Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[buffa dud]

I believe that had to do with personnel if I remember correctly. Pretty sure Rex was hired after Schwartx was DC, which is when we had one of the best D line in the league. Didn't Rex run a 3-4 and Schwartz run a 4-3?

God I loved that front. Probably my favorite group since 2004, when we had Spikes, Fletcher, Adams, Williams and Milloy.

 

[misterchainsaw]

I believe that had to do with personnel if I remember correctly. Pretty sure Rex was hired after Schwartx was DC, which is when we had one of the best D line in the league. Didn't Rex run a 3-4 and Schwartz run a 4-3?

Yeah, IIRC Schwartz was willing to stay on but Rex wanted to run his defense. But over 3 years he should have been able to get "his" type of personnel on the field. But if anything they got worse.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I believe that had to do with personnel if I remember correctly. Pretty sure Rex was hired after Schwartx was DC, which is when we had one of the best D line in the league. Didn't Rex run a 3-4 and Schwartz run a 4-3?

Yea our defense was great before Ryan and then he imposed his own scheme and system that did not fit the players. Genius

 

[Der Jaeger]

God I loved that front. Probably my favorite group since 2004, when we had Spikes, Fletcher, Adams, Williams and Milloy.

Yeah, IIRC Schwartz was willing to stay on but Rex wanted to run his defense. But over 3 years he should have been able to get "his" type of personnel on the field. But if anything they got worse.

Yea our defense was great before Ryan and then he imposed his own scheme and system that did not fit the players. Genius

Schwartz ran a hybrid 46. Similar to Baltimore. My favorite defense.

 

[Tsujimoto]

Was chatting with a coworker that's a Dallas fan and he mentioned Rob Ryan, and I asked where did he go after Dallas? He said I think he went to Buffalo.

I was convinced Rob Ryan was never in buffalo.

Sure enough, he was.

I must have blacked out during those Ryan years..

I wish I could ave blacked this out...

 

[Husko]

Schwartz ran a hybrid 46. Similar to Baltimore. My favorite defense.

I don't recall Schwartz ever running anything resembling 46. His defense has always been very traditional 4-3, with his wrinkle being the wide 9 with the DEs.

Ryan/Pettine ran a hybrid 3-4 46. Buddy Ryan's old 46 defense molded to look more like a 3-4.

As for Ryan, he hasn't had a top 10 scoring defense since 2010. I pity any team that gives him a serious job.

 

[K8fool]

I wish I could ave blacked this out...

You probably did.

Find the keys to drive yourself. I can't find mine but everyone else has over the years but they must forget to give em back when they're done

That video of the ryans fits perfectly w the photo of the decade from rich stadium (so far hopefully) in the land of the trauma trained

Notice w empathy and sympathy for our compatriot , his eyes laser focused on the Baal/ball , , still the best hands / wr in the league and now part of two miracles

Too bad you can't see the eyes of the saints 43 as he tackles the wrong diggs alot like stefon above catching the wrong ball.

Collect marcus Williams and all other trauma miracle players. Teach them proper use of frankincense and murre the combat being fd w and win us some trophys or be happy to watch great football in a league like wwe as the draft is also. Cough cough. Cya next year maybe to fellow sufferers and all the keyboard army and nsa cia agents controlling the narrative. May we all reap what we sow

 

[ValJamesDuex]

John Butler is out as Bill's CB coach, could be a new lease on life for Elam

Buffalo Bills, DBs coach mutually agree to part ways; team hires new QB and CB coaches

Bills announce the hiring of three new coaches for Sean McDermott's staff.

www.newyorkupstate.com

 

[Der Jaeger]

I don't recall Schwartz ever running anything resembling 46. His defense has always been very traditional 4-3, with his wrinkle being the wide 9 with the DEs.

Ryan/Pettine ran a hybrid 3-4 46. Buddy Ryan's old 46 defense molded to look more like a 3-4.

As for Ryan, he hasn't had a top 10 scoring defense since 2010. I pity any team that gives him a serious job.

No modern 46 resembles a traditional 46. The morphing of the defense is essentially a 4-3 that looks a little like a 3-4 with the safety up near the line (sometimes).

Schematically, one DT plays NT, the other DT plays 3 technique. The weakside DE plays wide and the strong side DE either plays wide or 5 technique. The MLB shades to the strong side, with the WLB more like a 3-4 ILB. The strongside LB either plays wide or shades low inside the strongside DE.

The Bills had Dareus as the NT and Williams as the 3-technique, though they sometimes swaps responsibilities. Hughes was the wide DE. Mario Williams was the strong side DE. Brandon Spikes was the MLB and Preston Brown was the WLB who shades inside. Bradham was the SLB, who was built more like a 3-4 OLB. Brown was built more like a 3-4 ILB. And Searcy was the SS in the box.

Schwartz did run a lot of wide nine on more obvious passing downs, but the morphed 46 was a part of his base D.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Husko]

No modern 46 resembles a traditional 46. The morphing of the defense is essentially a 4-3 that looks a little like a 3-4 with the safety up near the line (sometimes).

Schematically, one DT plays NT, the other DT plays 3 technique. The weakside DE plays wide and the strong side DE either plays wide or 5 technique. The MLB shades to the strong side, with the WLB more like a 3-4 ILB. The strongside LB either plays wide or shades low inside the strongside DE.

The Bills had Dareus as the NT and Williams as the 3-technique, though they sometimes swaps responsibilities. Hughes was the wide DE. Mario Williams was the strong side DE. Brandon Spikes was the MLB and Preston Brown was the WLB who shades inside. Bradham was the SLB, who was built more like a 3-4 OLB. Brown was built more like a 3-4 ILB. And Searcy was the SS in the box.

Schwartz did run a lot of wide nine on more obvious passing downs, but the morphed 46 was a part of his base D.

Yeah I don't have any recollection of that. Wide 9 is his thing, he's synonymous with it. He ran it as schematic his base, still does. Mario and Hughes both played traditional outside the OT DE. Neither lined up in the 5-tech slot like you see in 46 defenses. I also don't think they used their LBs anything like a 46 defenses, with the OLB up on the LOS and outside the SDE. Preston Brown was the everydown, Spikes was the base-only run-stuff LB that came off the field in nickel. Maybe when he first took over the defense there were some elements of that, because there was personnel remaining from Pettine's time where he did run a 46, but that's never been Schwart'z forte. There's articles and interviews with him from when he got hired about transforming the defense from a 46 back to a traditional 4-3.

The evolution of the Bills defense was completely maddening, much of it brought on by Marrone himself changing coordinators back and forth with different schemes.

-2006-2009: Perry Fewell runs a 4-3 under Jauron
-2010-2011: George Edwards switches it to a 3-4 under Gailey
-2012: Gailey fired Edwards, hires Wannstedt, runs a 4-3, Gailey fired
-2013: Pettine runs a 3-4/46 hybrid under Marrone
-2014: Schwartz runs a wide 9 4-3 under Marrone
-2015: Rex Ryan fires Schwartz, brings back the 3-4/46 hybrid Pettine ran, despite Schwartz pioneering a top defense, defense sucks

Aside from inability to find a QB, the personnel pendulum our defense ran for a decade+ was a huge contributor to the drought. Every few years we were starting over with needing new personnel.

 

[buffa dud]

Devin Hester has been selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame... AYFKM. After all the years we had to listen to how Tasker only played special teams, and special teamers aren't good enough to cut it, they're going to let Hester in. Tasker was probably the best special teams' player of all-time, and you're going to let Hester in? This world, man...

 

[Jim Bob]

People hate to consider luck because you cannot do much about it.

 

[Dirty Dog]

People hate to consider luck because you cannot do much about it.

I really wish turnovers would be treated like errors in baseball, and would have a subjective complement. For example, an interception that hits an open WR, bounces five yards into a defender’s hands should not be an INT/TO for the QB

 

[Der Jaeger]

Yeah I don't have any recollection of that. Wide 9 is his thing, he's synonymous with it. He ran it as schematic his base, still does. Mario and Hughes both played traditional outside the OT DE. Neither lined up in the 5-tech slot like you see in 46 defenses. I also don't think they used their LBs anything like a 46 defenses, with the OLB up on the LOS and outside the SDE. Preston Brown was the everydown, Spikes was the base-only run-stuff LB that came off the field in nickel. Maybe when he first took over the defense there were some elements of that, because there was personnel remaining from Pettine's time where he did run a 46, but that's never been Schwart'z forte. There's articles and interviews with him from when he got hired about transforming the defense from a 46 back to a traditional 4-3.

The evolution of the Bills defense was completely maddening, much of it brought on by Marrone himself changing coordinators back and forth with different schemes.

-2006-2009: Perry Fewell runs a 4-3 under Jauron
-2010-2011: George Edwards switches it to a 3-4 under Gailey
-2012: Gailey fired Edwards, hires Wannstedt, runs a 4-3, Gailey fired
-2013: Pettine runs a 3-4/46 hybrid under Marrone
-2014: Schwartz runs a wide 9 4-3 under Marrone
-2015: Rex Ryan fires Schwartz, brings back the 3-4/46 hybrid Pettine ran, despite Schwartz pioneering a top defense, defense sucks

Aside from inability to find a QB, the personnel pendulum our defense ran for a decade+ was a huge contributor to the drought. Every few years we were starting over with needing new personnel.

Your timeline is correct. Look at the personnel that Pettine had and what Schwartz had. Hughes, Dareus, Mario Williams, Kyle Williams up front. Alonso, Lawson, and Moats at LB. Very fluid LB personnel.

Preston played more of an ILB position as the WLB, which is a 46 carryover. The LB that walked up to the LOS was Bradham.

Schwartz had to do some hybrid stuff, because he didn't have the people. Brown was a rookie and Bradham was a reserve.

Lots of DCs do different things when they don't have the personnel package they need right away. I remember Schwartz having to incorporate some 46 as a layover from Pettine.

Schwartz may be remembered as a wide 9 guy, but that not all he could do. He spent a lot of time in Tennessee with Jeff Fisher and Gregg Williams, two coaches who liked to use morphed 46 concepts. Schwartz took over for Williams when he left for Buffalo.

The 2000s were the decade that defenses began using morphed concepts, and personnel who could play in two different schemes. Baltimore and New England were at the forefront. Tennessee was one of those teams as well.

 

[Dingo44]

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

Buffalo is making another addition to their defensive staff. The Bills have hired Matt Edwards as their assistant defensive line coach.
Edwards spent the last two seasons with the Raiders as a defensive assistant and pass rush specialist coach. He helped coach defensive end Maxx Crosby to back-to-back double digit sack seasons, including a career-high 14.5 in 2023.

 

[buffa dud]

I really wish turnovers would be treated like errors in baseball, and would have a subjective complement. For example, an interception that hits an open WR, bounces five yards into a defender’s hands should not be an INT/TO for the QB

Context is a wonderful thing. Sam Howell had 3 more interceptions than Allen, but also set an all-time record for pick-sixes thrown in a single season with 4. Allen, by comparison, has 2... in his entire career. Not all interceptions are equal. And not all interceptions are a result of QB carelessness.

 

[SundherDome]

I really like the coaching hires McDermott has made this off-season. I can't pinpoint it but it seems like right around when he fired Dorsey is when he opened his mind to be outside of his way and it seems to have worked, very curious how he balances that.

 

[Der Jaeger]

PFN mock simulation, accepted a lot of trades with the idea of stacking as many rookies onto the roster as I could.

20 total draft picks. That could be the way. But Beane gets aggressive on draft day.

 

[Ace]

It’s been poured over a thousand times…but so would I.

 

[Jim Bob]

I can't wait for Beane to do a base restructure of Diggs's contract and lock him in for 2024 and 2025 and the media will still throw out the "Diggs wants out" or the team needs to move him stuff.

 

[Jim Bob]

If they can double dip with Franklin in the 1st and Baker in the 3rd....