Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

[Tuna99]

What does pigmentation and age have to do with anything?
Shouldn’t the NHL be focusing on the competency and character of the potential ownership groups rather than age or physical aspects of the groups putting forth bids?

Have you seen the racism and sexism coming from sports owners, even here in Ottawa. Of course representation matters.

Gary Bettman stood before the Ottawa fans and called Poo-Jeans Melnyck a great man. This is your competency and character test revealing itself by the head of the NHL

 

[Burrowsaurus]

What does pigmentation and age have to do with anything?
Shouldn’t the NHL be focusing on the competency and character of the potential ownership groups rather than age or physical aspects of the groups putting forth bids?

The Sparks group has come this far and with similar amount of money? They’re likely just as competent as any of the other groups? Why do you think the NHL wouldn’t be focused on these things when it comes to the Sparks groups specifically ?

 

[Relapsing]

Gary Bettman stood before the Ottawa fans and called Poo-Jeans Melnyck a great man. This is your competency and character test revealing itself by the head of the NHL

You understand that Bettmans job is beholden to the BOG, of which Melnyk was a member at the time... Right?

Do you think it's appropriate for him to shit on one of his bosses? Would you do that publicly in his shoes? Competency and character test my ass.

 

[Senscore]

Have you seen the racism and sexism coming from sports owners, even here in Ottawa. Of course representation matters.

Gary Bettman stood before the Ottawa fans and called Poo-Jeans Melnyck a great man. This is your competency and character test revealing itself by the head of the NHL

Good thing Snoop Dogg, an admitted former pimp who has a history of sexual assault accusations, and is a supporter of Louis Farrakhan, will help put an end to that.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Have you seen the racism and sexism coming from sports owners, even here in Ottawa. Of course representation matters.

Gary Bettman stood before the Ottawa fans and called Poo-Jeans Melnyck a great man. This is your competency and character test revealing itself by the head of the NHL

you can judge people anyway you want, I tend to not be judge them by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character.


ring a bell?

The Sparks group has come this far and with similar amount of money? They’re likely just as competent as any of the other groups? Why do you think the NHL wouldn’t be focused on these things when it comes to the Sparks groups specifically ?

Why do you think they should?

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

Does the mystery of Neko Sparks give anyone else Anna Sorokin vibes? Lots of big buzzwords, nebulous business activities, promises without credibility, roping in backers, everything hard to confirm, supposedly has access to massive amounts of money. It all seems so weird.

what have you got against a guy who wants to actualize, analyze, and validate in support of strategic processes?

 

[Mingus Dew]

Does the mystery of Neko Sparks give anyone else Anna Sorokin vibes? Lots of big buzzwords, nebulous business activities, promises without credibility, roping in backers, everything hard to confirm, supposedly has access to massive amounts of money. It all seems so weird.

Anna Sorokin was trying to get like a $50mm loan and was falsifying documents to fake her creditworthiness.

Doesn't work for a deal like this. Not even in the same stratosphere.

 

[Tuna99]

You understand that Bettmans job is beholden to the BOG, of which Melnyk was a member at the time... Right?

Do you think it's appropriate for him to shit on one of his bosses? Would you do that publicly in his shoes? Competency and character test my ass.

Do I expect Bettman to shit on Melnyck - no.

If Bettman was being honest would he shit on Melnyck’s ownership - YES

That’s my point, character evaluations by Gary Bettman are about as honest as media in Russia

 

[DaveMatthew]

Anna Sorokin was trying to get like a $50mm loan and was falsifying documents to fake her creditworthiness.

Doesn't work for a deal like this. Not even in the same stratosphere.

Elizabeth Holmes raised $700M and was featured in Forbes, Fortune, etc for a product that never did anything that she said it did. She was on stages with Gates, Biden, Oprah, etc.

Trevor Milton raised over $3.3B for a hydrogen-powered truck that never worked. For a commercial, they pushed a truck body with no engine down a hill, called it "Nikola in motion", and used it to kick off a funding round.

There are frauds everywhere. Big and small.

Anyone shilling a crypto token as a "safe way" for PoC and underserved communities to build financial security and freedom should be publicly shamed and fully discredited.

 

[Tuna99]

you can judge people anyway you want, I tend to not be judge them by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character.


ring a bell?


Why do you think they should?

So why are you even question the Sparks bid if you are all colour blind and just about the nature of his character - why even bring it up? Why does the colou of his skin matter if you’re all about what’s on the inside.

Because this is how racism works

 

[Mingus Dew]

Elizabeth Holmes raised $700M and was featured in Forbes, Fortune, etc for a product that never did anything that she said it did. She was on stages with Gates, Biden, Oprah, etc.

Trevor Milton raised over $3.3B for a hydrogen-powered truck that never worked. For a commercial, they pushed a truck body with no engine down a hill and called it "Nikola in motion".

There are frauds everywhere. Big and small.

Anyone shilling a crypto token as a "safe way" for PoC and underserved communities to build financial security and freedom should be publicly shamed and fully discredited.

Yes many frauds have scammed VCs because VCs have been mostly idiots for the last 15 years. No arguments from me.

Would Holmes or Milton have been able to purchase a $1bn NHL franchise?

It's not the same thing. Holmes basically never showed anyone any financials, never submitted to an audit or any scientific scrutiny, etc. and she didn't have to because morons were lining up to write checks made out to the next Steve Jobs.

Different circumstances. NHL and the Melnyks (with the assistance of their IB, accountants and lawyers) are diligencing every bid.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Yes many frauds have scammed VCs because VCs have been mostly idiots for the last 15 years. No arguments from me.

Would Holmes or Milton have been able to purchase a $1bn NHL franchise?

It's not the same thing. Holmes basically never showed anyone any financials, never submitted to an audit or any scientific scrutiny, etc. and she didn't have to because morons were lining up to write checks made out to the next Steve Jobs.

Different circumstances. NHL and the Melnyks (with the assistance of their IB, accountants and lawyers) are diligencing every bid.

Oh I have no doubt that Sparks will not actually be able to buy this team. The NHL is not going to come out and discredit anyone, either, at this point. But I find it incredibly hard to believe that come May 15th, this group will submit a binding bid that has any chance of being selected.

But the media giving this guy legitimacy will enable him to build his profile and parlay the attention into shilling his other sketchy business interests, like a predatory crypto token or luxury club membership that'll help you "build wealth through connection".

 

[Mingus Dew]

Oh I have no doubt that Sparks will not actually be able to buy this team. They're not going to come out and discredit anyone, either, at this point.

But the media giving this guy legitimacy will enable him to build his profile and parlay the attention into shilling his other sketchy business interests, like a predatory crypto token.

Certainly possible.

What's not possible imo is that a fraudster actually buys the team. Too many eyeballs on a deal like this.

Media attention and gossip are separate matters.

 

[Silencio]

Would Holmes or Milton have been able to purchase a $1bn NHL franchise?

Con artists have actually managed to purchase professional sports franchises (John Spano). I agree it's highly unlikely in this case and with this amount of money at stake though.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Con artists have actually managed to purchase professional sports franchises (John Spano). I agree it's highly unlikely in this case and with this amount of money at stake though.

Interesting story. Still, the deal fell apart because the fraudster didn't have the funds.

Someone can theoretically get to the finish line on pixie dust but actually crossing it requires real money. No one in their right mind in 2023, with real representation, would ever close a deal without money in escrow.

And as you said given the price tag here even getting to the finish line will require submitting to an army of lawyers and accountants.

 

[Tuna99]

If anybody is debating character or ownership here - look at the ownerships of Vancouver and Edmonton. Sketchy as f***.

 

[Mingus Dew]

If anybody is debating character or ownership here - look at the ownerships of Vancouver and Edmonton. Sketchy as f***.

Character is another matter entirely.

Unfortunately for the rest of us one need not have good character to amass lots and lots of money.

 

[Cosmix]

Con artists have actually managed to purchase professional sports franchises (John Spano). I agree it's highly unlikely in this case and with this amount of money at stake though.

McNall managed quite well!

 

[Relapsing]

Do I expect Bettman to shit on Melnyck - no.

If Bettman was being honest would he shit on Melnyck’s ownership - YES

That’s my point, character evaluations by Gary Bettman are about as honest as media in Russia

Misunderstanding Bettmans role in this league seems to be your main issue here.

Now before you get all soap boxy about it, anyone here honestly able to say they've never outright and/or white lied as part of their job? Can you?

No one is that virtuous. Everyone colours the truth at some point or another.

 

[coladin]

I respect where you're coming from, but I'm honestly laughing at how insanely difficult this idea of yours is to pull off. Somehow convince the NCC to give up on sparks. Demolish heritage buildings. Now involve another level of government into the situation. Deal with the security nightmare that is the proximity to the Hill, PMO, supreme Court, etc... Navigate what will surely be an insane fight with the NCC. Completely rework the street scape of Wellington, one of the frankly nicest stretches of architecture in the city. More delays while all this happens.

For what? More proximity to a couple of bars (some of which would be gone with this idea)?

Take it from someone who lives enticingly close to lebreton - there's more than enough here to sustain the game day experience while the rest of the flats are built up.

All that is to say - your pitch isn't even a pipe dream. It's a fever dream that only hockey fans would want, that would complicate the entire process to a degree this fan base is not ready for.

Fine, fine,

 

[coladin]

I’m sure the new owners could care less about placing a new Arena in an area that would be convenient for “Tim's, Boston Pizza. Montana's, Casey's and Kelsey's and Jack Astor's” to set up shop nearby, to capitalize on game days and other events. Why would they want to spend more money than would required to simply set up shop at Lebreton Flats or Bayview Yards?

Also, why would they not incorporate some bars/restaurants inside their new Arena, and capitalize on game days and other events, by leasing out space inside the Arena for any of your suggested Tim's, Boston Pizza. Montana's, Casey's and Kelsey's and Jack Astor's?

Considering there is a real estate play at the same time, I think they are plenty interested what surrounds the arena. Inside restaurants are not enough. They already have that at the CTC

 

[Burrowsaurus]

you can judge people anyway you want, I tend to not be judge them by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character.


ring a bell?


Why do you think they should?

I just think they will. “Being a good competent owner” is very likely part of the interview process at this stage. Don’t know why you’d think otherwise. Unless some psycho bids an insane amount.

 

[MMC]

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

maybe they are replacing the Canadian investors they said they had way back at the start of all this.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Tuna99]

Misunderstanding Bettmans role in this league seems to be your main issue here.

Now before you get all soap boxy about it, anyone here honestly able to say they've never outright and/or white lied as part of their job? Can you?

No one is that virtuous. Everyone colours the truth at some point or another.

Sure if you want to put the equivalance of a guy who’s serving Macdonald French furies and telling a white lie next to a community entity like the Senators that has the cities name on it as a representation of the community and you have an owner outright suing, lying, manipulating, threatening people then sure - we are all the same.

But that’s not real life. Nobody cares if the guy serving you beer at the Sens game is a liar, they go care if the owner or the Captain of the NHL team is a liar

And for you to hint that Integrity has nothing to do with business makes me believe you don’t understand why the stadium had 8000 fans in it for 5 years