Euro: Semifinals - England v. The Netherlands - July 10

[CasusBelli]

Use your height. Play the long ball. That has to be the Dutch MO this game. They also put in a tremendously fast LWB last game, who changed this against Turkey. Wonder why he’s not in.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

He was a 24-year-old linesman with some months of experience going against established referees.

So do you think as a 24 year old he thought "this is just how it works at this level" and decided to just go along with it? I mean it's a basic fundamental question of ethics. I know multiple people who know the referee who fixed the matches outside football and the common take is that he's a sleazeball and windbag. I'm not saying Zwayer should go to prison for it, I'm saying he may have already shown his hand with regard to lacking the level of integrity, judgment and strength of personality that you'd like to see in a referee at the top level.

 

[hatterson]

It's hilarious watching Tripper run onto a ball that would be absolutely ideal for a first time cross only to cut it back inside because he literally doesn't have a left foot.

 

[Live in the Now]

So do you think as a 24 year old he thought "this is just how it works at this level" and decided to just go along with it? I mean it's a basic fundamental question of ethics. I know multiple people who know the referee who fixed the matches outside football and the common take is that he's a sleazeball and windbag. I'm not saying Zwayer should go to prison for it, I'm saying he may have already shown his hand with regard to lacking the level of integrity, judgment and strength of personality that you'd like to see in a referee at the top level.

For me to buy the naivety argument he'd have to be even younger than 24.

 

[Sad People]

I don't watch European football so I was quite conflicted, based on the reports I've heard of him. An impossibly skilled Englishman who just sort of floats about the pitch and controls the ball at will. I thought I was going to hate watching someone like that in an England shirt. Turns out he's the whiniest diver imaginable and as easy to hate as the rest of them. Good.

In league play its a pretty accurate statement. In this tournament youre prettry spot on with your assessment which is why hes been bugging me.

 

[SimpleJack]

Match is becoming increasingly one-sided.

 

[BMann]

Koeman needs to change this up. Maatsen for Ake, Weghorst for Malyen and van Veen for de Vrij. I'm amazed Maatsen is on the bench.

 

[hatterson]

For me to buy the naivety argument he'd have to be even younger than 24.

Also he didn't just say "huh, guess that guy must be a sleazeball". Instead he had the guy directly try to recruit him to fix matches, didn't turn him down, and then later accepted cash with the explicit purpose of fixing the match.

I'm pretty sure my 10 year old with a grand total of 0 seconds of refereeing experience or training knows that's not OK.

 

[Live in the Now]

Also he didn't just say "huh, guess that guy must be a sleazeball". Instead he had the guy directly try to recruit him to fix matches, didn't turn him down, and then later accepted cash with the explicit purpose of fixing the match.

I'm pretty sure my 10 year old with a grand total of 0 seconds of refereeing experience or training knows that's not OK.

Yeah there's also a difference between 'this just happened' and 'this is a conspiracy to make it happen'

 

[BMann]

LOL Bellingham. Rolls around on the pitch grabbing his foot, and as soon as it's clear nothing will be called he pops right back up fine.

English players never simulate. Or the Teutons. Always those damn pesky nasty Latino types.

 

[NyQuil]

At least it's more entertaining.

 

[Sol]

to the 3 brits on here, it aint coming home champ.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

The best two Euro teams played yesterday.

France scored their first goal from open play yesterday. The real final was Germany Spain.

 

[luiginb]

Zirkzee hurt or just not favored by Koeman?

Koeman doesn't trust him for some reason, even plays over the hill Bergwijn and Weghorst ahead of him.

 

[Sad People]

Meh if England moves and can play like this i wont complain at all. Should be a pretty good final IF theyre playing like they currently are.

 

[gary69]

Foden with his best match of the tournament so far. Can't help but liking Mainoo's performance too. Kane hasn't had a good tournament either (and nothing special in this match either), but still somehow has 3 goals. He is too isolated up front, and doesn't move enough, but got better involved near the end of half after wandering deeper and wide.

For the Dutch, Xavi Simons is dangerous, weird if the top teams like PSG or Barca want to get rid of him. Gakpo has been a non-factor so far.

 

[Savant]

Koeman doesn't trust him for some reason, even plays over the hill Bergwijn and Weghorst ahead of him.

He wasn’t even supposed to be in the roster

 

[WTG]

Ake is fantastic, but Van De Ven gives so much more options with his speed

 

[Live in the Now]

Gakpo has been a non-factor so far.

When he's not scoring and not close to goal his final ball is usually extremely bad and that's the case today.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

I don't normally watch City games, so this is the first game where I'm like "okay I see why people rate Foden". That guy may look like he's starring in a movie that's a sad tragic tale about the leader of a chav gang on an English council estate who stabs a rival only to die in a hail of gunfire in the end, but he definitely is an excellent football player.

 

[Savant]

Foden with his best match of the tournament so far. Can't help but liking Mainoo's performance too. Kane hasn't had a good tournament either (and nothing special in this match either), but still somehow has 3 goals. He is too isolated up front, and doesn't move enough, but got better involved near the end of half after wandering deeper and wide.

For the Dutch, Xavi Simons is dangerous, weird if the top teams like PSG or Barca want to get rid of him. Gakpo has been a non-factor so far.

I feel like the Dutch haven’t even tried going down the left all game

 

[Sol]

Van Nistelrooy would have had a hat trick by now

 

[BMann]

I feel like the Dutch haven’t even tried going down the left all game

Where the heck is Maatsen ? Ake is not a natural fit at all.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Foden with his best match of the tournament so far. Can't help but liking Mainoo's performance too. Kane hasn't had a good tournament either (and nothing special in this match either), but still somehow has 3 goals. He is too isolated up front, and doesn't move enough, but got better involved near the end of half after wandering deeper and wide.

For the Dutch, Xavi Simons is dangerous, weird if the top teams like PSG or Barca want to get rid of him. Gakpo has been a non-factor so far.

Mainoo is special.

 

[Savant]

Where the heck is Maatsen ? Ake is not a natural fit at all.

Nothing is wrong with Ake. They probably need Ake for Saka duty.

Maarten is another one who doesn’t really have the manager trust and was not even supposed to be at the tournament