Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[Husko]

Right now the Bills are sitting with the 14th pick.

You never know how a certain position group will go on draft day.

Few thought JSN would fall as much as he did on draft day, for instance.


A guy that is not an elite separator and isn't great on contested ball situations is similar to Gabe Davis.

This is fair, but if JSN was in this draft class he'd probably be WR5 or 6, at best.

As for Davis and Coleman, I don't see it at all. Gabe is a pure Z. Good blocker, decent deep threat, really limited route tree and struggles to get open. Coleman is a pure X. He can play press coverage on the line. He has elite speed and his acceleration is a strength, whereas Gabe's is a weakness. I'm not familiar with their separation metric but I'll take a look at that. In general, I think the comp is literally apples and oranges. Gabe is a fine #2. Coleman is a swing for the fences bet on a WR1 talent.

 

[Waterfowlist]

When that model wins more than one super bowl a decade, I'll like it.

Agreed!

 

[Jim Bob]

This is fair, but if JSN was in this draft class he'd probably be WR5 or 6, at best.

As for Davis and Coleman, I don't see it at all. Gabe is a pure Z. Good blocker, decent deep threat, really limited route tree and struggles to get open. Coleman is a pure X. He can play press coverage on the line. He has elite speed and his acceleration is a strength, whereas Gabe's is a weakness. I'm not familiar with their separation metric but I'll take a look at that. In general, I think the comp is literally apples and oranges. Gabe is a fine #2. Coleman is a swing for the fences bet on a WR1 talent.

Coleman is not the type of elite route runner, get open quickly, and then be a weapon after the catch with the ball in his hands type of WR that I would want the Bills to target.

 

[Zman5778]

This is fair, but if JSN was in this draft class he'd probably be WR5 or 6, at best.

As for Davis and Coleman, I don't see it at all. Gabe is a pure Z. Good blocker, decent deep threat, really limited route tree and struggles to get open. Coleman is a pure X. He can play press coverage on the line. He has elite speed and his acceleration is a strength, whereas Gabe's is a weakness. I'm not familiar with their separation metric but I'll take a look at that. In general, I think the comp is literally apples and oranges. Gabe is a fine #2. Coleman is a swing for the fences bet on a WR1 talent.

I'm with you on your Coleman analysis. He's a legit #1 WR talent, but of the top 4 he's the "most likely" to not get there. To me, the Davis/Coleman comparison pretty much ends at "average #2 WR"......that's what Davis is and what Coleman could be.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I don't see that comp at all.

The knock on Coleman is average separation skills.

Just had a dream PFF mock. I moved the Bills to pick 22.

1. Graham Barton, OL Duke. Bills center of the future
2. Jordan Morgan, OT Arizona. Bills LT of the future.
3. Brendan Rice, WR USC.

 

[HOOats]

Need someone to tell me why Xavier Legette isn't the next DK Metcalf before I become obsessed with the idea...

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

As a Nole fan, I can tell you Keon Coleman has some of the best contested catch skills I’ve seen. I’d be thrilled to have him.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Right now the Bills are sitting with the 14th pick.

You never know how a certain position group will go on draft day.

Few thought JSN would fall as much as he did on draft day, for instance.


A guy that is not an elite separator and isn't great on contested ball situations is similar to Gabe Davis.

just curious, for you draftnicks what does it take to trade up in the first from 14 to the Giants per se ? 2025 1st ?

As a Nole fan, I can tell you Keon Coleman has some of the best contested catch skills I’ve seen. I’d be thrilled to have him.

How was Deebo's separation scouting in college btw, anyone remember ?

 

[Der Jaeger]

just curious, for you draftnicks what does it take to trade up in the first from 14 to the Giants per se ? 2025 1st ?


How was Deebo's separation scouting in college btw, anyone remember ?

Samuel's separation skills (route running, quickness in and out of breaks) were very good. "Twitchy" was the word scouts used to describe him.

 

[Jim Bob]

just curious, for you draftnicks what does it take to trade up in the first from 14 to the Giants per se ? 2025 1st ?

There are way too many 4 win and 6 win teams to really look at that.

The 4 win teams pick between 4th & 8th.

The 6 win teams pick between 13th and 20th.

2025 NFL Trade Value Chart

Going by the Rich Hill chart, the 6th pick is worth 446 pts.

So, if the Bills have the 17th pick, that would be worth 296 pts. The Bills 2nd round pick (49th overall) would be worth 118 pts. Most future picks get knocked down a whole round in value.

So, to move from 17 to 6, it could be something like 17 [296], 49 [118], and '25 1st [118] (532 pts total) for 6 [446] and 70 [70] (516 pts total).

I doubt Beane gives up that much value given all the needs this team will have for cost effective players moving forward.

 

[Der Jaeger]

just curious, for you draftnicks what does it take to trade up in the first from 14 to the Giants per se ? 2025 1st ?

Beane has a tight cap for 2024 before it opens up again in 2025. I wouldn't be thinking he'd trade up. He needs draftees to fill out the roster for the year.

Where he'll pick, I think the Bills will get a good player. I also think he can trade down, add a pick, and still get a good player.

 

[Der Jaeger]

There are way too many 4 win and 6 win teams to really look at that.

The 4 win teams pick between 4th & 8th.

The 6 win teams pick between 13th and 20th.

2025 NFL Trade Value Chart

Going by the Rich Hill chart, the 6th pick is worth 446 pts.

So, if the Bills have the 17th pick, that would be worth 296 pts. The Bills 2nd round pick (49th overall) would be worth 118 pts. Most future picks get knocked down a whole round in value.

So, to move from 17 to 6, it could be something like 17 [296], 49 [118], and '25 1st [118] (532 pts total) for 6 [446] and 70 [70] (516 pts total).

I doubt Beane gives up that much value given all the needs this team will have for cost effective players moving forward.

I'd trade down in the 1st if I were Beane. That's admittedly going off the current big boards. Going off PFF, and assuming the Bills pick around 20, Beane will have DeJean, Coleman, Egbuka, Kitchens, and Mims as the prime prospects.

Assuming the Bills' grades don't fall around 25, if Beane trades down he could get a high to mid 3rd. At around 28 his options would be Barton, Mitchell, King, Legette, and Newton. I'd make that type of move given that same type of circumstance if it plays out that way on draft day.

 

[Jim Bob]

Beane has a tight cap for 2024 before it opens up again in 2025. I wouldn't be thinking he'd trade up. He needs draftees to fill out the roster for the year.

Where he'll pick, I think the Bills will get a good player. I also think he can trade down, add a pick, and still get a good player.

If Beane moves up, I would expect it to be his usual move up of 2-3 picks to make sure he gets his guy and not a massive 8+ pick move up that costs a ton.

Although, losing the 2nd 3rd rounder to get Douglas might make Beane a bit more cautious this time around.

 

[Der Jaeger]

If Beane moves up, I would expect it to be his usual move up of 2-3 picks to make sure he gets his guy and not a massive 8+ pick move up that costs a ton.

Although, losing the 2nd 3rd rounder to get Douglas might make Beane a bit more cautious this time around.

Agree. And I hope he trades down. I'm a big fan of some of the tier available this draft in rounds 2-4.

 

[Jim Bob]

Agree. And I hope he trades down. I'm a big fan of some of the tier available this draft in rounds 2-4.

The challenge there is that Beane's track record is way more about moving up in the 1st round than moving back.

2023: Traded • 2023 first round pick (#27-Anton Harrison) • 2023 fourth round pick (#130-Tyler Lacy) to Jaguars for • 2023 first round pick (#25-Dalton Kincaid) on 2023-04-27

2022: Traded • 2022 first round pick (#25-Tyler Linderbaum) • 2022 fourth round pick (#130-Jordan Stout) to Ravens for • 2022 first round pick (#23-Kaiir Elam) on 2022-04-28

2021: Stick and pick (Greg Rousseau) at 30

2020: Traded • Stefon Diggs • 2020 seventh round pick (#239-Dane Jackson) to Bills for • 2020 first round pick (#22-Justin Jefferson) • 2020 fifth round pick (#155-Trevis Gipson) • 2020 sixth round pick (#201-James Proche) • 2021 conditional fourth round pick (#134-Janarius Robinson) on 2020-03-16

2019: Stick and pick (Ed Oliver) at 9

2018: Traded • Cordy Glenn • 2018 first round pick (#21-Billy Price) • 2018 fifth round pick (#158-Andrew Brown) to Bengals for • 2018 first round pick (#12-Vita Vea) • 2018 sixth round pick (#187-Ray-Ray McCloud) on 2018-03-14

Traded • 2018 first round pick (#12-Vita Vea) • 2018 second round pick (#53-M.J. Stewart) • 2018 second round pick (#56-Duke Dawson) to Buccaneers for • 2018 first round pick (#7-Josh Allen) • 2018 seventh round pick (#255-Austin Proehl) on 2018-04-26

Traded • 2018 first round pick (#22-Rashaan Evans) • 2018 third round pick (#65-Brandon Parker) to Ravens for • 2018 first round pick (#16-Tremaine Edmunds) • 2018 fifth round pick (#154-Siran Neal) on 2018-04-26

2017: Traded • 2017 first round pick (#27-Tre'Davious White) • 2017 third round pick (#91-John Johnson) • 2018 first round pick (#22-Rashaan Evans) to Bills for • 2017 first round pick (#10-Patrick Mahomes) on 2017-04-27

2018 was Beane's first draft with the Bills. So, you have to go back to that McD without Beane 2017 draft for the last time the Bills traded back in the first round.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The challenge there is that Beane's track record is way more about moving up in the 1st round than moving back.

2023: Traded • 2023 first round pick (#27-Anton Harrison) • 2023 fourth round pick (#130-Tyler Lacy) to Jaguars for • 2023 first round pick (#25-Dalton Kincaid) on 2023-04-27

2022: Traded • 2022 first round pick (#25-Tyler Linderbaum) • 2022 fourth round pick (#130-Jordan Stout) to Ravens for • 2022 first round pick (#23-Kaiir Elam) on 2022-04-28

2021: Stick and pick (Greg Rousseau) at 30

2020: Traded • Stefon Diggs • 2020 seventh round pick (#239-Dane Jackson) to Bills for • 2020 first round pick (#22-Justin Jefferson) • 2020 fifth round pick (#155-Trevis Gipson) • 2020 sixth round pick (#201-James Proche) • 2021 conditional fourth round pick (#134-Janarius Robinson) on 2020-03-16

2019: Stick and pick (Ed Oliver) at 9

2018: Traded • Cordy Glenn • 2018 first round pick (#21-Billy Price) • 2018 fifth round pick (#158-Andrew Brown) to Bengals for • 2018 first round pick (#12-Vita Vea) • 2018 sixth round pick (#187-Ray-Ray McCloud) on 2018-03-14

Traded • 2018 first round pick (#12-Vita Vea) • 2018 second round pick (#53-M.J. Stewart) • 2018 second round pick (#56-Duke Dawson) to Buccaneers for • 2018 first round pick (#7-Josh Allen) • 2018 seventh round pick (#255-Austin Proehl) on 2018-04-26

Traded • 2018 first round pick (#22-Rashaan Evans) • 2018 third round pick (#65-Brandon Parker) to Ravens for • 2018 first round pick (#16-Tremaine Edmunds) • 2018 fifth round pick (#154-Siran Neal) on 2018-04-26

2017: Traded • 2017 first round pick (#27-Tre'Davious White) • 2017 third round pick (#91-John Johnson) • 2018 first round pick (#22-Rashaan Evans) to Bills for • 2017 first round pick (#10-Patrick Mahomes) on 2017-04-27

2018 was Beane's first draft with the Bills. So, you have to go back to that McD without Beane 2017 draft for the last time the Bills traded back in the first round.

I'm hoping that the cap squeeze for 2024 drives him to a trade down.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

This was a really good conversation about who could get restructured, who could get cut, and who the Bills should extend given the current cap situation.



I can't wait to listen to this one.

 

[TheAngryHank]

When that model wins more than one super bowl a decade, I'll like it.

Might see it this season with SF.

 

[Husko]

Samuel's separation skills (route running, quickness in and out of breaks) were very good. "Twitchy" was the word scouts used to describe him.

There were some concerns with his route tree and general route running. Even back then the knock on him was he played more like a RB playing WR than actual receiver. Even now he doesn't have elite separation skills against man coverage. But he's in the perfect situation with a genius coach that knows how to scheme him open. In another offense he might be Laviska Shanault.

 

[Der Jaeger]

There were some concerns with his route tree and general route running. Even back then the knock on him was he played more like a RB playing WR than actual receiver. Even now he doesn't have elite separation skills against man coverage. But he's in the perfect situation with a genius coach that knows how to scheme him open. In another offense he might be Laviska Shanault.

Route tree, sure. In and out of his breaks, he was fine. More than fine. I watched a dozen of his home games in person, plus read his scouting reports.

The ability to sink hips and exploded in stride in another direction is what I looked for. He does that well.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Bills take a corner here

2024 NFL Mock Draft: Patriots trade up to No. 1 for quarterback, Bears land Marvin Harrison Jr.

Jayden Daniels goes ahead of Drake Maye in our Mock Draft 4.0.

www.cbssports.com

 

[ValJamesDuex]

 

[Husko]

Player I'm starting to fall in love with is Cooper DeJean. If the pick isn't WR, OL, or DL, he's pretty much the only player that interests me with our top pick.
-Experience at CB, S, and NB, though he's mostly played CB recently
-Special teams ace as both a returner and gunner
-True playmaker, with 13 PD, 7 INTs, and 3 defensive touchdowns in 23 starts.

I envision him as do everything secondary player that we would primarily deploy at S, though could also pick up NB responsibilities too, which would both take pressure off of Johnson and also make Johnson's deployment more versatile. By all means I think he could be a very good CB in the NFL, but I think he could be a truly special player art S/NB. A playmaker in the middle of the field, he's exactly what our defense needs long term.

 

[brian_griffin]

Well whaddaya know. KC NOT bailed out by the refs at the end there. That said, holy shit was that non-PI egregiously bad. Like "someone should get fired" levels of bad.

Also don't like that KC is going to be pissed off next week.

Haven't read any posts prior to yours. IMO, the non-call on the PI was a makeup for the ridiculous unnecessary roughness on the scramble Mahomes made for the 1st down marker a play or two before where he was trying for the 1st down and was contacted half-in / half-out of bounds by the Packer defender. In that situation Mahomes is a runner trying for a 1st down and the officials CAN NOT in ANY CIRCUMSTANCES protect the runner (who is NOT A QB at that point) by saying the defender lacks the right to deny him the first down. Total and complete BS call. So the non-cal on the PI was a make-up. Whether the league / NFL offices in NY were in the officials ears after the unnecessary roughness call or not, we'll never know, but it wasn't warranted, regardless of which teams were playing and who was rushing the ball toward the sideline.

Need someone to tell me why Xavier Legette isn't the next DK Metcalf before I become obsessed with the idea...

I like Legette from what I've seen this year in college. No issues / drawbacks. Worst decisions could be made.