact opposite of that.

You truly believe that Boomers are actually known as the left leaning more liberal generation compared to the others?

If you read all of my post (I edited and added), there was far more than anecdotal evidence. The 2nd & 3rd paragraph's focused on this and delineated several facts and points on this. You can't use the excuse of anecdotal evidence or someone getting huffy.

Younger generations have often (regularly even) blamed the problems and ills of the world on preceding generations. This is nothing new unfortunately. I'll go with more hard facts versus stereotypes because that has always served me well in the past and would hope this more rational approach will prevail.

My original argument is and has always been that the Boomer generation is more conservative than the others. Let's not move the goalposts.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You truly believe that Boomers are actually known as the left leaning more liberal generation compared to the others?

Yes, 100%
Retirees want their pensions, etc protected, or cost of living raises on their CPP, OAS and whatever else they get.

What I’ve seen is conservatives raise retirement age and fight against raises to the elderly.

Anyways I’m done your getting political, I believe your wrong as others do,

 

[HoweHullOrr]

You truly believe that Boomers are actually known as the left leaning more liberal generation compared to the others?


My original argument is and has always been that the Boomer generation is more conservative than the others. Let's not move the goalposts.

I can read and know what your "original argument" was.

You're presenting personal values and opinions as facts.

I think doing more research to determine when Dept. of Environments were created, the movement towards environmental protection both on the grass roots and on a legislative perspective would be informative. I think we've run this to ground and it's time to move on.

 

[milkbag]

I can read and know what your "original argument" was.

You're presenting personal values and opinions as facts.

I think doing more research to determine when Dept. of Environments were created, the movement towards environmental protection both on the grass roots and on a legislative perspective would be informative. I think we've run this to ground and it's time to move on.

Let's be real here man, you saw the word "boomer" and you saw red. In no way was I suggesting there were 0 initiatives towards the climate when you were
coming of age, nor was I suggesting your generation is solely responsible, because that would be ridiculous.

I called a guy a "typical boomer" because, whether you like it or not, your generation is known to be typically conservative.

Yes, 100%
Retirees want their pensions, etc protected, or cost of living raises on their CPP, OAS and whatever else they get.

What I’ve seen is conservatives raise retirement age and fight against raises to the elderly.

Anyways I’m done your getting political, I believe your wrong as others do,

Hilariously out of touch.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Let's be real here man, you saw the word "boomer" and you saw red. In no way was I suggesting there were 0 initiatives towards the climate when you were
coming of age, nor was I suggesting your generation is solely responsible, because that would be ridiculous.

I called a guy a "typical boomer" because, whether you like it or not, your generation is known to be typically conservative.


Hilariously out of touch.

Lmao, says the person with a theory, and no stats to prove point, but keeps spewing it as fact,

 

[UglyPuckling]

I'd like to see some raw data on that & think you are wrong.

-> Given that both liberal/Democratic and conservative/Republican governments seem to take turns getting elected, I'd guess on that basis, its probably close to an even split with a slight edge to the left if anything (perhaps). This has been the trend for several decades. That's applying common sense to the equation in my mind versus relying on stereotypes.

-> Further, Department of Environments were created around 1970. The Clean Air Act was enacted as an example in 1970. Creation of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was part of the response to growing public concern and a grass roots movement to "do something" about the deteriorating conditions of water, air, and land. The EPA was also created in 1970.

Although this is anecdotal and is to be taken as an aside (versus the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs), most of the boomers I know were pro protecting the environment, legalizing marijuana and many other left leaning things as far as their morality went. In my case, my father (who is in his late nineties) influenced me to plant trees, collect water samples and many other things many decades ago, and we did this on a volunteer basis.

I would only hope that somehow we can get past stereotypes and the hive mentality that seems so prevalent that holds us back.

You are right that the environmental movement started back then (1970s).

People's opinions, whether political or moral, are often (not always) inherited from their parents. I don't think one generation was overwhelmingly conservative or liberal. It seems that both parties have been elected over the years and in years past versus just one. I'd think it would be more evenly split. I'd like to see more real data on that of course, but election results seem to indicate that.

 

[2CHAINZ]

So does voting conservative just automatically make you a racist climate denier? And does being a boomer just automatically make you a conservative?

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

As a guy who is 58 (which actually makes me Gen X, but no matter), I would say:

- as you get older you continue to learn about and understand people to a greater and greater degree. I look back and can’t believe how naive and foolish I was in my 20s and 30s . Really didn’t understand peoples motivations, their neuroses, their character flaws.

- an outcome of the above point is that you are increasingly skeptical of any research or study… and in my case the source is irrelevant (academia, private sector, public sector - all equally dubious). I have a pretty strong background in math (statistics in particular) so I will look closely at the data and analysis in a study that suggests a conclusion that I’m leery of.

- you do get more conservative as you get older. (Although I’ve read that it’s not because you get older, it’s because you take on more responsibilities: job, marriage, house, kids, grandkids…. Each of which pushes you further into the miserly hoarding of your money mindset.) So, boomers probably are more conservative, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t liberal when they were in their twenties…. And probably millennials will be pretty conservative when they hit 60.

 

[2CHAINZ]

As a guy who is 58 (which actually makes me Gen X, but no matter), I would say:

- as you get older you continue to learn about and understand people to a greater and greater degree. I look back and can’t believe how naive and foolish I was in my 20s and 30s . Really didn’t understand peoples motivations, their neuroses, their character flaws.

- an outcome of the above point is that you are increasingly skeptical of any research or study… and in my case the source is irrelevant (academia, private sector, public sector - all equally dubious). I have a pretty strong background in math (statistics in particular) so I will look closely at the data and analysis in a study that suggests a conclusion that I’m leery of.

- you do get more conservative as you get older. (Although I’ve read that it’s not because you get older, it’s because you take on more responsibilities: job, marriage, house, kids, grandkids…. Each of which pushes you further into the miserly hoarding of your money mindset.) So, boomers probably are more conservative, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t liberal when they were in their twenties…. And probably millennials will be pretty conservative when they hit 60.

Tell me what it was like to Party in the 80's

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Tell me what it was like to Party in the 80's

Imagine Miami Vice meets Frankie Goes To Hollywood meets the first Mad Max movie.

That was pretty much the decade for me.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Imagine Miami Vice meets Frankie Goes To Hollywood meets the first Mad Max movie.

That was pretty much the decade for me.

This is the shit I want to hear about. I don't give a f*** about politics.

 

[Big Muddy]

As a guy who is 58 (which actually makes me Gen X, but no matter), I would say:

- as you get older you continue to learn about and understand people to a greater and greater degree. I look back and can’t believe how naive and foolish I was in my 20s and 30s . Really didn’t understand peoples motivations, their neuroses, their character flaws.

- an outcome of the above point is that you are increasingly skeptical of any research or study… and in my case the source is irrelevant (academia, private sector, public sector - all equally dubious). I have a pretty strong background in math (statistics in particular) so I will look closely at the data and analysis in a study that suggests a conclusion that I’m leery of.

- you do get more conservative as you get older. (Although I’ve read that it’s not because you get older, it’s because you take on more responsibilities: job, marriage, house, kids, grandkids…. Each of which pushes you further into the miserly hoarding of your money mindset.) So, boomers probably are more conservative, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t liberal when they were in their twenties…. And probably millennials will be pretty conservative when they hit 60.

If you work for decades, you probably would want to keep your head above water and be able to pay for things when you're older and not working as well. This is a practical, survival type of instinct & so I'm not sure that equates to being conservative.

I agree that everything in life is cyclical. To quote: "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."

Its a reflection on how one's perspective and understanding of the world can change over time. As we age and gain more life experience, we may come to see things in a different light and realize that our previous beliefs and perspectives were not as complete or accurate as we once thought. In this way, we are "younger" in our understanding and outlook than we were before

You can't discount how things will evolve over time for all generations, even for those that are younger now.