Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[Jim Bob]

 

[GameMisconduct]

Doubt there is much here, though it's fascinating to see this stuff take on a life of its own. I find it hard to fathom how working on keeping a consitent mental state and not getting to high or two low when you have the load to mentally to process that a modern NFL QB does is seen as a bad or fringe thing. The term low positive is new to many and the catchphrase nature of it makes it ripe for derision in the same way that many buzzwords do, but the principle is tried and true and something that isn't a new concept, especially for someone who has shown that getting off-kilter can effect his game--Sugar-high Josh anyone? If he has used the phrase even-keeled or something simlar, I don't hink there is quite the same potential to seek out an angle and or drama to sell a narrative (click driven coverage pays the bills). Josh has a long, long way to go before he reaches Rogers' level on that front.

Wawrow can go back to his basement lair or whereever he operates from (the basement isn't a dig, for any unfamiliar, feel free to reference his pandemic adjacent infamous zoom personal 'style' at media events). I can occasionally appreciate his access to info, but he has never exactly come across as a font of football wisdom. Quoting a single sentance opinion from an unnamed football buddy of his doesn't do a whole lot for me either. There are more junk opions that good ones out there.

 

[Jim Bob]

Doubt there is much here, though it's fascinating to see this stuff take on a life of its own. I find it hard to fathom how working on keeping a consitent mental state and not getting to high or two low when you have the load to mentally to process that a modern NFL QB does isseen as a bad thing. The term low positive is new to many and the catchphrase nature of it makes it ripe for derision in the same way that many buzzwords do, but the principle is tried and true and something that isn't a new concept, especially for someone who has shown that getting off-kilter can effect his game--Sugar-high Josh anyone? If he has used the phrase even-keeled or something simlar, I don't hink there is quite the same potential to seek out an angle and or drama to sell a narrative (click driven coverage pays the Bills). Josh has a long, long way to go before he reaches Rogers' level on that front.

Wawrow can go back to his basement lair or whereever he operates from (the basement isn't a dig, for any unfamiliar, feel free to reference his pandemic adjacent infamous zoom personal 'style' at media events). I can occasionally appreciate his access to info, but he has never exactly come across as a font of football wisdom. Quoting a single sentance opinion from an unnamed football buddy of his doesn't do a whole lot for me either. There are more junk opions that good ones out there.

I think it is simply the fact that things are not going as well offensively and people are overanalyzing every little thing as a response.

It's like people flipping out that the head coach has input into the offense.

Like offensive head coaches have no input on the defense...

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Zman5778]

Hmmmmm. Gotta think this means Elam is scratched. Again.

As far as Isabella goes -- maybe we're just using him to fill Knox's space and then using Gilliam/Anderson as the "blocking TE"?

 

[yahhockey]

Elam? Davis? Time will tell. The other WRs shouldn't warrant eyeballs. Even Elam to a degree doesn't warrant eyeballs.

 

[kirby11]

Well, chalk Elam up as another massive draft whiff. I liked the idea of getting a more athletically gifted man corner to complement a bunch of zone-only, physically limited dudes + Tre, but it seems like he's just not showing them anything in practice to get on the field, and he hasn't helped his case all that much when he's played in games this year.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Well, chalk Elam up as another massive draft whiff. I liked the idea of getting a more athletically gifted man corner to complement a bunch of zone-only, physically limited dudes + Tre, but it seems like he's just not showing them anything in practice to get on the field, and he hasn't helped his case all that much when he's played in games this year.

Another? Our drafting under Beane has been extremely good and better than most teams

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

Hmmmmm. Gotta think this means Elam is scratched. Again.

As far as Isabella goes -- maybe we're just using him to fill Knox's space and then using Gilliam/Anderson as the "blocking TE"?

I expect that they will lean more into 11 personnel with Knox & Morris out and Isabella elevated. On likely run plays, you will get 12 personnel with David Edwards reporting as eligible and playing the blocking TE role.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I expect that they will lean more into 11 personnel with Knox & Morris out and Isabella elevated. On likely run plays, you will get 12 personnel with David Edwards reporting as eligible and playing the blocking TE role.

I'd run 11 personnel until either is back. If Buffalo is going to make 12 a thing, they probably need 4 TEs.

 

[Jim Bob]

Another? Our drafting under Beane has been extremely good and better than most teams

Beane's 1st round picks:

2018: Allen & Edmunds - Neither was a whiff
2019: Oliver - Not a whiff
2021: Rousseau - Not a whiff
2022: Elam - Whiff
2023: Kincaid - Not a whiff

Beane's record on Day 2 is less stellar.

And Beane has had some massive Ws on Day 3. Their 3 starting CBs this week are all day 3 picks under Beane.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

1.) Who is this Josh Brown guy, and is he credible?

Never heard of him, so NO.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Beane's 1st round picks:

2018: Allen & Edmunds - Neither was a whiff
2019: Oliver - Not a whiff
2021: Rousseau - Not a whiff
2022: Elam - Whiff
2023: Kincaid - Not a whiff

Beane's record on Day 2 is less stellar.

And Beane has had some massive Ws on Day 3. Their 3 starting CBs this week are all day 3 picks under Beane.

It's a mixed bad but some really good picks on day 2. I'd say he's at least middle of the pack and maybe higher among NFL GMs.

2018: Harrison (3rd) good
2019: Ford (2nd) bad, Singletary (3rd) good, Knox (3rd) good
2020: Epenesa (2nd) just crossing the threshold from bad to good, Moss (3rd) bad for the Bills
2021: Basham (2nd) bad, Brown (3rd) good
2022: Cook (2nd) good, Bernard (3rd) good
2023: Torrence (2nd) good, Williams (3rd) too early to tell

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Elam? Davis? Time will tell. The other WRs shouldn't warrant eyeballs. Even Elam to a degree doesn't warrant eyeballs.

Von, Cook ?

 

[Ace]

Elam is going to be a healthy inactive for an off the couch, completely washed 35 year old corner who just got to town.

So many things they could have done with that pick that would have been a better move. Pretty much anything from draft a WR to throw it in the f***ing trash.

Theres an alternate reality where we used the Elam and Basham picks on offense and are currently undefeated.

 

[buffalowing88]

Beane's 1st round picks:

2018: Allen & Edmunds - Neither was a whiff
2019: Oliver - Not a whiff
2021: Rousseau - Not a whiff
2022: Elam - Whiff
2023: Kincaid - Not a whiff

Beane's record on Day 2 is less stellar.

And Beane has had some massive Ws on Day 3. Their 3 starting CBs this week are all day 3 picks under Beane.

Maybe I'm a tough grader but I'm not prepared to call Oliver or Rousseau "not a whiff" just yet. Rousseau has been solid but hasn't strung together a long enough stretch yet. Oliver is even less consistent and while he's shown flashes, I feel like even a year ago we would have seen a greater consensus saying he was a whiff. They are both TBD, as is Kincaid obviously.

I agree that Beane is an excellent Day 3 GM, though. Just absurd with the amount of late-round value he grabs.

 

[Jim Bob]

Maybe I'm a tough grader but I'm not prepared to call Oliver or Rousseau "not a whiff" just yet. Rousseau has been solid but hasn't strung together a long enough stretch yet. Oliver is even less consistent and while he's shown flashes, I feel like even a year ago we would have seen a greater consensus saying he was a whiff. They are both TBD, as is Kincaid obviously.

I agree that Beane is an excellent Day 3 GM, though. Just absurd with the amount of late-round value he grabs.

Getting a starting DL that you sign to a second contract in the back half of the 1st round is not a whiff.

Oliver is that and I think that Rousseau is likely to re-sign unless he wants crazy money elsewhere ala Edmunds.

 

[Jim Bob]

It's a mixed bad but some really good picks on day 2. I'd say he's at least middle of the pack and maybe higher among NFL GMs.

2018: Harrison (3rd) good
2019: Ford (2nd) bad, Singletary (3rd) good, Knox (3rd) good
2020: Epenesa (2nd) just crossing the threshold from bad to good, Moss (3rd) bad for the Bills
2021: Basham (2nd) bad, Brown (3rd) good
2022: Cook (2nd) good, Bernard (3rd) good
2023: Torrence (2nd) good, Williams (3rd) too early to tell

The biggest complaint I can see with Beanes drafts is not enough HRs, especially on offense. He has been good with a few HRs (Allen most notably), but a lot of singles and doubles.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Getting a starting DL that you sign to a second contract in the back half of the 1st round is not a whiff.

Oliver is that and I think that Rousseau is likely to re-sign unless he wants crazy money elsewhere ala Edmunds.

Well, it going to snow next week! Pleasant tonight.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The biggest complaint I can see with Beanes drafts is not enough HRs, especially on offense. He has been good with a few HRs (Allen most notably), but a lot of singles and doubles.

I'd just like some offensive linemen.......

 

[Husko]

I expect that they will lean more into 11 personnel with Knox & Morris out and Isabella elevated. On likely run plays, you will get 12 personnel with David Edwards reporting as eligible and playing the blocking TE role.

I'd run 11 personnel until either is back. If Buffalo is going to make 12 a thing, they probably need 4 TEs.

I think we'll still see a heavy dose of 12/21 with Gilliam playing as he in-line TE. I know he's technically a fullback, but other than genuine short yardage situations he's mostly played on the LOS when they've used him.

 

[buffa dud]

The biggest complaint I can see with Beanes drafts is not enough HRs, especially on offense. He has been good with a few HRs (Allen most notably), but a lot of singles and doubles.

I tend to agree - we'd all like to see more All-Pro selections. But, unless you're drafting in the top-half of the first-round (in the NFL), you really can't fault Beane for not finding the outlier each and every year.

That's the unfortunate part of the draft, the waiver wire, the salary cap... it's all set up for the best teams to fail and the worst teams to pick themselves back up again. Unless you're the Jets, Bills, Lions or Browns. Then you just suffer perpetually.

 

[Dirty Dog]

It's a mixed bad but some really good picks on day 2. I'd say he's at least middle of the pack and maybe higher among NFL GMs.

2018: Harrison (3rd) good
2019: Ford (2nd) bad, Singletary (3rd) good, Knox (3rd) good
2020: Epenesa (2nd) just crossing the threshold from bad to good, Moss (3rd) bad for the Bills
2021: Basham (2nd) bad, Brown (3rd) good
2022: Cook (2nd) good, Bernard (3rd) good
2023: Torrence (2nd) good, Williams (3rd) too early to tell

Even Moss wasn’t a bad pick. I just think the offense philosophy really evolved when Allen truly broke out a few months later, and Moss didn’t fit what they wanted to do.

 

[brian_griffin]

Just pushed back from ROC for flight to CLT. Will likely miss all but 4th quarter.

Thinking of changing my avatar location to John Wawrow’s basement. It’s currently “in the company of jerks” referencing the hurricanes rallying cry a couple years ago.