Sam Rosen was right (Historical impact of Rangers' roster moves)

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

NHL14. That's where.

LOL, yea because placing a premium in the future is an NHL14 move as opposed to cobbling assets together for aging stars.

 

[Thirty One]

I guess 10+ year vets are the only players that can be disgruntled.

OK, you name the list of premier players under 26 that have been traded and I'll this those above 26.

 

[aufheben]

Seguin most recently. Kessel. Van Riemsdyk. Jordan Staal. Not sure if Hodgson would count. Guys like Varlamov/Bobrovsky/Bishop who excelled after being traded. Jeff Carter was like 27 I think. Turris? Kovalchuk? James Neal. Shattenkirk / E. Johnson. Bobby Ryan.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

OK, you name the list of premier players under 26 that have been traded and I'll this those above 26.

Im too lazy. Seguin and Kessel come to mind, immediately.

Anyway, Im open to all options and looking for a commitment from the Rangers. Can you try to explain to me the strategy here besides the vague "trying to make the team better." Or better yet, how that goes beyond waiting for these post-26 year old players to fall out of favor with their current teams?

 

[McRanger]

Seguin most recently.

I wonder if they would have traded him in conference. I was surprised when Kessel got traded to a rival.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Im too lazy. Seguin and Kessel come to mind, immediately.

Anyway, Im open to all options and looking for a commitment from the Rangers. Can you try to explain to me the strategy here besides the vague "trying to make the team better." Or better yet, how that goes beyond waiting for these post-26 year old players to fall out of favor with their current teams?

Jeff Carter, Bobby Ryan, JVR, Neal

We can argue the definition of premier but these are some pieces I'd like to have.

 

[Thirty One]

Im too lazy. Seguin and Kessel come to mind, immediately.

Anyway, Im open to all options and looking for a commitment from the Rangers. Can you try to explain to me the strategy here besides the vague "trying to make the team better." Or better yet, how that goes beyond waiting for these post-26 year old players to fall out of favor with their current teams?

I don't understand why trying to make the team better isn't sufficient, but:
-Improving the PP
-Improving the 2nd line
-Improving 5-on-5 puck possession
-Improving team shooting percentage

"Acquiring elite talent when it forces its way on to your team" should be on the Mission Statement of every team. I don't get your beef here.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I really do feel like Yakupov is leaving eventually. Lots of talent, lots of potential, lots of trade value but he doesn't do enough to help that team win. Him or Eberle, they have to make that move.

St. Louis, Nash, Zuccarello, Yakupov: Winning The Right Way

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I really do feel like Yakupov is leaving eventually. Lots of talent, lots of potential, lots of trade value but he doesn't do enough to help that team win. Him or Eberle, they have to make that move.

St. Louis, Nash, Zuccarello, Yakupov: Winning The Right Way

I see what you did there...

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

I really do feel like Yakupov is leaving eventually. Lots of talent, lots of potential, lots of trade value but he doesn't do enough to help that team win. Him or Eberle, they have to make that move.

St. Louis, Nash, Zuccarello, Yakupov: Winning The Right Way

I can only imagine what Yak will cost, especially if the Oilers feel the same way that their fans do

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't understand why trying to make the team better isn't sufficient, but:
-Improving the PP
-Improving the 2nd line
-Improving 5-on-5 puck possession
-Improving team shooting percentage

"Acquiring elite talent when it forces its way on to your team" should be on the Mission Statement of every team. I don't get your beef here.

I have much beef.

If I could consolidate it into one thought it'd be "OK, we gave up 7 assets to get the best RW depth in the league. Now what?"

 

[True Blue]

Seguin most recently. Kessel. Van Riemsdyk. Jordan Staal. Not sure if Hodgson would count. Guys like Varlamov/Bobrovsky/Bishop who excelled after being traded. Jeff Carter was like 27 I think. Turris? Kovalchuk? James Neal. Shattenkirk / E. Johnson. Bobby Ryan.

How old was Thorton at the time of the trade? Dion Phaneuf is another one I believe.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I can only imagine what Yak will cost, especially if the Oilers feel the same way that their fans do

In my opinion, he's the least talented 1st overall pick in years.

 

[Thirty One]

I have much beef.

If I could consolidate it into one thought it'd be "OK, we gave up 7 assets to get the best RW depth in the league. Now what?"

Now they play a bunch of hockey games hoping to make the playoffs and make some noise in them.

 

[aufheben]

How old was Thorton at the time of the trade? Dion Phaneuf is another one I believe.

Yeah, but the thing is you may have to wait for players like that to become available, and we're the Rangers. If not 26, he was more or less that age. San Jose seized the opportunity, and they had their #1C for the next decade.

 

[haveandare]

I have much beef.

If I could consolidate it into one thought it'd be "OK, we gave up 7 assets to get the best RW depth in the league. Now what?"

Now it's been one game since then, let's see what happens.

 

[Thirty One]

Thornton turned 26 in the season he was traded. I would hope the Rangers would have been in on him, but apparently Boston didn't let anyone know he was available (great way to create a market).

Though I couldn't imagine what the Rangers would give up for Thornton. That team was Jagr and.... (in terms of marketable NHL assets).

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah, but the thing is you may have to wait for players like that to become available, and we're the Rangers. If not 26, he was more or less that age. San Jose seized the opportunity, and they had their #1C for the next decade.

Yeah, I pretty much this. I can't imagine what the Rangers would look like now and in the time since if they signed Chara and traded for Thornton (though, again, I can't imagine what that trade would have looked like).

 

[haveandare]

The thing about those young assets that do move now and then is that most of them are moves that are broadcast because those young players are stuck in a spot where they can't get the minutes that they deserve and that their team wants from them. Seguin, Kessel, Staal - all on teams that had unsustainable depth at their positions.

Who is in a similar situation now?

I'd guess that Colorado is going to have to move a forward asset at some point, either a current roster player, or one who forces themselves into the NHL, and maybe St. Louis and Tampa too. Hard to say with defense.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The thing about those young assets that do move now and then is that most of them are moves that are broadcast because those young players are stuck in a spot where they can't get the minutes that they deserve and that their team wants from them. Seguin, Kessel, Staal - all on teams that had unsustainable depth at their positions.

Who is in a similar situation now?

I'd guess that Colorado is going to have to move a forward asset at some point, either a current roster player, or one who forces themselves into the NHL, and maybe St. Louis and Tampa too. Hard to say with defense.

I'd be more interested in being the team where a Staal, a Seguin or a Kessel could be expendable.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

I'd be more interested in being the team where a Staal, a Seguin or a Kessel could be expendable.

So would I but we don't all live in fantasy land. The reality of the situation makes what you want almost as likely to happen as me making billions of dollars breeding unicorns. You know this, I know you know this, but you for whatever reason would rather discuss hypothetical scenarios that no one in their right mind actually believe would happen than what is most likely to happen.

Given the Rangers track record over the last 20 years none of this is shocking. It's actually improved recently, we didn't trade these assets for Keith Tkachuk at the end of his career but believe me if Sather had the chance he would have. Of all the names we've been linked to Martin St. Louis is probably the least likely to bite us in the ass.

 

[JimmyG89]

I'm just hoping that Callahan falls in love with Tampa and that 2nd turns into a 7th.

That is not how it works. We get a TB 2nd if he resigns. They get a 7th rounder too. If resigned it is:

Rangers:
MSL
TB 2015 2nd

TB:
Callahan
1st 2015
2nd 2014 (conditional)
7th 2015

 

[Thirty One]

That is not how it works. We get a TB 2nd if he resigns. They get a 7th rounder too. If resigned it is:

Rangers:
MSL
TB 2015 2nd

TB:
Callahan
1st 2015
2nd 2014 (conditional)
7th 2015

I think he's saying the 2nds effectively wash out.

 

[aufheben]

Is the way Boston built their team really that magical? They got one of their most important players (as did a lot of teams) from the 2003 draft. Who did we take? They signed Chara instead of Redden.

 

[Thirty One]

Is the way Boston built their team really that magical? They got one of their most important players (as did a lot of teams) from the 2003 draft. Who did we take? They signed Chara instead of Redden.

It took me a while to realize you weren't talking about Mark Stuart.....