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Harbaugh has been suspended for 6 Michigan games this season.

Yes, they are undefeated this season.

Yes, Michigan is his alma mater.

But, you wonder when all the issues with breaking NCAA rules creates a situation where he looks to jumping back to the NFL...

Ironically I think you should probably look to the other Harbaugh to realize what you should do with McDermott. The defense, despite the pile of injuries, has kept the bills in games. It's the offense sputtering that has caused the losses to pile up, not losing half of your defense.

My biggest complaint is that I think McDermott should have got a D coordinator and focused more on quality control/attention to detail team wide. I think we've seen that both on the offense and special teams. Sloppy mistakes that weren't there last year are here this year.

McDermott is a great coach and has brought the bills back from 20 years of obscurity. I don't think one bad season is enough to throw him out. If we bomb next year as well, I'll be on board. Lots of weird shit has happened this year so far. And the year is far from over yet.
 
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Ironically I think you should probably look to the other Harbaugh to realize what you should do with McDermott. The defense, despite the pile of injuries, has kept the bills in games. It's the offense sputtering that has caused the losses to pile up, not losing half of your defense.

My biggest complaint is that I think McDermott should have got a D coordinator and focused more on quality control/attention to detail team wide. I think we've seen that both on the offense and special teams. Sloppy mistakes that weren't there last year are here this year.

McDermott is a great coach and has brought the bills back from 20 years of obscurity. I don't think one bad season is enough to throw him out. If we bomb next year as well, I'll be on board. Lots of weird shit has happened this year so far. And the year is far from over yet.
I fully expect McDermott to get another season.

He is far from a great coach for me. He is a middle of the road coach that may not be able to elevate his team to take that next step. And let's be honest, it was the decision to draft Josh Allen that was far and away the biggest thing that has happened to elevate the Bills to the level they are at. It has not been the coaching.
 
I fully expect McDermott to get another season.

He is far from a great coach for me. He is a middle of the road coach that may not be able to elevate his team to take that next step. And let's be honest, it was the decision to draft Josh Allen that was far and away the biggest thing that has happened to elevate the Bills to the level they are at. It has not been the coaching.
It goes hand in hand. You need the 4 pack of owner, GM, head coach, and QB in the NFL.

McDermott is a great NFL head coach. We crap on him for 13 seconds, last year against Cincinnati, and games this season.

But, he was the first step in turning the franchise around. He brought in a winning culture. Gronkowski talked about it this week. The Bills used to be undisciplined. McDermott comes in and now they start playing disciplined, tough football. The Bills started to win games they never did under McDermott, prior to Allen even being drafted.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan make up 17 years of not making the playoffs. I'm not excited about going back to that type of searching for a competent head coach.
 
It goes hand in hand. You need the 4 pack of owner, GM, head coach, and QB in the NFL.

McDermott is a great NFL head coach. We crap on him for 13 seconds, last year against Cincinnati, and games this season.

But, he was the first step in turning the franchise around. He brought in a winning culture. Gronkowski talked about it this week. The Bills used to be undisciplined. McDermott comes in and now they start playing disciplined, tough football. The Bills started to win games they never did under McDermott, prior to Allen even being drafted.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan make up 17 years of not making the playoffs. I'm not excited about going back to that type of searching for a competent head coach.
There's also the question of if Phillips, Williams, Jauron, Gailey, Marrone, or Ryan drafted Allen, does Allen become the Allen we know and love today. I'm really guessing not. Development and situation has as much to do with whether a QB succeeds in the NFL in today's game than the QB himself. But we'll never truly know.
 
It goes hand in hand. You need the 4 pack of owner, GM, head coach, and QB in the NFL.

McDermott is a great NFL head coach. We crap on him for 13 seconds, last year against Cincinnati, and games this season.

But, he was the first step in turning the franchise around. He brought in a winning culture. Gronkowski talked about it this week. The Bills used to be undisciplined. McDermott comes in and now they start playing disciplined, tough football. The Bills started to win games they never did under McDermott, prior to Allen even being drafted.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan make up 17 years of not making the playoffs. I'm not excited about going back to that type of searching for a competent head coach.
people like to pretend mcdermott is just some bum off the street. reality is that he’s top 3 in win % as HC and he started off his first couple of seasons with a truly bad roster.

imo the biggest factor has always been the team’s health. No tre for 13 seconds. half of our starting D out in the back half of last season. same this year in the early going.

why invent problems????? it’s pretty obvious what’s been happening this year. 1. bad offensive scheme/no rhythm to the playcalling. 2. injuries on D affecting our field position and ball control.

it’s as simple as that. no need for the all of the media circus narratives that completely avoid the facts of the matter…. it just gets exhausting
 
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There's also the question of if Phillips, Williams, Jauron, Gailey, Marrone, or Ryan drafted Allen, does Allen become the Allen we know and love today. I'm really guessing not. Development and situation has as much to do with whether a QB succeeds in the NFL in today's game than the QB himself. But we'll never truly know.
people like to pretend mcdermott is just some bum off the street. reality is that he’s top 3 in win % as HC and he started off his first couple of seasons with a truly bad roster.

imo the biggest factor has always been the team’s health. No tre for 13 seconds. half of our starting D out in the back half of last season. same this year in the early going.

why invent problems????? it’s pretty obvious what’s been happening this year. 1. bad offensive scheme/no rhythm to the playcalling. 2. injuries on D affecting our field position and ball control.

it’s as simple as that. no need for the all of the media circus narratives that completely avoid the facts of the matter…. it just gets exhausting
Here's what I think the issues with the Bills are, based on a dated understanding of how a team works (but I still spent a year inside of an NFL franchise).

1.) Offense was built the same way the 1990s Bills offense was: we have better people, we will do a small number of things but do them at such a high level that you can't stop us. This tracks as true for me since the Bills rely on Allen and Diggs to make very high difficulty plays routinely. Orlovsky mentioned this aspect as well.

Fix: diversify the offense and become more of a scheme offense. Eric Bienemy would be a fantastic coordinator for the group in Buffalo. If Washington cleans house, that's who I'd go to. 2nd choice is Josh McDaniel, who isn't a head coach but he's among the best OCs in the game.

2.) McDermott's role on the team is the head coach, not the DC. He's getting results, sure, but he's sacrificing the overall management of the team. That showed up against Denver.

Fix: Find a legit DC to run the defense the way McDermott wants. Ron Rivera would be a great choice, if McDermott can get him to come over. He had success as a head coach in Carolina, but coming off possibly getting released in Washington, he might get passed over for coordinator type hires. He'd get to work with McDermott, who used to be his DC. Eric Washington was his DC, and Holcomb used to work for Rivera as well.

Rivera played and coached a 46 defense, coached a rush linebacker 3-4 defense, and coached a zone 4-3 defense. He knows how to mix in defensive concepts. Imagine the Bills mixing in a 3-4 concept now and again (really a 2-4 or a 3-3) with Miller and Floyd as rush linebackers.

3.) Bills are up against the cap and don't have a lot of room to reset the team.

Fix: Re-structure the core of the team (Allen, Diggs, Knox, Milano, Oliver) and some non-core players (McGovern). Release Hines. Just those moves alone gets the team to around $5M in available cap space.

Think through what to do with White and Miller. Re-structing White saves another $5M. Releasing him saves more but puts a lot of dead cap onto 2024 ($10M) but gets the Bills another $1M in cap space.

Re-structing Miller gets the Bills to $23M in cap space for 2024. He can't be released in 2024 without eating $32M in cap space.

Assume they re-structure White and leave Miller's contract alone. Bills have $10M in cap space. Beane will need to do some work to fill in the roster. He's what it is pre-draft:

WR: Shakir, Shorter
TE: Knox
LT: Dawkins
LG: McGovern
C: Morse
RG: Torrence, Anderson
RT: Brown, Van Demark
TE: Kincaid, Davidson
WR: Diggs, Harty
QB: Allen
RB: Cook, Gilliam

LE: Rousseau
DT: Oliver
NT:
RE: Miller, Johnathan
LB: Milano, Williams
LB: Bernard, Spector
NB: Johnson, Neal
CB: Douglas, Elam
CB: White, Benford
S: Poyer, Hamlin
S:

That's 33 of 50 non-ST positions filled going into the season. Add in 10 draftees and probably some undrafted rookies. Not ideal but doable. Beane won't be able to make big adds, and it's probably a reset year regardless of what he does.

But, with a good OC getting the most out of Allen, Kincaid emerging, and good DC allowing McDermott to be the head coach, and a slew of expiring contracts in 2025, it could be a reset year where they do very well.
 
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It goes hand in hand. You need the 4 pack of owner, GM, head coach, and QB in the NFL.

McDermott is a great NFL head coach. We crap on him for 13 seconds, last year against Cincinnati, and games this season.

But, he was the first step in turning the franchise around. He brought in a winning culture. Gronkowski talked about it this week. The Bills used to be undisciplined. McDermott comes in and now they start playing disciplined, tough football. The Bills started to win games they never did under McDermott, prior to Allen even being drafted.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan make up 17 years of not making the playoffs. I'm not excited about going back to that type of searching for a competent head coach.
McD is an OK head coach. Just because the Bills had a long list of bad head coaching hires and bad QBs before he got here does not mean that McD is a great head coach.

This team is looking like it is taking a huge step back this season after winning the division three straight years. I expect that McD will be back next year. But, a great head coach with a franchise QB like Josh Allen doesn't miss the playoffs if the QB is as healthy as Allen has been this season.

If McD doesn't make the needed moves to get things back on track and back in the playoffs in '24, then I would expect the seat to be really hot.
 
Explain what a wendys is.

This post is a psychological test of this false narrative and a choice for all those involved and i have another phone that proves this post did not appear to most hf boards and was somehow only populated in certain lisy w certain people which also amuses and fills me w dread in the world we inhabit.

Again, explain Wendy's as harsh as you can
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McD is an OK head coach. Just because the Bills had a long list of bad head coaching hires and bad QBs before he got here does not mean that McD is a great head coach.

This team is looking like it is taking a huge step back this season after winning the division three straight years. I expect that McD will be back next year. But, a great head coach with a franchise QB like Josh Allen doesn't miss the playoffs if the QB is as healthy as Allen has been this season.

If McD doesn't make the needed moves to get things back on track and back in the playoffs in '24, then I would expect the seat to be really hot.
Valid. But at the same time, what's your confidence interval in Pegula picking our next coach? :laugh:

If you could tell me we can replace McDermott with Ben Johnson, I'd say ok cool, sign me up. But look at their Sabres hires. Jim Schwartz, Jim Kelly, and Frank Reich after he gets fired by the Panthers will probably be the leading candidates.
 
McD is an OK head coach. Just because the Bills had a long list of bad head coaching hires and bad QBs before he got here does not mean that McD is a great head coach.

This team is looking like it is taking a huge step back this season after winning the division three straight years. I expect that McD will be back next year. But, a great head coach with a franchise QB like Josh Allen doesn't miss the playoffs if the QB is as healthy as Allen has been this season.

If McD doesn't make the needed moves to get things back on track and back in the playoffs in '24, then I would expect the seat to be really hot.
I think he's a top-10 coach, but probably closer to 10 than 5. Not elite, but good. I'm willing to give him another year unless things get really ugly, and he loses the locker-room.

The bolded is a great point, but I also think Allen gets in his own head a lot, which isn't exactly a coaching issue.
 
Here's what I think the issues with the Bills are, based on a dated understanding of how a team works (but I still spent a year inside of an NFL franchise).

1.) Offense was built the same way the 1990s Bills offense was: we have better people, we will do a small number of things but do them at such a high level that you can't stop us. This tracks as true for me since the Bills rely on Allen and Diggs to make very high difficulty plays routinely. Orlovsky mentioned this aspect as well.

Fix: diversify the offense and become more of a scheme offense. Eric Bienemy would be a fantastic coordinator for the group in Buffalo. If Washington cleans house, that's who I'd go to. 2nd choice is Josh McDaniel, who isn't a head coach but he's among the best OCs in the game.

2.) McDermott's role on the team is the head coach, not the DC. He's getting results, sure, but he's sacrificing the overall management of the team. That showed up against Denver.

Fix: Find a legit DC to run the defense the way McDermott wants. Ron Rivera would be a great choice, if McDermott can get him to come over. He had success as a head coach in Carolina, but coming off possibly getting released in Washington, he might get passed over for coordinator type hires. He'd get to work with McDermott, who used to be his DC. Eric Washington was his DC, and Holcomb used to work for Rivera as well.

Rivera played and coached a 46 defense, coached a rush linebacker 3-4 defense, and coached a zone 4-3 defense. He knows how to mix in defensive concepts. Imagine the Bills mixing in a 3-4 concept now and again (really a 2-4 or a 3-3) with Miller and Floyd as rush linebackers.

3.) Bills are up against the cap and don't have a lot of room to reset the team.

Fix: Re-structure the core of the team (Allen, Diggs, Knox, Milano, Oliver) and some non-core players (McGovern). Release Hines. Just those moves alone gets the team to around $5M in available cap space.

Think through what to do with White and Miller. Re-structing White saves another $5M. Releasing him saves more but puts a lot of dead cap onto 2024 ($10M) but gets the Bills another $1M in cap space.

Re-structing Miller gets the Bills to $23M in cap space for 2024. He can't be released in 2024 without eating $32M in cap space.

Assume they re-structure White and leave Miller's contract alone. Bills have $10M in cap space. Beane will need to do some work to fill in the roster. He's what it is pre-draft:

WR: Shakir, Shorter
TE: Knox
LT: Dawkins
LG: McGovern
C: Morse
RG: Torrence, Anderson
RT: Brown, Van Demark
TE: Kincaid, Davidson
WR: Diggs, Harty
QB: Allen
RB: Cook, Gilliam

LE: Rousseau
DT: Oliver
NT:
RE: Miller, Johnathan
LB: Milano, Williams
LB: Bernard, Spector
NB: Johnson, Neal
CB: Douglas, Elam
CB: White, Benford
S: Poyer, Hamlin
S:

That's 33 of 50 non-ST positions filled going into the season. Add in 10 draftees and probably some undrafted rookies. Not ideal but doable. Beane won't be able to make big adds, and it's probably a reset year regardless of what he does.

But, with a good OC getting the most out of Allen, Kincaid emerging, and good DC allowing McDermott to be the head coach, and a slew of expiring contracts in 2025, it could be a reset year where they do very well.


Taking that plan, put this draft onto the roster (used PFF big board to guide a PFN draft):
1.) Amerius Mims, OT Georgia
2.) McKinnley Jackson, DT Texas A&M
3.) Brendan Rice, WR USC
4.) Bryce Foster, C Texas A&M
5.) Lathan Ransom, S Ohio State
5.) Malachi Moore, S Alabama
6.) Jordan Jefferson, DT LSU
6.) Jasheen Davis, DE Wake Forest
6.) Fentrell Cypress, DB Florida State
7.) Ricky Barber, DT UCF

Roster with rookies:
WR: Shakir, Rice, Shorter
TE: Knox
LT: Dawkins, Mims
LG: McGovern
C: Morse, Foster
RG: Torrence, Anderson
RT: Brown, Van Demark
TE: Kincaid, Davidson
WR: Diggs, Harty
QB: Allen
RB: Cook, Gilliam

LE: Rousseau, Davis
DT: Oliver, Jefferson
NT: Jackson, Barber
RE: Miller, Johnathan
LB: Milano, Williams
LB: Bernard, Spector
NB: Johnson, Neal
CB: Douglas, Elam, Cypress
CB: White, Benford
S: Poyer, Hamlin
S: Ransom, Moore

For a "reset" year, that's not a terrible roster going forward. Rebuilt OL. Rebuilt DL. Rebuilt S. Lots of kids getting playing time.
 
McD is an OK head coach. Just because the Bills had a long list of bad head coaching hires and bad QBs before he got here does not mean that McD is a great head coach.

This team is looking like it is taking a huge step back this season after winning the division three straight years. I expect that McD will be back next year. But, a great head coach with a franchise QB like Josh Allen doesn't miss the playoffs if the QB is as healthy as Allen has been this season.

If McD doesn't make the needed moves to get things back on track and back in the playoffs in '24, then I would expect the seat to be really hot.
Good head coaches with franchise QBs miss the playoffs.

Cowher missed the playoffs with prime Roethlisberger.
Tomlin missed the playoffs with Roethlisberger 4 times.
McCarthy missed the playoffs with Rodgers two years before winning the Super Bowl.
Reid missed the playoffs with McNabb twice.
Reid missed the playoffs with Vick twice.
Belichick missed the playoffs with Brady in between his first two Super Bowl wins.

There's more. It happens to good head coaches.
 
Valid. But at the same time, what's your confidence interval in Pegula picking our next coach? :laugh:

If you could tell me we can replace McDermott with Ben Johnson, I'd say ok cool, sign me up. But look at their Sabres hires. Jim Schwartz, Jim Kelly, and Frank Reich after he gets fired by the Panthers will probably be the leading candidates.
There will be a level of risk with replacing McD. Especially with Terry Pegula having a huge say in who the next head coach is.

But, he did get the McD hire right.

Ultimately, it will be about can McD fix things or not. If the best he is is a head coach that wins 0 or 1 playoff game every year, that shouldn't be good enough with Josh Allen as the team's QB.
 
Good head coaches with franchise QBs miss the playoffs.

Cowher missed the playoffs with prime Roethlisberger.
Tomlin missed the playoffs with Roethlisberger 4 times.
McCarthy missed the playoffs with Rodgers two years before winning the Super Bowl.
Reid missed the playoffs with McNabb twice.
Reid missed the playoffs with Vick twice.
Belichick missed the playoffs with Brady in between his first two Super Bowl wins.

There's more. It happens to good head coaches.
The one time that Belichick missed with a healthy Tom Brady was Brady's second year as a starter in the NFL in 2002. Josh Allen is not a young starting QB at this stage in his career.

Reid in Philly was a guy that a lot of people felt was overrated because the Eagles always came up short. And both the Eagles and Reid have seen more success after he was fired than during their time together.

Ultimately, until McD gets to a SB and wins one, he will be viewed as largely an OK mid-tier head coach.
 
The one time that Belichick missed with a healthy Tom Brady was Brady's second year as a starter in the NFL in 2002. Josh Allen is not a young starting QB at this stage in his career.

Reid in Philly was a guy that a lot of people felt was overrated because the Eagles always came up short. And both the Eagles and Reid have seen more success after he was fired than during their time together.

Ultimately, until McD gets to a SB and wins one, he will be viewed as largely an OK mid-tier head coach.
Brady, fair.

The Reid argument is pretty weak. He didn't just become capable of winning SBs because he got Mahomes. He had good QBs in Philly capable of winning Super Bowls.
 
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Brady, fair.

The Reid argument is pretty weak. He didn't just become capable of winning SBs because he got Mahomes. He had good QBs in Philly capable of winning Super Bowls.
The Eagles went to, and lost, one SB in Reid's 14 seasons there.

The Eagles have been to 2 SBs and won 1 in the 11 seasons since Reid was let go.

In 10 seasons in KC, Reid has been to 3 SBs and won 2.

They have gotten better results both as a team and as a coach after Reid left Philly.
 


Been saying this for years. Beane is as to blame as anyone. His failure at WR when the passing game is the only way they win is a big problem. But hey…those Elam and Basham picks were so necessary
 
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Been saying this for years. Beane is as to blame as anyone. His failure at WR when the passing game is the only way they win is a big problem. But hey…those Elam and Basham picks were so necessary

Here are the WRs drafted after Elam that have 700+ receiving yards since being drafted:

Christian Watson (34th overall to GB)
George Pickens (52nd overall to Pit)
Alec Pierce (53rd overall to Ind)
Romeo Doubs (132nd overall to GB)

That's it.

Here are the WRs drafted after Basham that have 1200+ receiving yards since being drafted:

Josh Palmer (77th overall to LAC)
Nico Collins (89th overall to Hou)
Amon-Ra St. Brown (112th overall to Det)

That's it.

It is easier said than done to get impact WRs even in the 20s, let alone at the end of the 2nd round like where Basham was picked (61st overall).
 
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