Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

[HoweHullOrr]

Not “people”, just you. You seem to be willfully avoiding all of the actual action surrounding the sale because it appears that ‘steps’ as written in the rule book are your only consideration.

I mean, the process is unfolding right in front of you, and the power brokers are very obvious. Getting worked up at me because because it turns out that the rulebook doesn’t encapsulate all of the realities of the process is a missed opportunity for you to expand your understanding of these events beyond the textual framework.

Feel free to die on your hill, its a strange display of stubbornness, but in the end it doesn’t really matter.

As I said, smile and nod.

I am not ignoring anything. I just referred to the steps. I have never said anything about Bettman not being involved in the process at all, or would say nothing, or that he didn't have some input, or influence.

The idea that this is my "only consideration" is your narrative & assumption, and is something you have made up. Its you doing your thing.

My first post on the subject which I will post below was in response to your statement in post #1,028 on Feb.14th: "Bettman decides who gets to buy the team".

Are you suggesting that no one should believe your own words? Why bother typing them then if no one is to believe what you type.

What I have said is that there's a process and that the end of the process the BoG will vote. No one person can decide, not even a Governor. It will take a (3/4) majority of the BoG to approve the sale. I have also said the BoG are successful, smart business people. They won't blindly follow a recommendation that someone makes regardless of who that person is (Bettman or otherwise). They will do due diligence and will have a cadre of people working for them to vet this. The BoG will do what best for them.


Ice Tray - Post #1028, February 14

Bettman wants Reynolds, and Bettman decides who gets to buy the team.

Reynolds is absolutely a top priority for billionaires wanting to buy the team. If they can’t have him, they need to find something else that competes.

Bettman wants that production value more than just another owner with deep pockets. Reynolds’ history with Wrexham is exactly what Bettman would like to see happen with the Sens, and the league in general.

Raise the profile, raise the fan engagement, make new fans, raise league wide revenues. That’s the perceived added power of Reynolds.

I see no difference between Toronto based vs LA or NY based in terms of it being a negative. This way the owners are Canadian which is great. They can’t move the team to Toronto, so this is as close to being a home team that they can get.

My first post on this subject - Post #1053, Feb.15

Nice theory, but it's the other way around. Bettman finds out what the Board wants, and then promotes & advances those objectives.

The NHL has a constitution and a Board of Governors. The constitution dictates how decisions are made. In Article 2.1.b. of the Constitution it states the purpose of the Constitution and League is "The promotion of the common interests of members of the League, each member being an owner of a professional hockey club".

Bettman serves at the pleasure of the Board. He can be fired by the Board, and the Board can appoint another Commissioner which of course is laid out in the Constitution as well. This is the way all corporations are run as well, not just the NHL.

The Board can decide to reject a an offer from a prospective owner to purchase a NHL club. This happened with Balsillie's attempt to purchase the Phoenix Coyotes. "The criteria set forth in the [NHL] constitution and bylaws relates to financial wherewithal, character, integrity and the view whether or not the other owners would deem you a good partner," Bettman said. When asked why Reinsdorf's group's application was approved, Bettman said, "That's a question better directed to the governors because they're the ones who vote."

I have also provided the complete audit trail of all my posts on this subject below so that it's easy for you to check it out. If you can find anything in these posts where I said Bettman has no involvement, or influence, then point it out. Here's all of my posts:

1. #1053, Feb.15
2. #1084, Feb. 16
3. #1088, Feb.16
4. #1090, Feb.16

Micklebot's post #1091, Feb.16 is well worth a read as well. He has a good handle on the situation and grasped what I was saying.

You might find that people are much smarter than you enigmatically like to think. There's no need for your derogatory comments directed at people. It's unnecessary and adds no value to any discussion.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

This is where they should put the new arena

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You'll tear down the castle over my dead body! Spent way too much of my childhood in the basement in the dinosaur room to see that building go in my lifetime.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I am not ignoring anything. I just referred to the steps. I have never said anything about Bettman not being involved in the process at all, or would say nothing, or that he didn't have some input, or influence.

The idea that this is my "only consideration" is your narrative & assumption, and is something you have made up. Its you doing your thing.

My first post on the subject which I will post below was in response to your statement in post #1,028 on Feb.14th: "Bettman decides who gets to buy the team".

Are you suggesting that no one should believe your own words? Why bother typing them then if no one is to believe what you type.

What I have said is that there's a process and that the end of the process the BoG will vote. No one person can decide, not even a Governor. It will take a (3/4) majority of the BoG to approve the sale. I have also said the BoG are successful, smart business people. They won't blindly follow a recommendation that someone makes regardless of who that person is (Bettman or otherwise). They will do due diligence and will have a cadre of people working for them to vet this. The BoG will do what best for them.


Ice Tray - Post #1028, February 14

Bettman wants Reynolds, and Bettman decides who gets to buy the team.

Reynolds is absolutely a top priority for billionaires wanting to buy the team. If they can’t have him, they need to find something else that competes.

Bettman wants that production value more than just another owner with deep pockets. Reynolds’ history with Wrexham is exactly what Bettman would like to see happen with the Sens, and the league in general.

Raise the profile, raise the fan engagement, make new fans, raise league wide revenues. That’s the perceived added power of Reynolds.

I see no difference between Toronto based vs LA or NY based in terms of it being a negative. This way the owners are Canadian which is great. They can’t move the team to Toronto, so this is as close to being a home team that they can get.

My first post on this subject - Post #1053, Feb.15

Nice theory, but it's the other way around. Bettman finds out what the Board wants, and then promotes & advances those objectives.

The NHL has a constitution and a Board of Governors. The constitution dictates how decisions are made. In Article 2.1.b. of the Constitution it states the purpose of the Constitution and League is "The promotion of the common interests of members of the League, each member being an owner of a professional hockey club".

Bettman serves at the pleasure of the Board. He can be fired by the Board, and the Board can appoint another Commissioner which of course is laid out in the Constitution as well. This is the way all corporations are run as well, not just the NHL.

The Board can decide to reject a an offer from a prospective owner to purchase a NHL club. This happened with Balsillie's attempt to purchase the Phoenix Coyotes. "The criteria set forth in the [NHL] constitution and bylaws relates to financial wherewithal, character, integrity and the view whether or not the other owners would deem you a good partner," Bettman said. When asked why Reinsdorf's group's application was approved, Bettman said, "That's a question better directed to the governors because they're the ones who vote."

I have also provided the complete audit trail of all my posts on this subject below so that it's easy for you to check it out. If you can find anything in these posts where I said Bettman has no involvement, or influence, then point it out. Here's all of my posts:

1. #1053, Feb.15
2. #1084, Feb. 16
3. #1088, Feb.16
4. #1090, Feb.16

Micklebot's post #1091, Feb.16 is well worth a read as well. He has a good handle on the situation and grasped what I was saying.

You might find that people are much smarter than you enigmatically like to think. There's no need for your derogatory comments directed at people. It's unnecessary and adds no value to any discussion.

Lol, I already clarified for anyone who assumed that I actually meant that Bettman would decide on his own. You seem to be the only one who got all literal with that post, which is one more person than expected.

Bettman informs the board of governors, he doesn’t ask them if they want to make lots more money, and if they want lots more exposure, he presents to them how he can go about making it happen because that’s what they hire him to do. It’s also why they listen to his recommendations…. because that’s what they pay the man for. They aren’t micromanaging the job of the commissioner of their league.

As for new ownership, Betthan has been managing all of the groups, and has a lot of influence on the BOG decision, which is why RR has been constantly working him. His job is to do the leg work for them, the BOG will know who they want before those groups are presented to the outgoing owner. Maybe it’s a choice, maybe it’s the one they will accept at the table, but there is zero chance that the sisters get to choose and then that group is presented to the board. This is all pretty obvious just by watching how this sale is unfolding; it’s the league talking non-stop.

There are plenty of smart people in here, you quoting the NHL constitution over and over again, and arguing that the commissioner doesn’t have much influence on the situation, or that the sisters are getting to choose and the BOG are simply left to stamp it, is naive.

I have tried to disengage three times now with you, and you continue to engage without bringing anything new to the table beyond triggered feelings.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

and arguing that the commissioner doesn’t have much influence on the situation, or that the sisters are getting to choose and the BOG are simply left to stamp it, is naive.

Where have I said this? Provide a quote. I made it easy for you.

Once again, you are making stuff up.

And, we shouldn't take your posts literally. Gotcha.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Where have I said this? Provide a quote. I made it easy for you.

Once again, you are making stuff up. LOL. Good grief.

What in the world are you talking about? Have you not been downplaying the commissioners role in these proceedings from the start? Isn’t that your entire point of your quotes?

My post have been in response to you and the couple people I was debating with about Bettman’s influence stretching back weeks. If you want to distance yourself from the points of contention at this point have at it.

If that’s now the case I have no idea what you’re even responding to me about, or what point you’re even trying to make. If you have no issues with what has been my constant position on the issue, then cool, have a great weekend. I mean, have a great weekend regardless, but I have no idea what your point is anymore.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

What in the world are you talking about? Have you not been downplaying the commissioners role in these proceedings from the start? Isn’t that your entire point of your quotes?

My post have been in response to you and the couple people I was debating with about Bettman’s influence stretching back weeks. If you want to distance yourself from the points of contention at this point have at it.

If that’s now the case I have no idea what you’re even responding to me about, or what point you’re even trying to make. If you have no issues with what has been my constant position on the issue, then cool, have a great weekend. I mean, have a great weekend regardless, but I have no idea what your point is anymore.

Where are the quotes where I said the commissioner is not involved in the process, that he will say nothing, or has no influence?

I'll make your job even easier. Here are some things I actually did say in my posts. All of the my posts are in this thread & are available. Do you see anything in these actual quotes that suggests that Bettman will say nothing, and has no involvement or influence? It's a rhetorical question of course and the answer is already known.

#1084, Feb.16

"Bettman needs to understand what those that employ him want to do.

As long as he continues to do things that are good for the owners which he has done in the past, Bettman will continue to serve in his role as Commissioner."

#1086, Feb.16

"As long as Bettman is facilitating things that result in good things for owners, he will continue to serve the BoG. If what is put in front of the BoG makes sense for the owners, the process laid out in the Constitution will be followed and they will approve it.

Bettman's success and longevity has been based on understanding what the owners want. Bettman makes sure the Owners are onside with whatever is at hand and being planned before he proceeds, and then executes the work that needs to be done to get it to final step and the approval process which is done by the BoG. The owners just don't rubber stamp or follow blindly whatever Bettman recommends.

#1088, Feb. 16

It has to be good for the owners, that's all I'm saying. Bettman will ultimately push something through that the owners will want ultimately as the owners are the ones that will approve, not Bettman.

#1090, Feb. 16

"I agree that Bettman understands his job and will make sure that whatever is presented for a vote is going to get support from the BoG. In fact, Bettman has been successful and has remained as Commissioner because he understands what the Board wants, and Bettman's success & continued tenure depends on this as he serves at the pleasure of the BoG.

I would imagine the whole sale "process" was vetted and approved by all parties (the BoG, Bettman, the Melnyks) before the process even began. They aren't going to go about this in a willy-nilly way and there's plenty of precedent & expertise available to utilize and get this done."

It's pretty obvious what my point is. You make stuff up. Your "confusion" is feigned and disingenuous. You got caught and then invented a straw man consisting of imaginary posts & statements.

And with regards to your tale about not really being serious or that anyone should take what you said literally, here's what you said later in post #1096 on Feb.16th.

Ice Tray, #1096, Feb. 16

"There was no sarcasm in my post, I meant exactly what I said."

So, I guess we really should not take you literally and not believe anything you say then. Good to know.

 

[Sun God Nika]

For the first time in the bidding process, I feel confident Reynolds and co. will own the team. They were always the attractive choice, but $1 billion bid seals the deal.

So I ask, what % chance would y’all give the group at being the successful bid?

I am gonna say 80% chance Reynolds crew gets it with my 0% insider knowledge and just what’s public.

There is nothing stopping someone with FU money to fire up a bidding war and bring it to 1.5b and I don’t kno if Remington will be ready for that

 

[starling]

From Ian Mendes' column in the Athletic:

Dylan Whiteduck — chief of the Kitigan Zibi Anishinābeg (KZA) First Nation community — is openly lamenting the lack of communication with the federal government on the crucial topic of LeBreton Flats.
...
To date, Whiteduck says only one potential group of Ottawa Senators owners has been in contact with him. That correspondence occurred within the past few days, when a representative connected to the bid with Ryan Reynolds and the Remington Group reached out to Whiteduck to try and set up an initial meeting.
...

Shows that Remington group is the only serious one.

 

[bicboi64]

From Ian Mendes' column in the Athletic:


Shows that Remington group is the only serious one.

Was reading how some First Nations groups would like to be involved in ownership. That'd be kinda neat, don't know if I've ever seen Indigenous ownership in a large sports league

 

[Bileur]

Super, super exciting.

Even more when you consider what RR did with Wrexham when he first took over:

1. Brought in an experienced advisor to lead a CEO search (Shaun Harvey, who was formerly CEO of Leeds United - a Premier League club)
2. Hired a top-flight CEO (Fleur Robinson)
3. Brought in a big-money coach who had a history of winning (Phil Parkinson)
4. Brought in a big-money player (Paul Mullin).

He didn't mess around from day 1.

Obviously the NHL is a much higher tier, and more expensive league, but I'd expect similar swift action.

As many on here have been saying for years, the formula for being a good pro sports owner is actually quite simple. You’ve just got to have enough humility to know you’re not an expert in everything and pockets deep enough to hire the experts.

RR’s added expertise in PR/marketing/drawing attention is a cherry on top.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Where are the quotes where I said the commissioner is not involved in the process, that he will say nothing, or has no influence?

I'll make your job even easier. Here are some things I actually did say in my posts. All of the my posts are in this thread & are available. Do you see anything in these actual quotes that suggests that Bettman will say nothing, and has no involvement or influence? It's a rhetorical question of course and the answer is already known.

#1084, Feb.16

"Bettman needs to understand what those that employ him want to do.

As long as he continues to do things that are good for the owners which he has done in the past, Bettman will continue to serve in his role as Commissioner."

#1086, Feb.16

"As long as Bettman is facilitating things that result in good things for owners, he will continue to serve the BoG. If what is put in front of the BoG makes sense for the owners, the process laid out in the Constitution will be followed and they will approve it.

Bettman's success and longevity has been based on understanding what the owners want. Bettman makes sure the Owners are onside with whatever is at hand and being planned before he proceeds, and then executes the work that needs to be done to get it to final step and the approval process which is done by the BoG. The owners just don't rubber stamp or follow blindly whatever Bettman recommends.

#1088, Feb. 16

It has to be good for the owners, that's all I'm saying. Bettman will ultimately push something through that the owners will want ultimately as the owners are the ones that will approve, not Bettman.

#1090, Feb. 16

"I agree that Bettman understands his job and will make sure that whatever is presented for a vote is going to get support from the BoG. In fact, Bettman has been successful and has remained as Commissioner because he understands what the Board wants, and Bettman's success & continued tenure depends on this as he serves at the pleasure of the BoG.

I would imagine the whole sale "process" was vetted and approved by all parties (the BoG, Bettman, the Melnyks) before the process even began. They aren't going to go about this in a willy-nilly way and there's plenty of precedent & expertise available to utilize and get this done."

It's pretty obvious what my point is. You make stuff up. Your "confusion" is feigned and disingenuous. You got caught and then invented a straw man consisting of imaginary posts & statements.

And with regards to your tale about not really being serious or that anyone should take what you said literally, here's what you said later in post #1096 on Feb.16th.

Ice Tray, #1096, Feb. 16

"There was no sarcasm in my post, I meant exactly what I said."

So, I guess we really should not take you literally and not believe anything you say then. Good to know.

I believe what you are saying is just because there's a definitive, designated process laid out and used by the BoG to approve something like the sale of a team & new owners, its not the same as saying & doesn't mean that Bettman isn't involved or doesn't have any influence.

I also agree that the Board is going to approve whatever they feel is good for them. I can't see Bettman pushing something that would not align with the BoG objectives as that does not seem wise on Bettman's part. He would undoubtedly be smart enough to figure that out.

That seems pretty simple & easy to understand.

 

[Cosmix]

From Ian Mendes' column in the Athletic:


Shows that Remington group is the only serious one.

No. It shows that the Remington Group is aware of the value of good PR.

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

I believe what you are saying is just because there's a definitive, designated process laid out and used by the BoG to approve something like the sale of a team & new owners, its not the same as saying & doesn't mean that Bettman isn't involved or doesn't have any influence.

I also agree that the Board is going to approve whatever they feel is good for them. I can't see Bettman pushing something that would not align with the BoG objectives as that does not seem wise on Bettman's part. He would undoubtedly be smart enough to figure that out.

That seems pretty simple & easy to understand.

Further to this, it's part of Bettman's job to tell the BOG what's good for them. He has a handful of 'his' boys - Flyers, and Bruins jump to mind and part of what they do is keep the other owners in line.

It's a symbiotic relationship, of course, but it's something like this:

joe owner: "who GAF just give it to the highest bidder, because that will raise the value of our teams"
Bettman: "right, but we have RR who might by highest or at least close enough close 2nd bidder, and he's going to raise the profile of that team for sure, but also for the league as a whole. It's a literal super hero guys! He will do for the NHL what coke did for Santa. So when I waltz him in the room, I better hear a 100% approval"

 

[Cosmix]

Super, super exciting.

Even more when you consider what RR did with Wrexham when he first took over:

1. Brought in an experienced advisor to lead a CEO search (Shaun Harvey, who was formerly CEO of Leeds United - a Premier League club)
2. Hired a top-flight CEO (Fleur Robinson)
3. Brought in a big-money coach who had a history of winning (Phil Parkinson)
4. Brought in a big-money player (Paul Mullin).

He didn't mess around from day 1.

Obviously the NHL is a much higher tier, and more expensive league, but I'd expect similar swift action.

Yes that is my thought too. A new ownership group paying about $1B for the team is not going to stand by without doing anything to improve the management and operations of the team. The current management and coaching have not been successful. Time for a BIG change.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Further to this, it's part of Bettman's job to tell the BOG what's good for them. He has a handful of 'his' boys - Flyers, and Bruins jump to mind and part of what they do is keep the other owners in line.

It's a symbiotic relationship, of course, but it's something like this:

joe owner: "who GAF just give it to the highest bidder, because that will raise the value of our teams"
Bettman: "right, but we have RR who might by highest or at least close enough close 2nd bidder, and he's going to raise the profile of that team for sure, but also for the league as a whole. It's a literal super hero guys! He will do for the NHL what coke did for Santa. So when I waltz him in the room, I better hear a 100% approval"

I guess it boils down to how much help you believe the BoG need in this regard. I'm sure they are just as smart and savvy about what's good for businesses in general and for specifically for them as someone else. They certainly have a vested interest and have been successful in business in the past. I doubt if they are babes in the woods when it comes to acquisitions and such. They will have their own resources and others they've hired to provide advice to them as well outside of anything that the NHL provides.

You used the Flyers as an example. Think of how many acquisitions Snider (now deceased) made to build Comcast and how much marketing that company does. Comcast is the second-largest broadcasting and cable television company in the world by revenue (behind AT&T), and is also the largest pay-TV company, the largest cable TV company, and largest home Internet service provider in the United States. Comcast has $275 billion in total assets.

If you are saying there are multiple criteria versus just approving the highest bidder, I would certainly agree with that. I believe that has already been pointed out in previous posts by poster(s) that tend towards providing more info.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I believe what you are saying is just because there's a definitive, designated process laid out and used by the BoG to approve something like the sale of a team & new owners, its not the same as saying & doesn't mean that Bettman isn't involved or doesn't have any influence.

I also agree that the Board is going to approve whatever they feel is good for them. I can't see Bettman pushing something that would not align with the BoG objectives as that does not seem wise on Bettman's part. He would undoubtedly be smart enough to figure that out.

That seems pretty simple & easy to understand.

Except it isn’t quite as clear given that some folks were assuming that this language meant that the outgoing owner selects the new group which is then presented to the BOG for approval.

We can see that the process, in function/and by necessity, actually works in reverse. The BOG whittles down who they want, based on the work Gary does, and the acceptable group(s) are then presented to the outgoing owner to choose from or accept. The wording of the steps strays from how things play out in practice due to where the actual power lies.

In the end it makes the most sense to find out who will be accepted before bothering to waste time and effort trying to orchestrate a sale. It’s also why we see the league (Bettman and Daley) as the front people of the sale process and not the Sens ownership or even the third party financial player.

As for Bettman it’s also pretty simple. I have no idea where this idea of Bettman having some kind of personal stake in this is coming from. He’s not going to push for something against the BOG, he is literally the guy informing what the BOG wants. His job is to do what’s best for the league (aka the majority of league owners).

The board tasks Bettman to investigate and apply standards for the best options for new ownership, and present them to said board. They have entrusted the league work to Gary for decades, and this is no different.

In a situation like this you can clearly see how Bettman has been manipulating the process to ensure that the BOG, and the league in general gets the best possible new ownership group at the table. RR has literally been working Bettman and their bid has been constantly evolving to stay in front. Bettman has spoken directly about the value of Reynolds.

The BOG isn’t doing the leg work and sending Bettman as the gopher to get it done, Bettman IS the guy they hired to do all of the legwork for them, to present to them the best option(s), and to ensure that the ownership group that they vote on at June meeting is the group they want. It will pan out that way because Gary and Bill are doing their jobs.

As many on here have been saying for years, the formula for being a good pro sports owner is actually quite simple. You’ve just got to have enough humility to know you’re not an expert in everything and pockets deep enough to hire the experts.

RR’s added expertise in PR/marketing/drawing attention is a cherry on top.

Add in that he has reached out to local community members investors to add them to the fold, and has apparently also reached out to FN stakeholders and it’s the ground work for a no brainer bid

He’s already at work on the ground swell
community building efforts that are so important to what they did in Wales.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Except it isn’t quite as clear given that some folks were assuming that this language meant that the outgoing owner selects the new group which is then presented to the BOG for approval.

I didn't see that, and I've read through all these different posts and have been following the thread & its proponents.

I think you want to believe it though.

I don't see what is being posted as an argument against Reynolds as well, and not sure why you've got that idea, or make that connection. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the posts that I read.

I didn't read the rest of your post. I don't want to get involved in these rather tangental issues that you bring up.

I can't see how thirty-one successful owners would be duped by anyone, or wouldn't do due diligence in something that they own and took years to build.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I guess it boils down to how much help you believe the BoG need in this regard. I'm sure they are just as smart and savvy about what's good for businesses in general and for specifically for them as someone else. They certainly have a vested interest and have been successful in business in the past. I doubt if they are babes in the woods when it comes to acquisitions and such. They will have their own resources and others they've hired to provide advice to them as well outside of anything that the NHL provides.

You used the Flyers as an example. Think of how many acquisitions Snider (now deceased) made to build Comcast and how much marketing that company does. Comcast is the second-largest broadcasting and cable television company in the world by revenue (behind AT&T), and is also the largest pay-TV company, the largest cable TV company, and largest home Internet service provider in the United States. Comcast has $275 billion in total assets.

If you are saying there are multiple criteria versus just approving the highest bidder, I would certainly agree with that. I believe that has already been pointed out in previous posts by poster(s) that tend towards providing more info.

You seem to be descibing the BOG as almost some separate entity that operates independently from Gary.

This is not really the case though. Gary and the league executives are the guys the BOG pay to inform them on what’s best for the league business wise, and game play wise.

You’re right that they aren’t babes in the woods, they have their attack dog, and his name is Gary.

 

[UglyPuckling]

You seem to be descibing the BOG as almost some separate entity that operates independently from Gary.

No. I did NOT say that.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I didn't see that, and I've read through all these different posts and have been following the thread & its proponents.

I think you want to believe it though.

I don't see what is being posted as an argument against Reynolds as well, and not sure why you've got that idea, or make that connection. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the posts that I read.

I didn't read the rest of your post. I don't want to get involved in these rather tangental issues that you bring up.

I can't see how thirty-one successful owners would be duped by anyone, or wouldn't do due diligence in something that they own and took years to build.

So, I’m reading a post from a person who hasn’t bothered to read through the thread, and admittedly doesn’t understand the discussion points, but is confident that I made it up.

Thanks for the illuminating input!

 

[Golden_Jet]

I didn't see that, and I've read through all these different posts and have been following the thread & its proponents.

I think you want to believe it though.

I don't see what is being posted as an argument against Reynolds as well, and not sure why you've got that idea, or make that connection. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the posts that I read.

I didn't read the rest of your post. I don't want to get involved in these rather tangental issues that you bring up.

I can't see how thirty-one successful owners would be duped by anyone, or wouldn't do due diligence in something that they own and took years to build.

There definitely a few posters in here that said the sellers choose the owner that goes to BOG for approval. Maybe you didn’t go back far enough,

 

[Ice-Tray]

No. I did NOT say that.

“I guess it boils down to how much help you believe the BoG need in this regard. I'm sure they are just as smart and savvy about what's good for businesses in general and for specifically for them as someone else. They certainly have a vested interest and have been successful in business in the past. I doubt if they are babes in the woods when it comes to acquisitions and such. They will have their own resources and others they've hired to provide advice to them as well outside of anything that the NHL provides.”

You are referring to the BOG as a ’they’, an entity, who have their own smarts and savvy about league business.

You then argue that they hire other people to give them advice about the league, as opposed to the main guy that they hire to give them advice about the league, and run the league.

So yes, you did refer to the BOG as a separate entity from the Gary and the league.

 

[UglyPuckling]

So, I’m reading a post from a person who hasn’t bothered to read through the thread, and admittedly doesn’t understand the discussion points.

No, again you are wrong. I have read the entire thread and all the posts and understand the discussion points. I tend to lurk more than I post.

I stated that in the first sentence of the post that you replied to. It seems like you are not reading all that has been written.

I'm going to jump out of this discussion as I can now see where its going & how pointless it will become.

There definitely a few posters in here that said the sellers choose the owner that goes to BOG for approval. Maybe you didn’t go back far enough,

I read all of the posts from February onward paying special attention to the proponents involved. You even apologized to one the posters involved, a case of mistaken identity. You may remember this.

“I guess it boils down to how much help you believe the BoG need in this regard. I'm sure they are just as smart and savvy about what's good for businesses in general and for specifically for them as someone else. They certainly have a vested interest and have been successful in business in the past. I doubt if they are babes in the woods when it comes to acquisitions and such. They will have their own resources and others they've hired to provide advice to them as well outside of anything that the NHL provides.”

You are referring to the BOG as a ’they’, an entity, who have their own smarts and savvy about league business.

You then argue that they hire other people to give them advice about the league, as opposed to the main guy that they hire to give them advice about the league, and run the league.

So yes, you did refer to the BOG as a separate entity from the Gary and the league.

That's your interpretation of what I said and you playing with words.

This is going nowhere.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I read all of the posts from February onward paying special attention to the proponents involved.

So I said you didn’t go back far enough, but you doubled down. So I’ll do your legwork, since you don’t want to, or believe me.


Here are 2 quotes from this thread, probably more.

Other thing interested his Melnyk daughter who gonna make the choice of the new owner

The owner selling the franchise is the one bringing it to the board,

Maybe try not being so combative.

 

[UglyPuckling]

So I said you didn’t go back far enough, but you doubled down. So I’ll do your legwork, since you don’t want to, or believe me.


Here are 2 quotes from this thread.

Other thing interested his Melnyk daughter who gonna make the choice of the new owner

The owner selling the franchise is the one bringing it to the board,

Maybe try not being so combative.

Who said this? I specifically referred to the proponents involved in this debate. By proponents, I am only talking about the 2 posters involved in this debate.

If you want to widen this to other posters, your #1801 post on March 30th would be interesting where you replied to #1799, March 30th.