Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[boots electric]

watch out NFL, the bengals have more bulletin board material

 

[Der Jaeger]

The Eagles went to, and lost, one SB in Reid's 14 seasons there.

The Eagles have been to 2 SBs and won 1 in the 11 seasons since Reid was let go.

In 10 seasons in KC, Reid has been to 3 SBs and won 2.

They have gotten better results both as a team and as a coach after Reid left Philly.

It's worked well for both teams. But to think that somehow Andy Reid wasn't that great in Philly is weird. He went to 3 straight conference finals with McNabb before breaking through and getting to the Super Bowl. He went there one more time with McNabb before McNabb started to fall apart.

Reid had McNabb, a franchise QB, for 10 seasons. He went to the conference finals 6 times with McNabb. Virtually any franchise in the NFL would die for that type of consistency.

And in that time, Reid, McNabb, and the Eagles missed the playoffs twice. And that's my point. Andy Reid was an amazing HC in Philly, with a franchise QB, and had an high level of success. And he still missed the playoffs twice during the run.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

And Burrow might not be all the Bengals lose:

 

[misterchainsaw]

That 3rd wild card spot - and maybe even the 2nd - is WIDE open now.

Cleveland/Pittsburgh probably have too much of a head start though with those defenses.

 

[missingmika]

Quinton Spain:

 

[misterchainsaw]

Quinton Spain:

Oh good a butt hurt former player chiming in.

Dude hasn't been here for 3+ years and has been out of the league for 2. The f*** would he know?

 

[TheStorm]

Quinton Spain:

This was posted here days ago

 

[Dubi Doo]

Quinton Spain:

Spain's been butt hurt for a while now.

 

[zenthusiast]

McDermott doesn’t have to be a bad coach for it to be time to try another angle. Sometimes you have to cut the cord on a Schottenheimer or Fox type

 

[ValJamesDuex]

McDermott doesn’t have to be a bad coach for it to be time to try another angle. Sometimes you have to cut the cord on a Schottenheimer or Fox type

Depending on the bottom not falling out now my guess is Pegula will give him one more season, with the caveat of having to add a Dcooridnator this off season. The bad part if he goes, I'm nearly certain Beane goes with him and I like Beane (although he's not perfect either).

 

[buffa dud]

Been saying this for years. Beane is as to blame as anyone. His failure at WR when the passing game is the only way they win is a big problem. But hey…those Elam and Basham picks were so necessary

Didn't the Chiefs just win the Super Bowl with dirt at the WR position? It's not a necessity - not as much as cap efficiency (how much production you yield per dollar spent.)

Not nearly the tectonic shift as Burrow missing another season, but still pretty significant:

Ravens' Mark Andrews suffered likely season-ending injury on controversial hip-drop tackle

One of the Ravens' best players went down on their first drive with an injury.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Dirty Dog]

McDermott doesn’t have to be a bad coach for it to be time to try another angle. Sometimes you have to cut the cord on a Schottenheimer or Fox type

Aren’t those coaches that were consistently mediocre? For a long time? Hasn’t McDermott led this team to a ton of wins and even playoff wins. And it’s only been a few years as a contender.

 

[stealth1]

That 3rd wild card spot - and maybe even the 2nd - is WIDE open now.

Cleveland/Pittsburgh probably have too much of a head start though with those defenses.

Disagree. I think it ends up being Browns, Pittsburgh, and Houston. I think they go 4-3 down the stretch and finish 9-8

 

[zenthusiast]

Aren’t those coaches that were consistently mediocre? For a long time? Hasn’t McDermott led this team to a ton of wins and even playoff wins. And it’s only been a few years as a contender.

No, Schottenheimer in particular is widely considered the best coach not in the hall of fame and Fox tailed off poorly but had strong stretches in both Carolina and Denver.

I think they’re both good analogues precisely because they had stretches of racking up regular season wins and then coming up short in the postseason without it really being due to their gaffes or anything like, say, Dan Quinn’s disasterclass. But not getting there is the narrative in the end for those two.

 

[zenthusiast]

What I mean by that, anyway, is that I think McDermott is a good coach to have in a vacuum, and maybe a guy that can get some good fortune and win a ring, but in a league that’s so tilted toward offensive strength, he’ll always be a little bit on the back foot. Unless this team really hits a home run with Brady or his replacement their best chance to win a chip will probably be with an offense-minded equivalent

 

[Dirty Dog]

No, Schottenheimer in particular is widely considered the best coach not in the hall of fame and Fox tailed off poorly but had strong stretches in both Carolina and Denver.

I think they’re both good analogues precisely because they had stretches of racking up regular season wins and then coming up short in the postseason without it really being due to their gaffes or anything like, say, Dan Quinn’s disasterclass. But not getting there is the narrative in the end for those two.

But by coming up short in the playoffs you just mean not win a superbowl. The bills have won games in the playoffs each of the three years, and it’s only been three years of having a top team. It just doesn’t seem like a long enough time get that label.

But maybe you’re right, I’m just not quite there yet. No doubt the team has some issues though

 

[K8fool]

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Or you are , completely unaware and not tuned in, but understandable...

 

[zenthusiast]

But by coming up short in the playoffs you just mean not win a superbowl. The bills have won games in the playoffs each of the three years, and it’s only been three years of having a top team. It just doesn’t seem like a long enough time get that label.

But maybe you’re right, I’m just not quite there yet. No doubt the team has some issues though

Yeah. It’s a harsh standard, and one we aren’t used to in a long time, but with Allen at qb I really think it’s an acceptable one to have. The sun hasn’t set on any possibility of a championship, but when I think about this issue it’s what changes I think will maximize that opportunity. If they can right the ship this year and get the offense to play up to its capability the point is moot.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Disagree. I think it ends up being Browns, Pittsburgh, and Houston. I think they go 4-3 down the stretch and finish 9-8

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.....the 7th seed being 9-8 would qualify as "wide open"

 

[Husko]

The Eagles went to, and lost, one SB in Reid's 14 seasons there.

The Eagles have been to 2 SBs and won 1 in the 11 seasons since Reid was let go.

In 10 seasons in KC, Reid has been to 3 SBs and won 2.

They have gotten better results both as a team and as a coach after Reid left Philly.

(And Reid is going to end up in the HOF)

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

Here are the WRs drafted after Elam that have 700+ receiving yards since being drafted:

Christian Watson (34th overall to GB)
George Pickens (52nd overall to Pit)
Alec Pierce (53rd overall to Ind)
Romeo Doubs (132nd overall to GB)

That's it.

Here are the WRs drafted after Basham that have 1200+ receiving yards since being drafted:

Josh Palmer (77th overall to LAC)
Nico Collins (89th overall to Hou)
Amon-Ra St. Brown (112th overall to Det)

That's it.

It is easier said than done to get impact WRs even in the 20s, let alone at the end of the 2nd round like where Basham was picked (61st overall).

To add...

Re: Elam. This was right after 13 seconds, and we saw Gabe go off. A WR2 didn't seem to be a huge need, CB2 was with Levi Wallace an FA and Tre on IR. I'm guessing McDuffie was their guy there, but we all know how the board fell.

Re: Basham. Criticism should be for not taking Creed Humphrey there.......

 

[K8fool]

10 hours ago, Mango said:
I am very curious what McD's thoughts are on this.

Sean mentioned a personal thing with Josh, won't describe it further. I really think Josh is missing his ex Brittany. I don't think you stay together with someone for that long (since high school) if you don't have a strong connection with them. He screwed up. He let his little head do the thinking. And he is feeling the loss. That thousand-yard stare he has on the sidelines? I'll bet it's this.


Twobills take but quite possibly true. Wouldn't be surprised if all were given the cia treatment to destroy relationships Id be curious the origins of the "bartender ". If the above is correct

Sean mentioned a personal thing with Josh, won't describe it further. I really think Josh is missing his ex Brittany. I don't think you stay together with someone for that long (since high school) if you don't have a strong connection with them. He screwed up. He let his little head do the thinking. And he is feeling the loss. That thousand-yard stare he has on the sidelines? I'll bet it's this.


Twobills take but quite possibly true. Wouldn't be surprised if all were given the cia treatment to destroy relationships Id be curious the origins of the "bartender ". If the above is correct

Or just roofied by some ho , always thought the timing of this coming out to his ex before cincy was curious

 

[Paxon]

Explain what a wendys is.

This post is a psychological test of this false narrative and a choice for all those involved and i have another phone that proves this post did not appear to most hf boards and was somehow only populated in certain lisy w certain people which also amuses and fills me w dread in the world we inhabit.

Again, explain Wendy's as harsh as you can

I have another phone that proves Wendy's hit your chin, gagging begin

 

[stealth1]

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.....the 7th seed being 9-8 would qualify as "wide open"

Not really. At 9-8 they still don't make it. It's due to their AFC losses. According to the ESPN playoff machine if Pittsburgh, Cleveland and the Bills all finish 9-8, Buffalo is out. Cleveland and Pittsburgh just need to go 4-4 for that to happen. Their really only hope is for the Texans to struggle down the stretch.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Not really. At 9-8 they still don't make it. It's due to their AFC losses. According to the ESPN playoff machine if Pittsburgh, Cleveland and the Bills all finish 9-8, Buffalo is out. Cleveland and Pittsburgh just need to go 4-4 for that to happen. Their really only hope is for the Texans to struggle down the stretch.

I think there is a very good chance the Steelers and Browns play less than .500 ball