Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

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Gil Gunderson

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I'm guessing Desmarais is the favourite. He already has a relationship with Bettman and the Devcore group a few years ago said they can build the arena with little to no public funds (not that I don't expect them to try).
 
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It’s like when people use irregardless instead of regardless. Both are now acceptable because people have used one incorrectly in place of the other for long enough that it’s slid into acceptable language. But i also get why some people are irked at incorrect usage.
That's like condone versus endorse. People used condone incorrectly for years, so eventually the dictionaries just gave in.
 

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Interesting that this references multiple offers to Melnyk to try to buy the team, one of which being 650 million. So much discussion here about it and whether real offers were made and how much.


GARRIOCH: Two OHL owners have teamed up in a bid to purchase the Ottawa Senators

Some really big players in there. Love to see the Desmarais involved they have very deep pockets. I really hope that the league vets the winning bid with the financial warewithall to build a new arena at Lebreton ASAP.

Atleast they are local. Personally id rather not have a Toronto based business man as the front runner to buy this franchise. We tried that once, no thanks. Want something locally based in the bid. Apparently Desmarais was working with some local parties. The family has strong ties to Ottawa too.
Thanks for sharing. Wow. Partnerships are forming, and this is moving along. Good stuff. Looks like this could get done (i.e., be official) by May. I'd wonder if its status quo then on the trade, player acquisition & new contract commitment front then until the summer (offseason)?
 

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Thanks for sharing. Wow. Partnerships are forming, and this is moving along. Good stuff. Looks like this could get done (i.e., be official) by May. I'd wonder if its status quo then on the trade, player acquisition & new contract commitment front then until the summer (offseason)?
After all the debate here about whether legit offers were ever made, with rumored numbers being closer to 350 mil being called lowball offers, I found it interesting to see two offers to Melnyk basically confirmed in there, one of which for 650 mil.
 

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After all the debate here about whether legit offers were ever made, with rumored numbers being closer to 350 mil being called lowball offers, I found it interesting to see two offers to Melnyk basically confirmed in there, one of which for 650 mil.
Ya, the debate and that theory in general that was going on in here was "interesting" (I'm sure you'll catch the subtlety). Those folks seem to have either disappeared or significantly quieted down shall we say. I found the motivation for such a downer attitude and philosophy was kind of intriguing and interesting. I think there could have been something else at work other than general cynicism, but I suppose that is a topic for another day (or place).

I guess I'm also quite curious as to what this potentially means in the short term like the rest of this season. Are we going to see a moratorium on some things like trades until the off season when the new owners are officially in place? Then you also have the unknown status of the salary cap that also factors into this. Curious minds at work I suppose.
 

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That's like condone versus endorse. People used condone incorrectly for years, so eventually the dictionaries just gave in.
I don't think dictionaries have the definition of the word "condone"; People may be using it incorrectly, but the definition is still basically to pardon or overlook an issue, as opposed to the more proactive "endorse" in the "approve" sense.

Ultimately however, dictionaries aren't intended to dictate usage, but reflect actual usage - although, it takes a little time to catch up. Check the definition of "literally" which now includes "virtually".
 
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Lots of egos to go with the hundreds of millions. Makes me wonder who amongst the groups are willing to let Reynolds and his group have a share and be the front men.

It’s the obvious choice, but as we know first hand, billionaires aren’t always the more rational people, and some definitely don’t like sharing the stage, let alone taking back stage.
 
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I don't think dictionaries have the definition of the word "condone"; People may be using it incorrectly, but the definition is still basically to pardon or overlook an issue, as opposed to the more proactive "endorse" in the "approve" sense.

Ultimately however, dictionaries aren't intended to dictate usage, but reflect actual usage - although, it takes a little time to catch up. Check the definition of "literally" which now includes "virtually".
Its that definition now, but it wasn't many decades ago (it was the opposite). I'm old & have old dictionaries.

Anyhow, I saw a risk in bringing this subject up, and now I regret it. So, I will exit the conversation. All good though.
 

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Ya, the debate and that theory in general that was going on in here was "interesting" (I'm sure you'll catch the subtlety). Those folks seem to have either disappeared or significantly quieted down shall we say. I found the motivation for such a downer attitude and philosophy was kind of intriguing and interesting. I think there could have been something else at work other than general cynicism, but I suppose that is a topic for another day (or place).

I guess I'm also quite curious as to what this potentially means in the short term like the rest of this season. Are we going to see a moratorium on some things like trades until the off season when the new owners are officially in place? Then you also have the unknown status of the salary cap that also factors into this. Curious minds at work I suppose.
Yes it seems its been let go of for the most part. I guess to their credit, so many of these things weren't known when those debates were had.

I've wondered that as well, but if Dorion being hot on the trade market is to be believed, I am not so sure.
 

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I think I'm on the Desmarais train. Seems like he would be a good owner with deep pockets.

Not really interested in these OHL owners. Not rich enough.
 
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Its that definition now, but it wasn't many decades ago (it was the opposite). I'm old & have old dictionaries.

Anyhow, I saw a risk in bringing this subject up, and now I regret it. So, I will exit the conversation. All good though.
Condone still means, and always has meant to “look the other way” about something, no? You neither pardon, nor make excuses about something, you know it’s wrong but choose to do nothing about it.

I definitely agree that it’s missused, like my personal pet peeve “begs the question” instead of “raises the question”… lol

It’s funny to see things evolve to a point where we tend to say something like “I don’t condone such behaviour” as way of saying that I don’t support such behaviour, when really you could simply say “I condone that behaviour” and mean that I don’t support such behaviour, but often let it slide.

“I don’t condone” would mean that you don’t let ‘bad behaviour’ slide.
 

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Yes it seems its been let go of for the most part. I guess to their credit, so many of these things weren't known when those debates were had.

I've wondered that as well, but if Dorion being hot on the trade market is to be believed, I am not so sure.
Ya, I really wonder about some the reporting. It's often hard to tell when its the author/media guy speculating, or whether he has a source and info of substance. You can see if the words selected are things like "I believe" or "I think", but even then, who knows. I do think there's a lot of latching on to things right now given the circumstances of where we are now in the standings. Oh well, wait & see I suppose.
 

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Ya, I really wonder about some the reporting. It's often hard to tell when its the author/media guy speculating, or whether he has a source and info of substance. You can see if the words selected are things like "I believe" or "I think", but even then, who knows. I do think there's a lot of latching on to things right now given the circumstances of where we are now in the standings. Oh well, wait & see I suppose.
For sure. Something like Friedman speculating about Karlsson to the Sens yesterday saying he "believes" those conversations between Dorion and Grier have taken place are obviously born out of speculation and maybe some hearsay, but not direct reporting like some of the times.
 

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Condone still means, and always has meant to “look the other way” about something, no? You neither pardon, nor make excuses about something, you know it’s wrong but choose to do nothing about it.

I definitely agree that it’s missused, like my personal pet peeve “begs the question” instead of “raises the question”… lol

It’s funny to see things evolve to a point where we tend to say something like “I don’t condone such behaviour” as way of saying that I don’t support such behaviour, when really you could simply say “I condone that behaviour” and mean that I don’t support such behaviour, but often let it slide.

“I don’t condone” would mean that you don’t let ‘bad behaviour’ slide.
I believe the term would be "de-discondone" ;).

Either way, I could care less. Now there's a pet peeve.
 

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I think I'm on the Desmarais train. Seems like he would be a good owner with deep pockets.

Not really interested in these OHL owners. Not rich enough.
I'm on the Desmarais and Kimmel partnership train as well, but Andlauer and Tullio should get their due. Andlauer's net worth is about $1.2B (including 20% stake in the HABS) and Tullio had the proper net worth and financials in place to make a $650M offer to Melnyk previously. Just the fact that Andlauer is known to Bettman should make him one of the favourite with all offers being equal.
 

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I'm on the Desmarais and Kimmel partnership train as well, but Andlauer and Tullio should get their due. Andlauer's net worth is about $1.2B (including 20% stake in the HABS) and Tullio had the proper net worth and financials in place to make a $650M offer to Melnyk previously. Just the fact that Andlauer is known to Bettman should make him one of the favourite with all offers being equal.

The Andlaurer/Tullio group can certainly get the financing together, but the well does not run deep enough for my liking IMO. I might be out to lunch but I feel like we'd just be a budget conscious team if that group wins.

I want the DEEP POCKETS baby lol..
 

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For sure. Something like Friedman speculating about Karlsson to the Sens yesterday saying he "believes" those conversations between Dorion and Grier have taken place are obviously born out of speculation and maybe some hearsay, but not direct reporting like some of the times.
Freidman is reputable, he wouldnt say something publicly unless he had a very reliable source.
 

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Lots of egos to go with the hundreds of millions. Makes me wonder who amongst the groups are willing to let Reynolds and his group have a share and be the front men.

It’s the obvious choice, but as we know first hand, billionaires aren’t always the more rational people, and some definitely don’t like sharing the stage, let alone taking back stage.

Lets hope the "character" billionaires are filtered out during the vetting process. Last thing we need in owenrship.... again.
 
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Atleast they are local. Personally id rather not have a Toronto based business man as the front runner to buy this franchise. We tried that once, no thanks. Want something locally based in the bid. Apparently Desmarais was working with some local parties. The family has strong ties to Ottawa too.
Oh I agree their family’s dollars would be most welcome in an ownership setup (as would any of the local names mentioned) I just don’t want their bait and switch construction “optimization” expertise anywhere near the new rink.
 
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