Value of: Scott Mayfield

[Dazed and Confused]

Mayfield is not being traded. He's a top 4 defensive Defenseman on a 1.45M per year contract for next year. Good playoff guy too. No way especially for these low ball overs.

Pelech, Pulock, Dobson and Mayfield...We just need to add a offensive Dman to this group.

Not the topic of this thread, but this is a point where I see the EDM and NYI as decent trading partners. Edmonton has a spare OFD, and NYI have a starting caliber goalie sitting behind their new young #1.

Something around Barrie for Varlamov is a hockey trade that could help both.

 

[ratbid]

That’s the goal. Just gotta gut our prospects to make it happen lol.

I mean I'm no Leafs fan at all, but picking up Mayfield and Manson would probably be worth gutting your prospects to a certain degree. Toronto with solid defence is a scary team and with the current roster/contracts they have to make it happen sooner rather than later.

 

[The Assclown]

I mean I'm no Leafs fan at all, but picking up Mayfield and Manson would probably be worth gutting your prospects to a certain degree. Toronto with solid defence is a scary team and with the current roster/contracts they have to make it happen sooner rather than later.

Agree.. even a combo of Mayfield OR Manson and Ben Chariot, albeit on the bottom pairing, would be a huge win for Toronto

 

[PWJunior]

Not the topic of this thread, but this is a point where I see the EDM and NYI as decent trading partners. Edmonton has a spare OFD, and NYI have a starting caliber goalie sitting behind their new young #1.

Something around Barrie for Varlamov is a hockey trade that could help both.

The Isles need an offensive LHD, not someone who is going to take minutes away from Dobson like Barrie would in that role. After trading away Toews and Leddy, it's pretty obvious the type of player the team is lacking. Robin Salo is very promising, but the team needs a legit top-4 LHD to slot between Pelech and Salo next season. An offensive type would be nice, but a sturdy all around type would probably be preferred.

Varlamov would be a good fit for Edmonton, but that trade looks very different. More like Koskinen (for cap and to be Sorokin's backup) plus draft pick.

 

[Edgelord]

Agree.. even a combo of Mayfield OR Manson and Ben Chariot, albeit on the bottom pairing, would be a huge win for Toronto

Personally I think Mayfield and Lehkonen are the 2 perfect additions

I still maintain the offer of Robertson, Holl and a 2nd, preferably 2023 for Mayfield.

You can slot Dobson in the top 4 and have Holl to backfill 3rd pairing at a marginal increase on cap.

Add a good young wing LW prospect to the pool and a 2nd round pick on top is decent currency.

I get the sense management is pretty fond of Holl and would rather move Dermott, who IMO is way more appealing to NYI

The Isles need an offensive LHD, not someone who is going to take minutes away from Dobson like Barrie would in that role. After trading away Toews and Leddy, it's pretty obvious the type of player the team is lacking. Robin Salo is very promising, but the team needs a legit top-4 LHD to slot between Pelech and Salo next season. An offensive type would be nice, but a sturdy all around type would probably be preferred.

Varlamov would be a good fit for Edmonton, but that trade looks very different. More like Koskinen (for cap and to be Sorokin's backup) plus draft pick.

What about a deal where Dermott+Robertson is the base+Ritche for Mayfield

 

[WTFMAN99]

Personally I think Mayfield and Lehkonen are the 2 perfect additions


I get the sense management is pretty fond of Holl and would rather move Dermott, who IMO is way more appealing to NYI


What about a deal where Dermott+Robertson is the base+Ritche for Mayfield

If NYI were wanting Dermott over Holl, that is okay too, gotta give to get.

 

[CupHolders]

If NYI were wanting Dermott over Holl, that is okay too, gotta give to get.

I would only want Dermott to partner with Mayfield on the bottom pair. But, honestly I can't see the Isles trading Mayfield a year before his very team friendly deal ends for anything less than a first round pick.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I would only want Dermott to partner with Mayfield on the bottom pair. But, honestly I can't see the Isles trading Mayfield a year before his very team friendly deal ends for anything less than a first round pick.

I'd value a 2nd and Robertson as more than a 1st round pick quite easily and Holl is probably somewhere around a 3rd or a 4th at worst.

 

[CupHolders]

I'd value a 2nd and Robertson as more than a 1st round pick quite easily and Holl is probably somewhere around a 3rd or a 4th at worst.

Fair enough. I don’t know enough about Robertson to be honest.

But as for moving Mayfield in general, I’m not sure what the Isles would do.

Isles management’s value of him may not align with HFBoards expected value. Trotz does lean on him heavily, especially for PK.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Not the topic of this thread, but this is a point where I see the EDM and NYI as decent trading partners. Edmonton has a spare OFD, and NYI have a starting caliber goalie sitting behind their new young #1.

Something around Barrie for Varlamov is a hockey trade that could help both.

Barrie for Varlamov? Yeah sure I’m sure Barrie will help this aging core with his turnovers.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Barrie for Varlamov? Yeah sure I’m sure Barrie will help this aging core with his turnovers.

He's a better player than Leddy and we did fine dealing with his miscues. Plus, Barrie wouldn't have to shoulder a heavy load here. I think we will be surprised if/when Varly is dealt. I don't expect much of a return and it's not because he's had a bunch of bad games (because he's had a lot of excellent ones), it's just the goalie market doesn't yield a ton of assets in trade unless you're Sakic and you're left at the altar.

 

[Bufbro]

Ryan Johnson + 2023 2nd (LV)

Or

2022 1st (LV) + Jacob Bryson

 

[miscs75]

Ryan Johnson + 2023 2nd (LV)

Or

2022 1st (LV) + Jacob Bryson

Isles pass. No need for an undersized LHD or another offensive defensive prospect that won’t help them in (atleast) 3 years with the way Lou brings them along. If he’s moved for a prospect, a forward would honestly be the ask.

 

[miscs75]

Not the topic of this thread, but this is a point where I see the EDM and NYI as decent trading partners. Edmonton has a spare OFD, and NYI have a starting caliber goalie sitting behind their new young #1.

Something around Barrie for Varlamov is a hockey trade that could help both.

What would be the offset for the difference in contract when it comes to this trade? Barrie could work but how horrendous is he defensively? I haven’t watched much of his play.

 

[TFHockey]

He's a better player than Leddy and we did fine dealing with his miscues. Plus, Barrie wouldn't have to shoulder a heavy load here. I think we will be surprised if/when Varly is dealt. I don't expect much of a return and it's not because he's had a bunch of bad games (because he's had a lot of excellent ones), it's just the goalie market doesn't yield a ton of assets in trade unless you're Sakic and you're left at the altar.

I'd move Barrie + Koskinen + a good pick for Varlamov.

Edit: I'd like the Oilers to acquire Mayfield as well.

 

[TFHockey]

What would be the offset for the difference in contract when it comes to this trade? Barrie could work but how horrendous is he defensively? I haven’t watched much of his play.

Barrie has worked hard on the defensive side of his game this year before he went on the IR. This has moved the needle from "brutal" to just "not great". He is a defensive liability, no other way to frame it.

He can, however, quarterback a 1st PP unit and is a great offensive puck moving RHD. I am sure most of the posters on here know he led all defensemen in points last season. He is only signed for two more years after this season, and at a reasonable $4.5 Million AAV. If you need help on the powerplay, Barrie is your man.

Koskinen's contract expires at the end of the year which is handy for a team looking to add players in the off season. Or, if you like him as a backup you can sign him for much, much cheaper.

 

[miscs75]

Barrie has worked hard on the defensive side of his game this year before he went on the IR. This has moved the needle from "brutal" to just "not great". He is a defensive liability, no other way to frame it.

He can, however, quarterback a 1st PP unit and is a great offensive puck moving RHD. I am sure most of the posters on here know he led all defensemen in points last season. He is only signed for two more years after this season, and at a reasonable $4.5 Million AAV. If you need help on the powerplay, Barrie is your man.

Koskinen's contract expires at the end of the year which is handy for a team looking to add players in the off season. Or, if you like him as a backup you can sign him for much, much cheaper.

Barrie AND Koskinen? Yeah, that add on isn’t going to work. A forward prospect would work, not a $5m distaster of a 5th string. You guys can keep the road come who can’t stop a puck and the defensive liability. Barrie essentially would take away from Pulock and Dobson on the PP. Realistically, it would work if he shot left to pair with Mayfield and have Salo work with Dobson as a mobile combo.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Fair enough. I don’t know enough about Robertson to be honest.

But as for moving Mayfield in general, I’m not sure what the Isles would do.

Isles management’s value of him may not align with HFBoards expected value. Trotz does lean on him heavily, especially for PK.

I just view it as a surplus at RD and a need at LD and scoring wingers...Mayfield won't be 1.45M for much longer and Dobson is going to command a larger role soon too.

None of us on HFBoards know what happens behind the scenes though in offices etc.

I thought Mrazek would be traded for basically nothing or the Leafs would need to include a small sweetener but apparently Leafs are getting calls on him and maybe they actually get some (minimal) value for him now.

 

[TFHockey]

Barrie AND Koskinen? Yeah, that add on isn’t going to work. A forward prospect would work, not a $5m distaster of a 5th string. You guys can keep the road come who can’t stop a puck and the defensive liability. Barrie essentially would take away from Pulock and Dobson on the PP. Realistically, it would work if he shot left to pair with Mayfield and have Salo work with Dobson as a mobile combo.

I don't know quite what you mean by this. Are you saying Koskinen is a 5th string goaltender and is going to cost a team $5 Million in cap space?

Since we are about half way through the season Koskinen's cap hit is pro rated to about 50% or $2.24 Million until the end of the year. He is a capable back up, just don't use him as a starter like the Oilers have been forced to. To me, the value in a Koskinen - Varlamov swap is the cap flexibility the Islanders would get moving forward. If Barrie isn't a fit that is cool. Some teams need help on the powerplay, some don't.

I kind of thought the NYI would want help there since their PP is currently sitting at 17.17% and in the bottom third of the league. However if you feel moving forward Pulock and Dobson are better fits on the powerplay I won't argue with you.

 

[miscs75]

I don't know quite what you mean by this. Are you saying Koskinen is a 5th string goaltender and is going to cost a team $5 Million in cap space?

Since we are about half way through the season Koskinen's cap hit is pro rated to about 50% or $2.24 Million until the end of the year. He is a capable back up, just don't use him as a starter like the Oilers have been forced to. To me, the value in a Koskinen - Varlamov swap is the cap flexibility the Islanders would get moving forward. If Barrie isn't a fit that is cool. Some teams need help on the powerplay, some don't.

I kind of thought the NYI would want help there since their PP is currently sitting at 17.17% and in the bottom third of the league. However if you feel moving forward Pulock and Dobson are better fits on the powerplay I won't argue with you.

Koskinen has no value even at his cap hit. I’m basically stating (again) that he’s among the bottom tier of backup goaltenders in the league and the Islanders don’t have a use for him. Tossing him in is basically a plus for Edmonton by getting rid of the cap hit while dumping the problems on another team (even if it’s for the remainder of this season only).
It’s more so the fact that Barrie is defensively abysmal and him being brought in as a PP specialist, isn’t worth it going forward. On a one year deal, that would be worth it for a playoff team as a bottom pairing guy during the post season but not for multiple season to watch him get exposed continuously.

 

[Seph]

I kind of thought the NYI would want help there since their PP is currently sitting at 17.17% and in the bottom third of the league. However if you feel moving forward Pulock and Dobson are better fits on the powerplay I won't argue with you.

It's not that they're necessarily better fits on the PP, but more that the potential upgrade to the PP isn't worth the rest of what the trade brings to the table in terms of 5v5 play and it downgrading the team in net.

The last thing the Islanders should be moving assets for right now is a righty defenseman, as they already have Pulock, Dobson, Mayfield and Chara. There are much bigger holes to plug at the moment.

 

[miscs75]

It's not that they're necessarily better fits on the PP, but more that the potential upgrade to the PP isn't worth the rest of what the trade brings to the table in terms of 5v5 play and it downgrading the team in net.

The last thing the Islanders should be moving assets for right now is a righty defenseman, as they already have Pulock, Dobson, Mayfield and Chara. There are much bigger holes to plug at the moment.

Chara is a Lefty but they sometimes wind up putting him on the off side. He’s barely chugging along and will probably get most of the remainder of the season in the press box once he gets his record.

 

[firstemperor]

I'm not sold on Mayfield but I would offer one Liljegren for him as a base. I value Liljegren more than either our 1st or Dermott, so one of the three would also work. Not sure if Islanders would take that. This is more because he fits our competitive windows and fits a team need.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

I kind of thought the NYI would want help there since their PP is currently sitting at 17.17% and in the bottom third of the league. However if you feel moving forward Pulock and Dobson are better fits on the powerplay I won't argue with you.

It's that good? LOL. Both Pulock and Dobson are inadequate on the PP IMO. Pulock rarely hits the net and Dobson's too hesitant. Dobber should grow into it but Pulock's going on a couple years now of getting one out of every billion shots on net.

Salo has looked better than both in a limited sample size. Once he gets more than 20 games in the show he should be pretty good. Adept passer, smart player with a good wrist shot.

 

[miscs75]

It's that good? LOL. Both Pulock and Dobson are inadequate on the PP IMO. Pulock rarely hits the net and Dobson's too hesitant. Dobber should grow into it but Pulock's going on a couple years now of getting one out of every billion shots on net.

Salo has looked better than both in a limited sample size. Once he gets more than 20 games in the show he should be pretty good. Adept passer, smart player with a good wrist shot.

Dobson atleast carries the puck instead of waiting for Barzal so he can drop the puck to him. He’s young but I have a feeling he’ll turn into a quality PP defenseman. Pulock however is basically like Wahlstrom on the PP, the Fulton Reed. Just give him the puck and let him rip. Having another offensive defenseman won’t hurt but not with a guy who will pull a Leddy and be on the wrong side of the ice for 75% of his defensive zone play.