Prospect Info: Senators Prospect Talk 2014-2015 Part I

[Micklebot]

Perrons build will not allow it. He has a body type like Mike Ribero.

RNH was about 164 when drafted, he's up to 185 now at 21yrs old. I could see him hitting 195 in his mid 20's.

Is Perron's build that different than RNH? I just remember thinking RNH was a bean pole when he was drafted.

 

[Hossa18]

RNH was about 164 when drafted, he's up to 185 now at 21yrs old. I could see him hitting 195 in his mid 20's.

Is Perron's build that different than RNH? I just remember thinking RNH was a bean pole when he was drafted.

I agree with you......not sure why that quote is under my name......weird

 

[BondraTime]

I have never seen him in person so I can't dispute what you are saying.

Think a smaller, shorter Patrick Wiercioch. Wiercioch is skinner, but has a bigger body frame. Perron just doesn't have the frame to put on a large amount of weight and remain in shape.

I've seen him a few times this year, I would say 165 is stretching it.

 

[OgieO]

This thread is on the fritz!

 

[Xspyrit]

I'm guessing the first 10 maybe make the NHL, but not so sure about the next 10.

1. Matt Puempel
2. Nick Paul
3. Fredrick Claesson
4. Buddy Robinson
5. Tobias Lindberg
6. Ben Harpur
7. Marcus Hogberg
8. Cole Schneider
9. Derek Grant
10. Shane Prince

11. Quinton Shore
12. Ryan Dzingel
13. Vincent Dunn
14. Mikael Wikstrand
15. Max McCormick
16. Andreas Englund
17. Alex Guptill
18. Francis Perron
19. Chris Driedger
20. Robert Baillargeon

ARAGORN... That list is bad.

I'm curious... Who do Prince and Puempel remind you of stylistically compared to current NHL players?

Only one i could think for Puempel was Neal and i couldnt think of one for Prince.

Good question

Prince : Tomas Tatar or Jiri Tlusty

Puempel : Mike Cammalleri or Patrick Sharp or Matt Moulson?

Not easy until they play in the NHL, and even then, every player is unique. For Puempel, for now I'd say a taller Cammalleri with some Sharp qualities but most likely a player like Matt Moulson. For Puempel, don't expect him to score as many goals as Tatar though, he's more a playmaker

Calvert for Prince is a good comparison too but Prince has a lot more offensive skill

I can't really think of one for Puempel but I've always thought, and said, that Prince will be similar to Jason Pominville.

Great comparison. That would be his peak though.

I must admit that I am disappointed with both Peumpel and Prince. At this point, I can`t see either being top 6 players.

lol I have no idea what this is based on. Stats? Or fact that they didn't get their chance with Ottawa at this point?

 

[Benttheknee]

lol I have no idea what this is based on. Stats? Or fact that they didn't get their chance with Ottawa at this point?

Rather than stepping up and leading Bingo both Peumple and Prince have struggled. That is not a good sign.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Rather than stepping up and leading Bingo both Peumple and Prince have struggled. That is not a good sign.

Puempel scored 30. Thirty. In his rookie season. And prince has been bingos best player this year outside wideman.. He was invited to the all star game. What else do you need.

 

[Savitar]

Puempel scored 30. Thirty. In his rookie season. And prince has been bingos best player this year outside wideman.. He was invited to the all star game. What else do you need.

Ya I'm surprised! Prince is NHL Ready Now! Puempel might be but I'd rather him finish the year. Prince is a year ahead of them though even though Prince is a 1992 HES only 60 days older than Puempel who has a January 1993 birthday. But since this is Princes 3rd AHL season, AHL AllStar, One of Bingos better players. He deserves a call up once we dump some older players for picks at the deadline

 

[SaltyPete]

Rather than stepping up and leading Bingo both Peumple and Prince have struggled. That is not a good sign.

Prince 2013-2014: 21G and 27A in 69 Games played. PPG of 0.71
Prince 2014-2015: 15G and 18A in 41 Games played. PPG of 0.80

Puempel 2013-2014: 30G and 18A in 74 Games played. PPG of 0.65
Puempel 2014-2015: 11G and 16A in 43 Games played. PPG of 0.63

I think you're being overly critical of these guys. It's tough to step up and lead a team that lost its two best offensive players and one of its best defenceman, especially for a couple of 22 year-olds.

 

[Xspyrit]

Rather than stepping up and leading Bingo both Peumple and Prince have struggled. That is not a good sign.

I can understand your POV but at the same time it means that you had pretty heavy expectations for both of them

Look at Mike Hoffman

1st AHL season (21 y/o) : 74 Games 7 Goals 18 Assists 25 Points -22 (and even 4 games in the ECHL)
2nd AHL season (22 y/o) : 76 Games 21 Goals 28 Assists 49 Points -18
3rd AHL season (23 y/o) : 41 Games 13 Goals 15 Assists 28 Points +9 (52 pts pace over 76 games)

Then he broke out at 24 y/o

Now what makes you think that Puempel and Prince have struggled? They are both very young playing on a struggling AHL team who lost players like Ceci and ppg forwards like Stone, Hoffman, Pageau and Da Costa since last season... Which team would survive that?

Shane Prince

1st AHL season (20 y/o) : 65 Games 18 Goals 17 Assists 35 Points +12
2nd AHL season (21 y/o) : 69 Games 21 Goals 27 Assists 48 Points +23
3rd AHL season (22 y/o) : 41 Games 15 Goals 18 Assists 33 Points +4 (61 pts pace over 76 games)

Matt Puempel

1st AHL season (21 y/o) : 74 Games 30 Goals 18 Assists 48 Points -11
2nd AHL season (22 y/o) : 43 Games 11 Goals 16 Assists 27 Points -9 (48 pts pace over 76 games)

All paths are very different but it's safe to say than both Puempel and Prince are ahead of Hoffman when he was the same age... Actually, Puempel's sophomore season at 22 y/o is shaping up to be about the same as Hoffman's. Next year is very important for both of them. Time for Prince to make his niche in the NHL and for Puempel to be an elite AHL player, and deserving some call ups.

 

[Benttheknee]

Glass half empty for me. I have been watching hockey for a long time and I have seen a lot of prospects and these two seem to be on the bust trend line. I certainly hope that I am wrong.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Glass half empty for me. I have been watching hockey for a long time and I have seen a lot of prospects and these two seem to be on the bust trend line. I certainly hope that I am wrong.

what makes you think prince will bust? Guy is a solid 190, 5'11 and is carrying the load on a bad bingo team. Prince has everything needed to make the NHL imo.

 

[Icelevel]

what makes you think prince will bust? Guy is a solid 190, 5'11 and is carrying the load on a bad bingo team. Prince has everything needed to make the NHL imo.

i think he could step in and fill macarthur's role right now. not happening, just saying.

 

[starling]

Today's prospects:
Paul 1g, 1a, 1st star in 5-3 win
Harpur 1a, 3rd star in 3-2 SO win

 

[BigBush*]

i think he could step in and fill macarthur's role right now. not happening, just saying.

there's just no way. no way any of our players in Bingo could just step in and be better than MacArthur, or "fill his role"
I know its fun to think like that about our prospects, but it just isnt true

 

[Burrowsaurus]

i think he could step in and fill macarthur's role right now. not happening, just saying.

MacArthur is our top LW.
prince could probably come in and fill michaleks even strength role, OFFENSIVELY only.

 

[2XPRO31]

there's just no way. no way any of our players in Bingo could just step in and be better than MacArthur, or "fill his role"
I know its fun to think like that about our prospects, but it just isnt true

Macarthur is no all star, It's very likely that a guy like Prince or Puemple could come up and score more than 2 goals in a span of 11 games.

 

[God Says No]

Macarthur is no all star, It's very likely that a guy like Prince or Puemple could come up and score more than 2 goals in a span of 11 games.

Or they could be overwhelmed and absolutely be terrible defensively. I wouldn't mind having a look at Prince or Puemple, but not at the expense of Mac or Hoffman.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Macarthur is no all star, It's very likely that a guy like Prince or Puemple could come up and score more than 2 goals in a span of 11 games.

Great use of stats.
I wonder if we can trade Prince for Kessel, since he's also not scoring much the last few games.

 

[2XPRO31]

Great use of stats.
I wonder if we can trade Prince for Kessel, since he's also not scoring much the last few games.

Kessel is a bonafide Goal scorer. Macurthur is more of a grit player. When this team is ready to compete again, Macarthur will be a really good third liner

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Kessel is a bonafide Goal scorer. Macurthur is more of a grit player. When this team is ready to compete again, Macarthur will be a really good third liner

Pricey third liner

 

[Xspyrit]

Glass half empty for me. I have been watching hockey for a long time and I have seen a lot of prospects and these two seem to be on the bust trend line. I certainly hope that I am wrong.

Of course you could be right and it's certainly possible that they both bust (although I highly doubt it)

That being said, how many Bingo games have you watched last year and how many this year?

i think he could step in and fill macarthur's role right now. not happening, just saying.

Macarthur is no all star, It's very likely that a guy like Prince or Puemple could come up and score more than 2 goals in a span of 11 games.

Somebody told me I was overreacting the other day when I predicted that the MacArthur's whining and scapegoating is about to begin. Not saying these post are doing that exactly, but it's another sign of things to come (when a prospect with 0 NHL games could replace him) and they are coming more and more frequently these days as Mac doesn't have the same stats as last season.

I think it was an easy prediction to make when you know HF Sens.

 

[Sensinitis]

Can't wait for Prince to be called up and get a solid look.

One of the moments I'm most looking forward to.

He looked great in pre-season, and is doing great in AHL.

 

[Icelevel]

Prince is a complete player and has been improving consistently.
MacArthur is/should be our 2nd/3rd line LW if we're competitive. That is a role I think prince could step in and excel at within a few weeks of experience.
We still need a bonafide top line LW

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Prince is a complete player and has been improving consistently.
MacArthur is/should be our 2nd/3rd line LW if we're competitive. That is a role I think prince could step in and excel at within a few weeks of experience.
We still need a bonafide top line LW

We need a bonafide top a lot of things. Doesn't mean a player in he minors is ready to replace out best LW.