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Couldn't agree with you more!!! haters will hate no matter what I guess!What does this scouting staff have to do to earn the benefit of the doubt? I mean what's the realistic success rate people expect from our draft picks that satisfies this fanbase?
Look at the haul of prospects they've brought in in the last few years: Formenton, Batherson, Tkachuk, JBD, Crookshank, Mandolese, Thomson, Pinto, Sogaard, Stutzle, Sanderson, Greig, Kleven, Sokolov, Merilainen in addition to identifying Brannstrom and Norris in trades.
7 of the guys listed are already in the NHL with 5 more 1-2 years away and the others potentially in that timeframe too
Daigle and Stefan played around 500 games, were they good picks or do the hall of gamers chosen after then play into the determination?Cody Ceci going to play in the NHL a long time. He’ll find a home and play hundreds more games, good pick
Daigle and Stefan played around 500 games, were they good picks or do the hall of gamers chosen after then play into the determination?
they were first overall and Ceci wasn’t so let’s start there with expectations and face of franchise stuff. Cody Ceci isn’t a face of your franchise type of guy so we’re equating completely different things. Nobody expects Lassi Thomson to have the same impact as Tim Stutzle, maybe he does but expectations are a big part of this.
I think if you look at Cecis draft he’s had a decent career and would warrant where he was picked more or less
would you rather have Nail Yakupov or Alex Galchenyuk or Codi Ceci?
I'd rather Hertl, Wilson Teravainen or Vasilevski who were the next 4 picks.
Guys bust in the 1st round, not every pick is good, Ceci wasn't terrible, because he did play, but he also wasn't terribly good. He was the equivalent of hitting a foul ball. You didn't strike out but it also doesn't really get you anywhere.
The guys I listed are still playing too. Picked right after him. Should we compare their resumes?He is still playing he is actually a decent pick, you dont Have reasonable expectations.
The guys I listed are still playing too. Picked right after him. Should we compare their resumes?
That would be pointless because drafts differ from one another. I don't begrudge us for selecting Phillips because guys like Crosby, McDavid and Lemieux were taken in that spot.No you should compare it to every single player in history taken in that spot
That would be pointless because drafts differ from one another. I don't begrudge us for selecting Phillips because guys like Crosby, McDavid and Lemieux were taken in that spot.
Look, my expectation is that draft picks are never sure things, there will be hits and misses regardless of where you draft. Ceci though doesn't move the needle either way. I'm neither going to praise or chastise the team for the selection, he was, as I said earlier, a foul ball. Better luck next time, that one was in the sweet spot but we didn't get enought of it. Didn't hurt (much) but didn't help. It happens.
The whole point though is that whether a pick was good, bad, or in between lies in the alternative. If no better option was available, it can't be a bad pick even if the player busts, if loads of talent was passed on even if that player has a 500+ game career, it could be a miss.
Well it's a scouts job to know the character of these kids too, that's why they talk to coaches and interview these kids.Without knowing what guys are going to hit the roids or what guys will party away their potential it’s impossible to always pick the best player and unreasonable to expect it
A guy could dislike the city or other guys in the locker room and not develop as well as he would have somewhere else.
Well it's a scouts job to know the character of these kids too, that's why they talk to coaches and interview these kids.
That said, nowhere did I say I expect perfection. But we can still look back in retrospect and identify which picks were hits, misses and in between. Every team has misses, and every team has meh picks. Ceci was a meh pick. Nothing wrong with admitting that.
I don't get what your asking.
I said that they are pretty much the best scouting staff in the past 15 yrs and so far people have twisted the rest of what I said to imply that they aren't good at scouting...because they have yet to pick perfectly and have made some mistakes.
Aside from Tampa, I don't think anyone else can even touch Ottawa's drafting record.
Suddenly Ceci is a good player and pick?
Did hell freeze over while I was asleep?
You do not need any character at all. It is 21 century now. Beside the best success Sens had with only three elite all stars Spezza, Heatley and Alfredsson and a decent goalie and physical defense with Redden, Chara and Volchenkov. Thats's the ticket to the Stanley Cup final. And every god damn team does it. Dorion as just an idiot as he does not get it, or restricted by the budget. Drafting another god damn it a utility player. The whole Belleville team is full of them.
Well it's a scouts job to know the character of these kids too, that's why they talk to coaches and interview these kids.
That said, nowhere did I say I expect perfection. But we can still look back in retrospect and identify which picks were hits, misses and in between. Every team has misses, and every team has meh picks. Ceci was a meh pick. Nothing wrong with admitting that.
No you should compare it to every single player in history taken in that spot
Ceci's played over 500 NHL games and 20+ minutes a night in playoff games. He's a miss, but Logan Stanley is a decent NHLer?
Colin White is a miss (33 G and 88 P in 200 GP) but Jack Roslovic is not (38G, 101P in 228 GP)?
Shane Bowers and Kristian Vesailainen were taken in the same draft and neither is an NHLer, or trending to be an NHLer. I'll give Noesen and Puempel as misses.
no..a solid 6-7 guys would be ahead of him. He is at best the 5th or 6th best Dman from that draft class. If redrafted, he would still go in the area of 15.Ceci has played the 4th most NHL games out of anyone taken in the 1st round of his draft class. He's played 8 NHL seasons and in 6 of those, he's been top 4 in minutes amongst defenseman on his team.
He's on track to play 1000 games in the NHL.
He may have been a whipping boy here in Ottawa, but at #15, he's a good pick.
In a re-draft of the 2012 first, he'd go in the top 10.
1. Vasilevskiy
2. Forsberg
3. Trouba
4. Rielly
5. Wilson
6. Hertl
7. Dumba
8. Teravainen
9. Ceci
no..a solid 6-7 guys would be ahead of him. He is at best the 5th or 6th best Dman from that draft class. If redrafted, he would still go in the area of 15.
The problem...your #1, #5, $6 and #8 went after him..and. One has won 2 cups and is a rock star. One has won 1 cup and when he is not loosing his head is a much valued player and the 2 others are rock solid NHL 2 liners.
The "Ceci" is a 4-5 Dman on his 3rd team, while only 27. Even the analytics guys blasted him..read the article posted in the "hiring of McGuire thread".