Insane play. He knew where the passing lane to his moving D would be before the puck's even close to him. He makes that one touch through 3 sticks look so easy... Our own Kuch-lite prospect.
Edit: 4 sticks
Prospect Info: Sean Farrell, C/LW, 124th Overall
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Insane play. He knew where the passing lane to his moving D would be before the puck's even close to him. He makes that one touch through 3 sticks look so easy... Our own Kuch-lite prospect.
Edit: 4 sticks
It's not a hard and fast rule, but for me the older a player is, the bigger impact he needs to have, and for several yeares, to be worth sending a youngster. It also matters which youngster. Guhle and Kidney are not the same value.Well yeah that's a kid for a kid. That ship have sailed though
But please KH do not acquire 27+ years old players in exchange for our kids. We are not there yet.
Also, a 27 year old is not old, even if our compete window is 4-5 years. All Cup winning teams have multiple guys who are 30-32 and some even older.
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Well like you said it depends on how good the player is. If it's Chelios (he was 28 when we traded him) then yeah. All players slow down in their early 30ies. It's a myth and one that is too strong that some players do not slow down. Obviously if you are Chelios you are slowly down from a legend/HOF status so you don't see it until mid 30ies usually. But if you're Anderson or Gallagher you are already a fringe top 6 as soon as you slow down you become a depth player.
Acquiring fringe players like Linden past 27 is rarely a good idea. Obviously if we can get Draistl or Pasternak this is a different story
But those guys are usually not available.Kadri had a career year at 31 so you never know.It's not the same for everyne.Well like you said it depends on how good the player is. If it's Chelios (he was 28 when we traded him) then yeah. All players slow down in their early 30ies. It's a myth and one that is too strong that some players do not slow down. Obviously if you are Chelios you are slowly down from a legend/HOF status so you don't see it until mid 30ies usually. But if you're Anderson or Gallagher you are already a fringe top 6 as soon as you slow down you become a depth player.
Acquiring fringe players like Linden past 27 is rarely a good idea. Obviously if we can get Draistl or Pasternak this is a different story
Petry had his best years past 30. However, defencemen in general peak later than forwards. Chelios is another example; Giordano, Chara, Keith, and many, many more were effective into their mid to late 30s.
So I would alter the rule of 27 for forwards to 29 for d-men, though in both cases I would not want 7 year deals for big, big bucks at this stage of our rebuild. I was happy to dodge the Huberdeau bullet.
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Bedard and Fantelli are just two examples of the players available in the upcoming draft. Word is the first 8 are really good...
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Well like you said it depends on how good the player is. If it's Chelios (he was 28 when we traded him) then yeah. All players slow down in their early 30ies. It's a myth and one that is too strong that some players do not slow down. Obviously if you are Chelios you are slowly down from a legend/HOF status so you don't see it until mid 30ies usually. But if you're Anderson or Gallagher you are already a fringe top 6 as soon as you slow down you become a depth player.
Acquiring fringe players like Linden past 27 is rarely a good idea. Obviously if we can get Draistl or Pasternak this is a different story
Defensemen often peak in their 30s.
Doug Harvey didn't win a single of his 7 Norris trophies before age 30. Neither did Nicklas Lidstrom. They have exactly 0 Norris trophy in their 20s, yet have 14 Norris trophies combined between the two of them.
Chara was 29 when he got in Boston. I think we can all agree most of his legacy is from his Boston days, not Ottawa.
The defensemen who excel younger in their 20s are often the offensive types like Brian Leetch, tho obviously not always.
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Not sure. I thought he looked fine and with his Olympics and the fact he's a fourth rounder "." seems like a strange take considering everything. Pretty floored you would say this.
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But do you want to gamble? Unless you're almost sure the kid you trade will never amount to anything (Collberg) then personally i'M not gambling. Maybe i'm higher on Farrell than other people but i think he'll be very good as long as we have the guys to play with him and with Slaf and dach we might very well have them.
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I think we can all agree that the value in acquiring older players varies on a case-by-case basis.
Lidstrom won 7 Norris trophies in his 30s because the level of marquis names among his competition, as voted by the vacuous PWHA, dropped off a cliff. He did not peak as a hockey player at 36. Goddamn was he great though.
Lidstrom won 7 Norris trophies in his 30s because the level of marquis names among his competition, as voted by the vacuous PWHA, dropped off a cliff. He did not peak as a hockey player at 36. Goddamn was he great though.
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you can't compare that generation of Dmen to today's group of sissies lol. Guys can play so much longer now, they aren't fighting every game, drinking every night, and smoking between periods while feeling up broads behind the bleachers. Also today's kids don't deal with their gear gaining 10 lbs of sweat and ice during 3 periods. Edit - Besides Arbs, he MAY be doing all those things and that's probably why I love the kid.
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If today's players are truly sissies, as you claim, then it's only a matter of time before a shrewd GM builds a rough team that will destroy them and win championships, leading to an adjustment by other teams copycatting the champion. You'll see the drafting philosophies change, who gets more icetime, who makes the NHL or not among borderline players, etc. It's a cycle.
The Maestro himself did a little bit of that in 2021 with his tall, physical Top 4 on the blueline, which worked like a charm until they met a team that was just too good. But I'm sure GMs took note, but it'll take a while to see the changes from these notes. People are jealous of us having Xhekaj just now. Tough hockey will return, because the history of this sport has shown that toughness works, as long as it's complemented with skills.
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I still think its a good formula , big physical teams with that mix of talent, they go a long ways.
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Against a really good Michigan team, he put up 3 assists in 2 games. Definitely a progression from him this year as he's just involved and productive in every game.
Don't think he's extending him even if the best offer is a 2nd. The offer isn't going to be better than that next year when you run the risk of injuries returning, an extension for Monahan isn't going to be a one year deal, he'll want some security and being a center on the open market will always get you paid.
Hughes got a 2nd for Kulak. I believe he'll easily swindle a team for a 1st for Monahan. He doesn't have to be the best forward available, he just has to be a forward that a team trying to win it all wants. Teams looking to go further (Toronto as an example), teams with shallow forward depth (Oilers as an example), contenders with weak middles (Colorado as an example) or aging cores looking for one last ring (Pittsburgh as an example) will all be looking at Monahan and not all of them can acquire Kane or Toews. So someone will eventually pay the asking price. Also keep in mind Toews/Kane have NTC so a lot of the contending teams may not be in the conversation.
Farrell is a high hockey IQ player with fantastic hands, playmaking ability and a really sneaky shot. He played the Olympics and World Championships where he kept climbing the line-up every time because of his skill and intelligence, for a smaller player he was trusted to kill penalties and defend leads with the goalie pulled in both those tournaments with pro players on the roster. This is something Knies and Abruzesse weren't even tasked with as other prospects on Team USA.
You're looking at an extremely versatile player who will play anywhere in a line-up. He can be a scoring forward or he can form a part of an effective 3rd line. He will be a valuable PK player who will also be a threat shorthanded (he already has 2 short handed goals and a short handed assist this season).
I see Farrell and Beck forming a 3rd line with a bigger bodied forward on the other flank and being very similar to the Gourde-Coleman-Goodrow line that played behind the more sexy lines but was arguably the most effective and important line for their cup wins.
Don't think he's extending him even if the best offer is a 2nd. The offer isn't going to be better than that next year when you run the risk of injuries returning, an extension for Monahan isn't going to be a one year deal, he'll want some security and being a center on the open market will always get you paid.
Hughes got a 2nd for Kulak. I believe he'll easily swindle a team for a 1st for Monahan. He doesn't have to be the best forward available, he just has to be a forward that a team trying to win it all wants. Teams looking to go further (Toronto as an example), teams with shallow forward depth (Oilers as an example), contenders with weak middles (Colorado as an example) or aging cores looking for one last ring (Pittsburgh as an example) will all be looking at Monahan and not all of them can acquire Kane or Toews. So someone will eventually pay the asking price. Also keep in mind Toews/Kane have NTC so a lot of the contending teams may not be in the conversation.
Farrell is a high hockey IQ player with fantastic hands, playmaking ability and a really sneaky shot. He played the Olympics and World Championships where he kept climbing the line-up every time because of his skill and intelligence, for a smaller player he was trusted to kill penalties and defend leads with the goalie pulled in both those tournaments with pro players on the roster. This is something Knies and Abruzesse weren't even tasked with as other prospects on Team USA.
You're looking at an extremely versatile player who will play anywhere in a line-up. He can be a scoring forward or he can form a part of an effective 3rd line. He will be a valuable PK player who will also be a threat shorthanded (he already has 2 short handed goals and a short handed assist this season).
I see Farrell and Beck forming a 3rd line with a bigger bodied forward on the other flank and being very similar to the Gourde-Coleman-Goodrow line that played behind the more sexy lines but was arguably the most effective and important line for their cup wins.
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Drouinm Dadonov and Byron won't last past this year, but Monahan is still an open question. A lot depends on his salary demands. If he really wants to stay with the club that gave him a second lease on life and will take a shortish deal (max 3 years), it's hard not to see how much he would help this club compete by 2024-25.
If Farrell has the offensive skills, I would put Slaf with Suzi and Goal to give them size, and put Monahan and Dach to surround Farrell with size.
Heineman-Beck (if ready next year, otherwise Dvorak one more year)-Anderson would be the 3rd line, and one or both of the guys we draft mid-first round this year may make the team, though likely only 1-2 years later.
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Cheers, sounds quite promising then for sure. Maybe Heinemann or a similar projected skillset on the right (a big guy with a shot who can take fancy passes).
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So our middle 6 next year would be 5 rookies and 19 year old Slaf? And another rookie on the 4th line in RHP? On top of our top line already being all 23 and under?
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We'll see how the market is.
O'Reilly and Tarasenko may also be for sale, to name just two. We just have to wait and see how many forwards will be available and how many teams need forwards. With the draft being so good, there may be a lot more teams looking to sell and more teams reluctant to give up a 1st...
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Le match de samedi entre les Wolverines du Michigan et le Crimson de Harvard vient de prendre fin, 4-1 pour le Michigan. Malgré l’animosité, le tout se conclut par la traditionnelle poignée de main.
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Le match de samedi entre les Wolverines du Michigan et le Crimson de Harvard vient de prendre fin, 4-1 pour le Michigan. Malgré l’animosité, le tout se conclut par la traditionnelle poignée de main.
Marty is gonna love this kid. He's a coaches dream. Him and Beck, man. It's gonna be a duo and it's going to rule.
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Nah he’s gonna play with Suzuki because Cole will play with either Carlsson or Fantilli next year
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Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Farrell - Beck - Slaf
Hutson (haha) - Mesar - Heineman
Roy - Kidney - Ylonen/Simoneau/Rohrer/Guidon
And we have more prospects on the way from the next draft...
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