Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

[IpsoPostFacto]

For sure. And he's done serious work on the Hockey Canada file, too. Which is why it's sometimes hard to know what standard to hold him to. Is he a serious reporter (for lack of a better term), in which case how was he not engaging with any of the questions around Sparks, or is he a hockey guy in a market that's come to expect very little "journalism" from its Sens reporters.

What you are seeing is access journalism. There is only so far you can go without making someone angry who has the power to freeze you out.

Like them or not, see Ken Warren banned from Sens flights; See Brent Wallace told by Euge he was going to be buried for asking about the 'not paying employees their bonus money' rumour.

The Hockey Canada story would not have necessarily been dangerous from that aspect and the story so notorious that any blow black would have been a stupid move. The Euge story was published bravely, if only by circumstance, after he died.

There is a definite group that does background deeper digging and those that do the more box score, interview the captain type stories. Nothing new about that; it happens in 'normal' reporting too.

What is a little annoying is little lie from all these journalists that "I don't care who wins, just as long as they are good owners". Sure, thanks, let me make a note. They are fans just like us. There is no way they don't have a preference. It could be for the most stupid reason - "I think RR is cool" or a little more legit like "guy is rich" or "guy is a fresh face" - whatever it is - you have a preference.

It would have been the easiest thing in the world to take each bid and form a list of question and either ask bidders, or publish the questions and suggest the bidders get back to them or publicly respond.

I don't think that Mendes has been carrying anyone's water here or even that Sparks is his preferred. What might be happening with all the journalists is "better not to piss anyone off before I have to".

We should probably be lobbying the business writers.

 

[Billy Bridges]

Is it possible the process is moving so slowly because the bidders are trying to sort out the real estate side of the deal?

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

The New York Post is America’s oldest News Paper and was founded by Alexander Hamilton. The first issue was published on Nov. 16, 1801.

The New York Post is more often proven correct on number of contentious issues, when compared to their competitors, who end up writing retractions when the NYP was right from the get go.

Well Alexander Hamilton was a pretty good rapper, in a Broadway kind of way, but a disaster when it comes to dueling, so really, what does he know.

Besides, it's now owned by a crazy Australian who is the scourge of at least three continents, probably 1 of his kids, and a bevy of ex wives. I don't imagine the word 'retraction' is in his vocabulary.

 

[jhutter]

I do have some sympathy for Mendes. Some people have taken legitimate (as far as I'm concerned) criticisms of the depth and quality of his reporting on Sparks and instead started to question his integrity as a journalist. Unfortunately, what happens is that all the attention goes to rebutting the most extreme accusations (e.g. "he's literally working for the bid!"), and distract from what are I think fair critiques.

I don't. He's made his bed. If he had the ability to do the Melnyk story, he can do something similar with Sparks, or at minimum not appear to be flattering towards what is objectively an odd bid.

 

[SensHulk]

Anyone know if GSP has a history of drawing out such negotiations?

 

[Golden_Jet]

It's pretty simple.

The league just generated $6.1B in HRR last season. Divided by 32 teams that's 190M per team. If half goes to the players, that's $95M per team in potential profits (yes the team has more expenses than just players but they also have revenues that aren't included in HRR). That number is a rate of return of almost 10% on $1B and doesn't even include the franchise appreciation that has been going on since the birth of the league.

Even if you half the number, it's still a decent RoR on the investment.

Assen na yo!

Everything I have read says 5.7 billion, so 89 million . But ya good ROI.
Difference between owners and players though , they have to come up with a billion dollars, and also build an arena, so they have a lot of interest on loans each year.
LeBrun said yesterday was between 5.6 and 5.8 billion.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The New York Post is America’s oldest News Paper and was founded by Alexander Hamilton. The first issue was published on Nov. 16, 1801.

The New York Post is more often proven correct on number of contentious issues, when compared to their competitors, who end up writing retractions when the NYP was right from the get go.

I’d prefer the NY Times

Anyone know if GSP has a history of drawing out such negotiations?

Not sure, but the NHL has never had this many bids for a team, where it’s a 2 stage bidding process.

 

[Golden_Jet]

What you are seeing is access journalism. There is only so far you can go without making someone angry who has the power to freeze you out.

Like them or not, see Ken Warren banned from Sens flights; See Brent Wallace told by Euge he was going to be buried for asking about the 'not paying employees their bonus money' rumour.

The Hockey Canada story would not have necessarily been dangerous from that aspect and the story so notorious that any blow black would have been a stupid move. The Euge story was published bravely, if only by circumstance, after he died.

There is a definite group that does background deeper digging and those that do the more box score, interview the captain type stories. Nothing new about that; it happens in 'normal' reporting too.

What is a little annoying is little lie from all these journalists that "I don't care who wins, just as long as they are good owners". Sure, thanks, let me make a note. They are fans just like us. There is no way they don't have a preference. It could be for the most stupid reason - "I think RR is cool" or a little more legit like "guy is rich" or "guy is a fresh face" - whatever it is - you have a preference.

It would have been the easiest thing in the world to take each bid and form a list of question and either ask bidders, or publish the questions and suggest the bidders get back to them or publicly respond.

I don't think that Mendes has been carrying anyone's water here or even that Sparks is his preferred. What might be happening with all the journalists is "better not to piss anyone off before I have to".

We should probably be lobbying the business writers.

Bidders shouldn’t be getting back to anyone, with the NDA, NHL and GSP are not happy about the leaks that have occurred.

 

[MMC]

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

Bidders shouldn’t be getting back to anyone, with the NDA, NHL and GSP are not happy about the leaks that have occurred.

so not happy that they have done ... nothing.

at any rate, don't worry about the details there, the point is there is nothing wrong, in fact everything right, about journalists asking questions - the vast majority of which would not affect any NDA.

 

[Golden_Jet]

so not happy that they have done ... nothing.

at any rate, don't worry about the details there, the point is there is nothing wrong, in fact everything right, about journalists asking questions - the vast majority of which would not affect any NDA.

Disagree

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

Disagree

what's in the NDA?

 

[Sun God Nika]

This ain’t even a update

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

looool of course your a Post fan.

I’m a fan of any news outlet that does its own investigative reporting, and reports on what they’ve uncovered…. The New York Post gets a lot of flak, from their competitors….. because they don’t go along to get along… and report what they find, and let the reader decide whether they’re right or wrong on whatever issue they print.

there is a long list of major issues that the Post got right, and their competitors got wrong.

so, guess you’re a fan of news outlets that get thing wrong.… like your grammar.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Just spitballing, maybe there's the opportunity for an Andlauer and Apostolopoulos partnership, with Andlauer being the hockey-side guy and Apostolopoulos being the real estate-side guy.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

there is a long list of major issues that the Post got right, and their competitors got wrong.

And an equally long list of things they got verifiably wrong. Journalism doesn't work on a "more right than wrong" basis. Credibility matters and theirs has been shot for years.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

I’m a fan of any news outlet that does its own investigative reporting, and reports on what they’ve uncovered…. The New York Post gets a lot of flak, from their competitors….. because they don’t go along to get along… and report what they find, and let the reader decide whether they’re right or wrong on whatever issue they print.

there is a long list of major issues that the Post got right, and their competitors got wrong.

so, guess you’re a fan of news outlets that get thing wrong.… like your grammar.

Ooh, a grammar riposte. What wit.

Yes, there's a long list of things the Post got right. Like the Hunter Biden laptop, or Kamala Harris' book being given out to migrants, or the recent homeless veterans story.

The New York Post is an absolute rag. Their reporting is absolute garbage. It should not be the responsibility of the reader to determine whether the reporting they're reading is actually unverified garbage.

 

[Knave]

Ooh, a grammar riposte. What wit.

Yes, there's a long list of things the Post got right. Like the Hunter Biden laptop, or Kamala Harris' book being given out to migrants, or the recent homeless veterans story.

The New York Post is an absolute rag. Their reporting is absolute garbage. It should not be the responsibility of the reader to determine whether the reporting they're reading is actually unverified garbage.

Yeah if you want investigative reporting you want to look at the other New York paper.

An example: youtube.com/watch?v=gOmYi96cU1M

As for this whole sale process it seems like everyone including the journalists are mostly speculating or getting sources of questionable trust. I just want this to be over. The only group I don't want is the Sparks group mainly because Neko Sparks seems to be into crypto and their funding is a bunch of question marks.

 

[Emerica]

Just spitballing, maybe there's the opportunity for an Andlauer and Apostolopoulos partnership, with Andlauer being the hockey-side guy and Apostolopoulos being the real estate-side guy.

I thought about this as well. Rather than getting the rug pulled from under his feet if Kimels+Andlauer partner or Sparks keeps crowdfunding, Steve A would be smart to partner with either of those groups before they merge together themselves and possibly beat him out. He’s a real estate guy first

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

And an equally long list of things they got verifiably wrong. Journalism doesn't work on a "more right than wrong" basis. Credibility matters and theirs has been shot for years.

as someone who does not share their POV would say…..

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'm sorry but I don't agree. That shouldn't be an option under consideration. They can't gut this team to fit in Kyrie. Either re-sign DLo or find a way to bring in someone like Trae Young.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Ooh, a grammar riposte. What wit.

Yes, there's a long list of things the Post got right. Like the Hunter Biden laptop, or Kamala Harris' book being given out to migrants, or the recent homeless veterans story.

The New York Post is an absolute rag. Their reporting is absolute garbage. It should not be the responsibility of the reader to determine whether the reporting they're reading is actually unverified garbage.

I’m glad you agreed that the two stories you mentioned, the New York Post got correct, right from the get, while years later their competitors had to admit the New York Post was correct, and they had come around, albeit way to late.


Yes, it should not be the responsibility of the reader/listener/viewer to source news from various news outlet, from all points of views, and assorted opinions to make the determination for themselves as to what they see as the correct facts on a given issue….. but that is unfortunately the reality that we live in today, with a group of news outlets that have one Editorial POV, and another group of news outlets with an opposite Editorial POV.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I thought about this as well. Rather than getting the rug pulled from under his feet if Kimels+Andlauer partner or Sparks keeps crowdfunding, Steve A would be smart to partner with either of those groups before they merge together themselves and possibly beat him out. He’s a real estate guy first

He also has the "cleanest" bid in terms of funding. If he gets an NHL established partner with Andlauer/Kimel, that probably solidifies him as the preferred bidder, just based off what we know.

 

[Senator Stanley]

He also has the "cleanest" bid in terms of funding. If he gets an NHL established partner with Andlauer/Kimel, that probably solidifies him as the preferred bidder, just based off what we know.

Watch the deal will fall apart over Steve A's insistence that Nick Kypreos be POHO.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Watch the deal will fall apart over Steve A's insistence that Nick Kypreos be POHO.

If Steve A wins, and wants kipper, nothing anyone can do.