Post-Game Talk: "Scheifele wins the draw, Ladd shoots it high!" And other ref stories. Jets fall 4-3.

[Aavco Cup]

Just wanna point out, since it seems lost on some people. Just because Pavelec only faced 25 shots doesn't mean he lost us the game. Not all shots are of the same quality.

I thought we had more scoring chances. Tonight our goaltending was less than we needed. # 55 almost bailed him out

 

[Bristo]

I think you were too busy puck watching like him and the rest of our defense on 3 of those goals.

He was all over the place for shots that didn't go in too. My criticism is not based on just the shots that went in.

Defense was bad too. Was not a good game. That doesn't excuse how far out of position Pavs was in a lot of cases.

Look, I'm not talking about his positioning. I'm talking about him committing so hard to a maneuver that he can't catch himself to correct. There was the one tic-tac-toe goal that was completely on the D, but other than that every goal was bad.

 

[Jet]

As if Montoya is any better...

Right. I guess you don't look at facts or evidence. He's obviously much better.

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

Stuart stood out pretty big when he bailed Trouba out for that 3on2.

and?

I'm not sure there's a point here other than "a #7 Dman made a good play"

Ellerby and Pardy made some good plays too

 

[Duke749]

I think the D did enough to give us a chance to win. When you limit the other team to 25 shots, and you're goaltender allows 3 weak goals that should never go in I don't mention the D. Not a chance.

I'm sorry you think that... The defense can and should be better. So should the goaltending. You claim that people are trying to absolve Pavs from a game like this by pointing out that the D was bad, yet when people say that, they are simply covering the other half that some won't mention, like you. Is it not ironic that you also say that yet NEVER talk about anything other then our goaltending? Who's trying to absolve blame here?

Yes, everyone acknowledges Pavs was bad tonight, no one will refute that. But why should I mention it when there are plenty of others that will anyways? All people like me are doing to trying to open up others' eyes when they are stuck on one thing.

 

[Klinger]

Not long ago, I saw a video of Pavs and Flaherty sitting on the bench talking strategy. The first thing I noticed about Pavs was the complete lack of definiton in his arms. He just does not look like an athlete to me. I know you an look a little "soft" and still be a good goaltender (see Brodeur, Martin) but Pavs does not have the level of natural talent to overcome his lack of fitness. You have access to elite level trainers and equipment, use them.

 

[Romang67]

I though we had more scoring chances. Tonight our goaltending was less than we needed. # 55 almost bailed him out

Yeah, I don't think he was good today. At all. I just think that pointing out that we only had 25 shots against is a piss poor argument, since it tells you nothing about what the game actually looks like. However much quality of shots gets evened out over 3000 shots or whatever, it can make a huge difference in a single game.

 

[garret9]

Last time Kane was out, Thorburn looked good for the first two games on the second line and then reminded us that he's a fourth liner. I feel like that will happen again very quickly.

Back to .500.

Yup.

 

[Andy6]

Not long ago, I saw a video of Pavs and Flaherty sitting on the bench talking strategy. The first thing I noticed about Pavs was the complete lack of definiton in his arms. He just does not look like an athlete to me. I know you an look a little "soft" and still be a good goaltender (see Brodeur, Martin) but Pavs does not have the level of natural talent to overcome his lack of fitness. You have access to elite level trainers and equipment, use them.

His athleticism is his strength, I would have thought. His judgment and ability to control the puck seem to be the issues.

 

[Sweech]

Just wanted to reiterate this little stat tidbit, since I edited into my old post on the last page.

Montoya actually has more games played where he let's in 1 goal or less (6) compared to Pavelec (5).

While having waaaay less starts.

At this point I don't even care about sample size. Pavelec needs more games to catch up to Montoya outplaying him.

 

[Jetsfan4life]

Not long ago, I saw a video of Pavs and Flaherty sitting on the bench talking strategy. The first thing I noticed about Pavs was the complete lack of definiton in his arms. He just does not look like an athlete to me. I know you an look a little "soft" and still be a good goaltender (see Brodeur, Martin) but Pavs does not have the level of natural talent to overcome his lack of fitness. You have access to elite level trainers and equipment, use them.

So true Pavelec looks like he could possibly be the laundry guy.He has no emotion in his face.He would make a good ahl goalie.He is def not Nhl material.

 

[garret9]

Yeah, I don't think he was good today. At all. I just think that pointing out that we only had 25 shots against is a piss poor argument, since it tells you nothing about what the game actually looks like. However much quality of shots gets evened out over 3000 shots or whatever, it can make a huge difference in a single game.

You have a point in theory... but this game is a poor example of it.

Overall yes, the fact that shots (or more accurately shot attempts) mirror scoring chance differences -due to shot quality variation being very small- is not overly strong in single games.

 

[Positive]

Team got outworked seriously in the 2nd period. Anyways, to be a little easier on Ladd, after watching the final seconds from a different angle, the missed shot doesn't look quite as bad (actually looked like it was wide rather than high).

First pic is the shot just as it leaves his stick; he needs to put it between three defenders. Looks like he needs it to be just a couple inches closer to 57's right calf in order to squeeze it inside the post. Height seems ok from that angle. (excuse the quality, they're just snapshots of my TV)

 

[CorgisPer60]

On the plus side, the Jets have a couple of days between games. More than enough time for a practice.

 

[Duke749]

Right. I guess you don't look at facts or evidence. He's obviously much better.

His career SV% suggests he's nothing more then a backup, like Pavelec, right? I mean, that's what's always been brought up. Now, an extremely small sample size is supposed to be huge evidence? Come on now people. Montoya, until he proves otherwise, is no more then Pavs.

Anyways, can we all just focus on something that can hopefully actually be fixed going forward this season? Like you know, our defensive coverage? Or are we just going to absolve our defense again...?

 

[lighthouses]

Explain Pavelec's contract to me, who was allegedly asleep at the desk when that was signed?

 

[ICdave]

Audio: Scheifele, Thorburn, Wheeler & Bogosian.

To listen click here.

 

[Romang67]

You have a point in theory... but this game is a poor example of it.

Overall yes, the fact that shots (or more accurately shot attempts) mirror scoring chance differences -due to shot quality variation being very small- is not overly strong in single games.

Yeah, I'm not talking about this game in particular. I just saw a lot of talk about the defense limiting them to 25 shots, as if the shot count in a single game was what decided whether the D/Goalie was good.

 

[garret9]

His career SV% suggests he's nothing more then a backup, like Pavelec, right? I mean, that's what's always been brought up. Now, an extremely small sample size is supposed to be huge evidence? Come on now people. Montoya, until he proves otherwise, is no more then Pavs.

Anyways, can we all just focus on something that can hopefully actually be fixed going forward this season? Like you know, our defensive coverage? Or are we just going to absolve our defense again...?

I'd like to go in the middle:

Small sample / short term stats show Montoya has earned larger share of the workload.

Large sample / long term stats show Jets fans should not expect "Raskian" results.

 

[roccerfeller]

Okay whatever. I'm over it now.

Lets just spank the Canucks on Friday. I know more Canucks fans in Calgary than I know Flames fans.

Just beat the Canucks pls

 

[PaperRockChamp]

On the plus side, the Jets have a couple of days between games. More than enough time for a practice.

Maurice said this morning that they can practice tomorrow but not the 30th. Just sharing a tidbit.

 

[White Out 403*]

His career SV% suggests he's nothing more then a backup, like Pavelec, right? I mean, that's what's always been brought up. Now, an extremely small sample size is supposed to be huge evidence? Come on now people. Montoya, until he proves otherwise, is no more then Pavs.

Anyways, can we all just focus on something that can hopefully actually be fixed going forward this season? Like you know, our defensive coverage? Or are we just going to absolve our defense again...?

Maybe I can put it to you this way. Our defence this game was a C-. Our goaltending was a F. A solid F. Holding them both up as reasons we lost is a false equivalency.

If our goaltending was even a D we likely win. If our Defence played at an A level we still lose with the goaltending we got.

 

[Jetsfan4life]

Explain Pavelec's contract to me, who was allegedly asleep at the desk when that was signed?

Everyone except Pavelec.

 

[Savagestevo]

His career SV% suggests he's nothing more then a backup, like Pavelec, right? I mean, that's what's always been brought up. Now, an extremely small sample size is supposed to be huge evidence? Come on now people. Montoya, until he proves otherwise, is no more then Pavs.

Anyways, can we all just focus on something that can hopefully actually be fixed going forward this season? Like you know, our defensive coverage? Or are we just going to absolve our defense again...?

Should that not imply they should play a more equal amount of starts, then? The Jets should have a platoon system but it's because they have two backup goaltenders and not two capable starters.

 

[lighthouses]

Same old song and dance. Back to 0.500

We have lost much more than we have won.