The Hanging Jowl
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BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
Gross is an idiot to think there wouldn't be opportunities.
Muzzin will miss time. He really needs just load management in the regular season so he can be 100% for the playoffs.
Da Cool Rula
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Just saving face and possibly his job. I mean avoid losing his client.
Mess
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If you use LTIR the player must miss 10 games or 24 days.
Liljegren and Engvall missing 3 weeks might be early season candidates to begin the year on LTIR.
Mess
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So in the future Dubas owns him finally? No more "long negotiations".
Oh I know... hence f***ing off from this team. No offence to you... just done with the hardball shit from gross.
The Masters
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lol
most recently that train wreck of a goalie we signed last year. You may not get a 'source" but ask yourself who requested the NTC. He also caved in for Marner's deal.
SeaOfBlue
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We have two references of one party holding firm and the other caving, and both times Dubas held firm.
Not saying he always does, just there is no proof he hasn't, from what I have seen at least.
The Masters
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Source what. Read the situations. I just told you he got maneuvered into giving Mrazek a NTC last season. If you understand how negotiations work, you would understand Dubas caved. The Marner deal is another easy situation to understand. He overpaid Marner because he didnt want to go through another Nylander situation.
Honestly Gio has looked like our best defenseman so far at 39 years of age. He’s in phenomenal shape. He should be the #1 D on the PP. but I get it Rielly makes 7 mill he’s gotta have that spot, but Gio’s shot from the point would make the PP really good
Exactly. Muzzin and Gio alternate weeks and Sandin gets his ice time. Everybody is happy
I was referencing Marner from his post, you don't need more details then the result.
With Nylander when a star player sits half the season both sides get dirty, such is the life of being at the top. But you're probably right Dubie didn't cave, so there's that for what it's worth.
And he didn't cave with Sandin. That was great work. He's on an upswing.
So you are guessing, got it.
Maybe he agrees that is Marner's worth, or maybe he caved, we don't know.
The Masters
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nope, you're just clueless even after I walked you through it lol
We're usually guessing to some degree, that's sports talk.
What's rare is after the Murray negotiations Dubie himself said he wanted more but they said no.
The Masters
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It's simple you just gotta break down the situations. For Mrazek, Dubas clearly caved into giving him a NTC and likely price too but lets just stick with the NTC. In what world, would anyone give Mrazek a NTC limited or not? No one. Dubas did because he was desperate for a backup and caved.
I'm sure there are complexities we're not aware of. I have more contention with the price to be honest, NTC's are not uncommon for older players - it's circumstantial.
Also depends how broad of a definition we are using for caving. We find ourselves backed into a corner far too often forsure and we pay for it.
SeaOfBlue
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Rielly is on the top PP unit because he is the better PP option. It has nothing to do with the amount of money he makes.
People really overrate the factor of a shot on the PP, short of it being someone like Makar or Josi, and the Leafs would need to change their system to actually use their defenseman more actively as a shooter on the PP if we want anyone to be a factor.
Rielly has as many PP goals over the past 3 years as Hughes and Fox. And he played 20+ fewer games than them too. Giordano has had 6. Those 3 extra goals over 3 years are not putting the PP over the top.
If we really want our defense to get more involved, maybe allowing to shoot at a time beyond near the end of their shift would be helpful. Even last game against the Habs, there were more than a couple of times when both Rielly and Gio could have let a solid wrister off for at least a tip by one of the two guys in front of the net but instead passed it off to a winger and the PP was kept to the perimeter for the most part the entire time.
Beyond that, he is 39 years old. If we get to where we want to go, and he plays a full schedule, he would have to play triple digit games this year. I would rather he sit some games and be able to sustain his high level of play in 20 minutes a game than to run out of steam at the end of the year when it really matters... And that will almost certainly happen as it does with everyone else. Maybe we won't have that luxury, but if we do, we certainly should be giving him as much rest as we possibly can.
SeaOfBlue
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I don't know why we are comparing a UFA, who could have chosen to go to another team and likely would have received a similar or better offer to do so, to our RFA's. Mrazek had a market, and he received a contract that was reflective of his value on said market. These days, guys like Mrazek make that kind of money. One bad year where he couldn't stay healthy doesn't change that.
Dubas certainly didn't cave to either of Gross' clients. They are the ones who called him to get a deal done... And it seems like in both cases, it was a deal they could have signed much earlier.
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Here are Marner's stats from the last 3 years since he began his deal...
2019-2020 - Finished 18 Overall Points (17TH PPG)
2020-2021 - Finished 4 Overall Points (8th PPG)
2021-2022 - Finished 10 Overall Points (8th PPG)
He's just turned 25 and has 3 more prime years on his deal where he will most likley be top 10, possibly top 5 scorer, in the league while helping setup Matthews and being one of our most important contributors on the PK. We're talking a perennial offensive all-star (also NHL first team all star) who will be consistently putting up 30-40 goal/100 point seasons.
If you think 10.9M is an overpay at the time when all indications were the cap was going up then it couldn't have been by vey much given his performance so far. Maybe 1M at most and even then it only would have impacted us because of the flat cap period due to covid.
Given the number he signed for, I really think my original theory was correct. Sandin is looking for an opportunity to showcase himself rather than money. The injuries to the dline opens it up for him.
Anywho, I'm still high on him as a player and wanna see how he does in a full season.
Anywho, I'm still high on him as a player and wanna see how he does in a full season.
