OT: Sci-Fi and Fantasy Thread - SPOILERS Part Three

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Stormtroopers really can't shoot for shit. Literally missing from like 5 feet away lol

That was some cringe-worthy action direction. Took me right out of that scene. Also the special effects on the small ships looked like they were from Firefly which came out like 15+ years ago.
 
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That was some cringe-worthy action direction. Took me right out of that scene. Also the special effects on the small ships looked like they were from Firefly which came out like 15+ years ago.

It is a total atrocity. Atoadaso. I don't know who taught these f***ers how to do characterization, but it is f***ed. There is "precocious," and then there is whatever alien shit they have this poor kid doing. F*** off.
 

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And some things can't be remembered. I just watched episode 4 of Kenobi a day or two ago, and I could hardly tell you what was going on during any of it. Indira Varma bluffed her way past a security guard in a conversation that basically want "You don't have clearance to go in there" "f*** you, I'm going anyway" "lol, okay, go ahead" and the Inquisition lady turned the ladybug droid into a tracking device, in a totally not at all obvious reference to A New Hope.

The rest has already slipped from my brain. It's so bland. It's like eating plain pasta with a side of white bread. It's not even shitty enough to be entertaining.
 

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And some things can't be remembered. I just watched episode 4 of Kenobi a day or two ago, and I could hardly tell you what was going on during any of it. Indira Varma bluffed her way past a security guard in a conversation that basically want "You don't have clearance to go in there" "f*** you, I'm going anyway" "lol, okay, go ahead" and the Inquisition lady turned the ladybug droid into a tracking device, in a totally not at all obvious reference to A New Hope.

The rest has already slipped from my brain. It's so bland. It's like eating plain pasta with a side of white bread. It's not even shitty enough to be entertaining.

Yeah that was the worst episode by far.

Nothing about this show is working really except for the brief glimpses of Vader and some adequate acting by Ewan and little Leia. Plot and writing and pretty much everything else is trash. The Book of Boba Fett was far better and I know a lot of people here didn't like that.
 

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And some things can't be remembered. I just watched episode 4 of Kenobi a day or two ago, and I could hardly tell you what was going on during any of it. Indira Varma bluffed her way past a security guard in a conversation that basically want "You don't have clearance to go in there" "f*** you, I'm going anyway" "lol, okay, go ahead" and the Inquisition lady turned the ladybug droid into a tracking device, in a totally not at all obvious reference to A New Hope.

The rest has already slipped from my brain. It's so bland. It's like eating plain pasta with a side of white bread. It's not even shitty enough to be entertaining.
Remember that time she took down another officer in a room where other people were and nobody noticed? Or that time that they put a little kid in a trenchcoat where you could obviously see four feet walking? Or remember that time Vader was pissed off because Reva "failed" and let Kenobi get away after Vader let Kenobi leave just the episode before because fire was in the way but hey, only Kenobi matters now, amirite?

I 'memba.
 

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while still the inferior show...episode 5 was a step up and much better..i mean it isnt hard to get better than what we got

Vader did Vader things
 

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while still the inferior show...episode 5 was a step up and much better..i mean it isnt hard to get better than what we got

Vader did Vader things
I'd love to see a Vader series of Vader doing Vader things. Give me a full eight hours or whatever of the hallway scene from Rogue One. It would also be nice to see this scene in a live action series.


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Oh, @Appleyard, I finally got around to reading more Discworld! I just finished Guards! Guards! the other day. It was excellent, as per usual for Pratchett. His ability to take a familiar story/trope (the gallant hero saves the maiden from the dragon) and turn it on it's head is absolutely unmatched. His wordplay is delightful, too. The exchange between Carrot and his father where he said they assumed that Carrot would grow out of growing had me in stitches, as did the "throw the book at him" near the end.
 
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Oh, @Appleyard, I finally got around to reading more Discworld! I just finished Guards! Guards! the other day. It was excellent, as per usual for Pratchett. His ability to take a familiar story/trope (the gallant hero saves the maiden from the dragon) and turn it on it's head is absolutely unmatched. His wordplay is delightful, too. The exchange between Carrot and his father where he said they assumed that Carrot would grow out of growing had me in stitches, as did the "throw the book at him" near the end.

Yeh, some hilarious stuff as well as fantastic stories.
 
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Isn't Vader being on the same planet and in the same area as Leia a problem? Vader doesn't find out about her until Ep. 6 in the throne room with Luke.

Also why do some of the spoiler tags look different?
 

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This entire series is either ignoring the OT or retconning a lot in not so smart ways
 

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Remember that time she took down another officer in a room where other people were and nobody noticed? Or that time that they put a little kid in a trenchcoat where you could obviously see four feet walking? Or remember that time Vader was pissed off because Reva "failed" and let Kenobi get away after Vader let Kenobi leave just the episode before because fire was in the way but hey, only Kenobi matters now, amirite?

I 'memba.

lol I like the idea that the work environment in the Empire (thanks to Vader) is so hostile that you can choke someone to death and everyone else is like "ah yes a day at work"
 

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Isn't Vader being on the same planet and in the same area as Leia a problem? Vader doesn't find out about her until Ep. 6 in the throne room with Luke.

Also why do some of the spoiler tags look different?
I mean Vader took Leia hostage and didn’t know so don’t think there’s any issues.

Hell, he doesn’t even know about Luke for a while still. Boba Fett is the one that says the Skywalker name to him and he puts two and two together. Palpatine also knew but didn’t tell him. I think all of that is still canon.

One is Spoiler and one is Ispoiler
 

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Saw Episode 5. They have committed sins I strongly dislike, and that occasionally plague SW stuff under Disney.

A couple episodes ago, Obi-Wan sees Quinlan Vos' name carved in the safehouse wall. Quinlan Vos is a character chiefly fleshed out in the comics, and is Obi-Wan's oldest friend. At first it seemed like a toss-in Easter Egg, with fantastic acting from Ewan who shows a mix of relief, affection, and nostalgia upon seeing the name; a very cool moment for people who'd catch it. With Ep 5 though, it's clear that wasn't just an Easter Egg. It's foreshadowing. Reva's arc mirrors Quinlan's, and does so closely enough that I'm concerned she's gonna become a take on a Quinlan-like character, when a dude like that could easily warrant his own pretty f***ing awesome show. I have thoughts about what this means for her character and the chance that her not fitting as a villain making more sense and being deliberate rather than bad acting (doubt), but mostly I'm annoyed that they'd handle a reference that important and vital to understanding what they're doing with a character like that. Maybe what, 2% at most of people have read the Quinlan comics where that reference and the comparison to Reva are possible? Good for the writers doing their reading and flexing their knowledge, but once again Star Wars forgets to be accessible for the vast majority of viewers, and leaves people rightly more baffled than they need be.

In comics and other media going back ages, it's made very clear that that the Sith and darksiders feed on fear, anger, and hate. So they often string things out and play with victims to max out those feelings for their own benefit. Palpatine rejoices on some level at the Rebellion because the conflict and its feelings feed him; the Death Star and the fear it is meant to evoke will replace that. Thus why a darksider like Reva would use the artillery to slowly pound at the door instead of cutting in immediately, as it's shown she can do. Here's the thing though, despite this being a canon thing, Lucas and everyone since just takes for granted that people know this and it's never really explicitly explained in the main movies and big shows. It's never properly communicated, and so it makes for situations that come off as nonsensical and pointless. It's a major motivator that is kept in the dark unless you look for it. This is bad writing, and it's an error the franchise makes repeatedly. The people making things fail to realize viewers don't have the same knowledge as they do, and don't pass it on. Anyone who complains about the seeming plot holes created is justified in doing so. You shouldn't have to do research to understand what you're seeing.

Similarly, Vader has maximum scorn for Inquisitors. He holds them in hilariously low esteem. They're knockoff toys he doesn't want, but Papa Palpy makes him play with and use so he can focus on bigger tasks. The notion that Vader wouldn't deem Reva as being even worth killing, as being beneath trash to be cast off, is something he'd have drilled into them and would have been affirming; it's another kind of torment in a long string of tormenting those people. Hell, the Grand Inquisitor wants to kill him and take his job and Vader doesn't remotely give a shit because he doesn't recognize any of them as being remotely a threat; he is more worried about Jedi than them, and loves letting them know. This is known and easily inferred if you've read that shit. If you haven't though, Vader leaving her alive makes zero sense and isn't justifiable.

Someone needs to sit down with SW writers and remind them that if something isn't explicitly stated in any of the movies, it should be assumed nobody knows them.
 
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Saw Episode 5. They have committed sins I strongly dislike, and that occasionally plague SW stuff under Disney.

A couple episodes ago, Obi-Wan sees Quinlan Vos' name carved in the safehouse wall. Quinlan Vos is a character chiefly fleshed out in the comics, and is Obi-Wan's oldest friend. At first it seemed like a toss-in Easter Egg, with fantastic acting from Ewan who shows a mix of relief, affection, and nostalgia upon seeing the name; a very cool moment for people who'd catch it. With Ep 5 though, it's clear that wasn't just an Easter Egg. It's foreshadowing. Reva's arc mirrors Quinlan's, and does so closely enough that I'm concerned she's gonna become a take on a Quinlan-like character, when a dude like that could easily warrant his own pretty f***ing awesome show. I have thoughts about what this means for her character and the chance that her not fitting as a villain making more sense and being deliberate rather than bad acting (doubt), but mostly I'm annoyed that they'd handle a reference that important and vital to understanding what they're doing with a character like that. Maybe what, 2% at most of people have read the Quinlan comics where that reference and the comparison to Reva are possible? Good for the writers doing their reading and flexing their knowledge, but once again Star Wars forgets to be accessible for the vast majority of viewers, and leaves people rightly more baffled than they need be.

In comics and other media going back ages, it's made very clear that that the Sith and darksiders feed on fear, anger, and hate. So they often string things out and play with victims to max out those feelings for their own benefit. Palpatine rejoices on some level at the Rebellion because the conflict and its feelings feed him; the Death Star and the fear it is meant to evoke will replace that. Thus why a darksider like Reva would use the artillery to slowly pound at the door instead of cutting in immediately, as it's shown she can do. Here's the thing though, despite this being a canon thing, Lucas and everyone since just takes for granted that people know this and it's never really explicitly explained in the main movies and big shows. It's never properly communicated, and so it makes for situations that come off as nonsensical and pointless. It's a major motivator that is kept in the dark unless you look for it. This is bad writing, and it's an error the franchise makes repeatedly. The people making things fail to realize viewers don't have the same knowledge as they do, and don't pass it on. Anyone who complains about the seeming plot holes created is justified in doing so. You shouldn't have to do research to understand what you're seeing.

Similarly, Vader has maximum scorn for Inquisitors. He holds them in hilariously low esteem. They're knockoff toys he doesn't want, but Papa Palpy makes him play with and use so he can focus on bigger tasks. The notion that Vader wouldn't deem Reva as being even worth killing, as being beneath trash to be cast off, is something he'd have drilled into them and would have been affirming; it's another kind of torment in a long string of tormenting those people. Hell, the Grand Inquisitor wants to kill him and take his job and Vader doesn't remotely give a shit because he doesn't recognize any of them as being remotely a threat; he is more worried about Jedi than them, and loves letting them know. This is known and easily inferred if you've read that shit. If you haven't though, Vader leaving her alive makes zero sense and isn't justifiable.

Someone needs to sit down with SW writers and remind them that if something isn't explicitly stated in any of the movies, it should be assumed nobody knows them.

Some of you people take this stuff WAAYYY too seriously.
 

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If you guys want sins against nature--watch the latest Star Trek: Strange New worlds, has come good parts but some of it just cheesey
What parts? Because imo..they have all been amazing shows ..way above my expectations. They are night and day compared to other nutrek shows save Lower Decks


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I think that is a huge mistake they are making with SW..it's like they expect you to have a wider knowledge of their world beyond the movies
 

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