Post-Game Talk: sen

[Unpredictable1]

it for sure was. That was smack dab in the middle of Andrew Hammonds miracle run.

Im also pretty sure that was the road trip that we beat a very good winnipeg jets team 3-2 on a late game goal by chris kreider. May have also been the same game that Dustin Byfuglien tried to kill JT Miller

Legit thought I witnessed a player having his neck broken from a crosscheck.

To this day, it's a marvel to me that JT Miller is walking, skating, and tearing the league up. That coward and dirty play actually made me jump out of my seat.

 

[chosen]

It's just that you can see how this team is actually built towards playing playoff hockey. And it all starts from the goalie out,.... to playing great D in front of him, and being hard to play against with in your face hockey. Reavo, Hunt, Goodrow, and Rooney are going to be very influential in our success. It's always the guys you never think of that come up big.

I doubt Reaves sees much icetime in the playoffs unless there's injuries.

In the end, your stars have to carry the team in the playoffs, with timely contributions from the Goodrows.

 

[chosen]

I love Tyler Mott but he’s not as good as Rooney

I would rather have Motte in the lineup, but it's not all that important.

 

[Larrybiv]

It seems like he got overrated because he was on a juggernaut so everyone's shit on that team didn't stink. Plus, if hockey fans and media don't give props to guys with limited skill because they work hard they won't know what to do with themselves.

Agree, I wouldnt exactly call myself an aficionado of specific players, but have to say that way back early in the season I had specified that I thought Goodrow was overrated to some degree and said he DIDN'T have literally any offensive skills, and someday he would be BEST pkaying on a 4th line which would be a luxury. An expensive luxury. True he does some of the WINNING things you need, but as far as being at best a 3rd liner, well.......seems I was right.

 

[Larrybiv]

Does the translator not know Russian that well? Seems like Panarin, Igor and Kreider (who speaks Russian) is always laughing at the attempts the guy makes.

Patience? What Patience? We have patience? News to me.
Thrilled for what has transpired this year, I DON'T take this for granted, as we really shouldnt be where we are, but we are and with very little help from our fab 3 in Kaapo, Laffy and Chytil.........that is where I am a little disappointed, but have faith they will prosper in the PO's. Where the lights are shining brighter.

 

[McRanger92]

The PP with DeAngelo dancing along the blueline, faking out guys and everything was some of the most globetrotter-esque hockey I've ever seen. Was incredible to watch, regardless of results our PP back then was so much more dangerous looking and up-tempo. Our PP is obviously still excellent but it looks like shit a good portion of the time that it doesn't score. If you watch highlights of our PP with DeAngelo in Panarin's first year it was way more dominant than today, Kreider just reached a new level with deflections. DeAngelo & Lemieux were hilarious on and off the ice, they'd always get into antics together and have huge scrums after whistles. There was an edge, a swagger, a chip on their shoulder and you never knew what they were going to do. Buch has like 20+ moments that were absolute memes (crosscheck to the face of Mantha, popping Machands helmet off his head, stealing Elvis's guitar celly, list goes on). That was a fun ass team and seeing those guys lifting the cup together would've been magical. So much personality and charisma to those teams.

Obviously the goal of sports is to win, you're not gonna see me saying "eh, not enough memes" after we win the cup LOL. But I like to have fun along the way and this team is just less fun on and off the ice. You certainly agree with aspects of our play, I've seen you complain a lot in GDT's saying we're playing like shit. We've got outplayed the majority of this season, hence our abysmal analytics and the fact that oddsmakers have us bellow teams that aren't even in a playoff spot.

Not having fun this year seems like a You problem. This has been the most fun season in years and you miss having losers like Lemiuex & DeAngelo on the team? Seems odd

 

[romba]

@EdJovanovski is just holding a bit of a grudge against management for the TDA fiasco and the VK fiasco, and that's ok

 

[mas0764]

Our C depth isn't great but its BETTER than what chicago had in 2013 when they mowed the entire league down. They had Toews and nothing else. Zibanejad is on par with and arguably better than 2013 Toews.

we're not the 2013 blackhawks, but the point is that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Would you like to be New Jersey? Because they have more young talent at C than we do.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, but there's also historical precedent and there are trends of what works. To that end, I've presented the Athletic's work on what generally constitutes a Cup winner (looking back through a time period that includes the Hawks) and on the basis of GSVA we fall short especially at center.

And even if I agree that MAYBE Zibanejad = Toews (I mean, Toews is a Hall of Famer, a 70 point center and an elite defensive forward, so I think he's probably better than Zibanejad at their peaks), I think we need a couple Lundell well-rounded types to grow with Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil and Kravtsov on the wings.

Of course I don't want to be New Jersey with two solid centers and nothing else in the organization. I want to be this team but with one or two other prudent sales of high-value aging and/or expensive veterans that I could have turned into young top 6 centers.

The problem is everyone has their favorites now and so any time you mention moving a veteran we have to hear an impassioned and incorrect plea about why that player can't be moved without irreparable harm. Either that or people are impatient, want to win now and don't care about 5 years from now, which is foolish for other reasons.

 

[mas0764]

Not having fun this year seems like a You problem. This has been the most fun season in years and you miss having losers like Lemiuex & DeAngelo on the team? Seems odd

Up until the TDL I'd say this was a pretty boring team to watch.

 

[mas0764]

Oh but they did change their stripes.

Thats what the deadline moves did. You can't just ignore them because you feel like it.

I'm not ignoring them. I said quite clearly that the TDL moves have fit like a glove and they've been good adds. Perhaps it's you who is ignoring?

But a couple weeks doesn't really prove much. We will see.

I still think we will have a tough time come the playoffs.

 

[McRanger92]

Up until the TDL I'd say this was a pretty boring team to watch.

I don't find winning boring

 

[mas0764]

I don't find winning boring

I find getting dominated all over the ice and having your goalie steal games for you pretty boring.

Luckily they are playing better now.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

There is more than one way to skin a cat, but there's also historical precedent and there are trends of what works. To that end, I've presented the Athletic's work on what generally constitutes a Cup winner (looking back through a time period that includes the Hawks) and on the basis of GSVA we fall short especially at center.

And even if I agree that MAYBE Zibanejad = Toews (I mean, Toews is a Hall of Famer, a 70 point center and an elite defensive forward, so I think he's probably better than Zibanejad at their peaks), I think we need a couple Lundell well-rounded types to grow with Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil and Kravtsov on the wings.

Of course I don't want to be New Jersey with two solid centers and nothing else in the organization. I want to be this team but with one or two other prudent sales of high-value aging and/or expensive veterans that I could have turned into young top 6 centers.

The problem is everyone has their favorites now and so any time you mention moving a veteran we have to hear an impassioned and incorrect plea about why that player can't be moved without irreparable harm. Either that or people are impatient, want to win now and don't care about 5 years from now, which is foolish for other reasons.

So we’re choosing misery I see

Enjoy.

Like talking to a f***ing wall

 

[rangersfansince08]

Winning is the most addicting feeling in sports. What was fun about being out of the playoffs under Quinn, never winning big games and having cheap shots taken at our players?

This is the most fun season in years. Even besides the winning we saw us win a game with like 5 seconds left, the Trouba hits, Schneider's hit and fight, some rookie challenging Reaves, teams knowing exactly what Kreider is going to do and still not be able to stop it.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I'm not ignoring them. I said quite clearly that the TDL moves have fit like a glove and they've been good adds. Perhaps it's you who is ignoring?

But a couple weeks doesn't really prove much. We will see.

I still think we will have a tough time come the playoffs.

So will literally every team.

There is no fantasy world where we go 98-0 en route to a Stanley cup.

What you want is an unattainable goal.

The reality is, we have an outside shot at a cup THIS YEAR.

Most teams who act in the way you want this team to act never get to be as good as we are right now.

But ya know, the mystery box could be a boat

 

[TominNC]

I dunno, I like talking about roster building.

There's a thread for that. But fair enough, I tend not to speculate on possible moves. Amazingly the professionals work this all out and here we are with a playoff contender

 

[TominNC]

I find getting dominated all over the ice and having your goalie steal games for you pretty boring.

Luckily they are playing better now.

I find great goaltending to be exciting and demoralizing to the opponent. Fortunately we're no also getting better D and better 5v5

 

[clmetsfan]

Not having fun this year seems like a You problem. This has been the most fun season in years and you miss having losers like Lemiuex & DeAngelo on the team? Seems odd

Right?!? I found my mouth gaping open when I finished reading this post. We've got one of the most lethal power plays in the league, and he'd rather watch them be less effective because once in a while our old POS defenseman used to do a spin-o-rama at the blue line and his fellow POS 4th line buddy used to push people after the whistle (and then occasionally get his face caved in)? Good lord.

 

[McRanger92]

Right?!? I found my mouth gaping open when I finished reading this post. We've got one of the most lethal power plays in the league, and he'd rather watch them be less effective because once in a while our old POS defenseman used to do a spin-o-rama at the blue line once in a while? Good lord.

People forget DeAngelo got embarrassed in the the play-in against Carolina when he was here and I expect he will be exposed once again in the playoffs, especially if Carolina has to play BOS or TB. And Lemiuex being mentioned is comical, the guy is a league wide laughingstock and did absolutely nothing positive for the Rangers during his tenure here.

 

[mas0764]

So we’re choosing misery I see

Enjoy.

Like talking to a f***ing wall

How is it misery?

I'm enjoying the run while also advocating that more moves need to be made.

Or are you under the mistaken impression that too many falsely bought into that this is a finished product roster for the next 3 years?

 

[mas0764]

So will literally every team.

There is no fantasy world where we go 98-0 en route to a Stanley cup.

This is a straw man not worth answering.

What you want is an unattainable goal.

No, it isn't. What I want is a roster capable of winning multiple cups over a decade. Two if not three.

This isn't impossible.

Chicago, LA, Tampa, and Pittsburgh have all done it.

In fact, in the past decade, those four teams have won almost all the Cups, so really, if we want even 1, we probably need a roster on par with the rosters that win more than one.

If they can do it, we can do it. We are a big market. Pittsburgh and Tampa are small markets. We have won lotteries. We can attract free agents. We can pour assets into our scouting departments to be the best at drafting. We can skirt the system by being an attractive destination for college free agents.

It's not impossible. It's just incomplete; and people don't like hearing that. But it is.

The reality is, we have an outside shot at a cup THIS YEAR.

Yes. It's an outside shot.

And when, in all likelihood, it ends up falling short this year, we will be asking ourselves what we need to get over the hump like all those teams who win.

Here's the answer: Young, talented centers.

Most teams who act in the way you want this team to act never get to be as good as we are right now.

Most teams who act the way you want this team to act never win a Cup.

But ya know, the mystery box could be a boat

Again, fallacious argument.

I want to duplicate proven multi-Cup winners. Yes, it's hard. Yes, it may fail.

But the odds are better my way than the trying to emulate a Washington or St. Louis to be a one-time winner who gets hot at the right time.

 

[will1066]

PLEASE TELL ME someone else watched this Glenn Anderson clip (either now or live last night) and listen to him be interviewed about the Rangers and come to see he hasn't watched a single Rangers game in the past decade LOL.

He gives the most generic answers (more than once) and when pressed for specific players that will step up in the playoffs...just rambles again and doesn't mention a single player. And again when asked about the trade deadline acquisitions. I was cracking up last night.

I turned it off after 2 minutes. Just knew it was gonna be worthless.

 

[CasusBelli]

I don't want to be a downer lol but I think we look worse than we have the past 2 seasons. We were a high flying offensive team and this season we get hemmed in our own zone the entire game and we've been as boring as any team not named the Isles this season if I'm being honest. Things have certainly changed since the deadline though, but who knows how many of those players we'll be able to keep past this year. I'm a person who likes flash, and loud, bombastic personalities. I think we've created a very milquetoast team reminiscent of our 2010's teams, casting off the guys with "fun" personalities and swagger to them (DeAngelo, Lemieux, Buch, Kravtsov). I find the team overall a lot less likeable now. Watch their interviews, Trouba, Zibanejad, Copp, Fox, all these guys have the personality of a towel & can barely carry a conversation. Just extremely boring humans. No pulse to them. Panarin, Igor & Reaves are very likeable to me but the first two barely speak English and then Reaves is a 4th liner. Just not a fan of the overall direction Drury has taken. He is of a very different school of thought than myself, I think offense is more important than defense, I think skating is the most important attribute in hockey and it's almost as if Drury purposely targets players who can't skate. I value flashiness and players that lift fans out of their seats, I think the entertainment value is a big part of hockey. Kakko & Laf are massively underwhelming yet again and are not looking like they're even going to come close to their pre-draft hype.

You must have loved Bure and prime Hossa.

 

[MrPodz]

The nerd speak is that we're quite frankly a top five team after the deadline. You can find the stats at hockeystatminer on twitter, but we are just dominant in possession lately. We had been getting average goaltending, but igor has been really solid again and it's perfect. I think rest is important but gallant realizes that igor needs to play games to stay in form. It's shown in how we are winning with geo in net and despite that, we still dominate and win. I don't want to jinx anything, but this is a sleeper team. We have better goaltending than everybody, our top four d is envied by the league, our top six since adding at the tdl has been lethal, and our bottom six is helping possession (except for reaves, he just wears down opposition with huge hits which is not reflected in stats).

Some notes:

- I get spread the depth is a solid idea but copp on panarin's wing is the best winger he has played with since the kakko point stretch and before that, better than anybody else. I like copp because he is really good at just going for the puck. Such a strong 5v5 player and it helps panarin because now if they wanna do sexy passes, copp gets it and sends a sexy one back. He can also score! Who knew right? Hunt on that line was like gauthier is to kreider. You see some traits but the player is never coming close to their level of ability.

-i like the kid line idea and it sounds like chytil is coming back soon but I wonder if gallant will actually go through with it. Chytil's speed opens up a lot. Laf is more shooter when he has the chance, and kakko is a boards monster. The speed opens up kakko who then gets the puck and holds it before sending to laf for a one timer. Thats the dream. However, I think their inexperience can cost us so i think you're gonna see copp switch with kakko. Otherwise, that line just won't play as much. Gallant plays the lines he trusts.

- if i am a coach prepping for the rangers, where do I start? Miller is someone who can make a lot of mistakes but because of his superhuman reach, he just gets the puck back. I wish there were more super tall players with miller's ability. What an intense league that would be. The puck would be moved even faster than now. The rangers dont have a weakness save for maybe the third and the occasional gaff from the fourth. However, the d clear up a lot.

-schneider is amazing. I love the kid, he just plays such a good transition game. His defense is not bad and will improve but i like braun more with him. Braun hasnt really had the chance to acclimate in game time scenarios.

- I want to see a win in my lifetime. This team is better than any team we have had since probably 1994. I understand the finals year and the president's trophy, but we have more top end skill than they did. They had guys who knew their system to a fault even. This is a team that can produce something out of nothing, that doesnt get phased, and has a lot of pride in themselves.

 

[RangerLifer]

I wonder if the Canes play their ridiculous pressure style on the road like they do at home and if they still play that style or the grind caught up with them.

I'm thinking and hoping Carolina peaked too early.