Proposal: Sam Bennett (CGY) for David Pastrnak (BOS)

[qwerty]

I see Sam Bennett has become the new whipping boy of HF. Kinda sad because the kid is a full time NHLer with a lot of upside and is still well ahead of guys like Jake Virtanen, Michael Dal Colle who were chosen right after him.

Bennett will figure it out at some point, he was one of the best Flames in the 2015 playoffs vs the Canucks and his highlight package shows plenty of high end skill and I suspect his game will hit the next level when he plays full time wing. His game at this moment just does not translate well to the center as ice position in the NHL, just not strong enough or quick enough to play up the middle yet.

 

[madmike77]

I see Sam Bennett has become the new whipping boy of HF. Kinda sad because the kid is a full time NHLer with a lot of upside and is still well ahead of guys like Jake Virtanen, Michael Dal Colle who were chosen right after him.

Bennett will figure it out at some point, he was one of the best Flames in the 2015 playoffs vs the Canucks and his highlight package shows plenty of high end skill and I suspect his game will hit the next level when he plays full time wing. His game at this moment just does not translate well to the center as ice position in the NHL, just not strong enough or quick enough to play up the middle yet.

I just think it's going to be tough for Bennett to crack the top 6 for the Flames. He'd need to beat out Monahan or Backlund at C. Or Gaudreau or Tkachuk at LW. Neither is likely which leaves him with 3rd line minutes and minimal PP time, which significantly lowers his potential production. I still think he's a good player - just too bad he doesn't play RW.

Edit: I guess adding Jankowski in this year could help Bennett. He'd get to play with another skilled 3rd liner instead of the guys he was rolling with last year.

 

[Dieseloil]

It'd be an HF poll. There are almost no Flames fans here -- they're all on Calgarypuck. This site is full of Oilers fans and is slanted heavily towards "what have you done for me lately".

I'd still take Gaudreau, knowing how mediocre Draisaitl is away from McDavid. 44% GF without him, 60% GF with.

I guess you quit watching the playoffs where Draisaitl was a beast away from McDavid. Is ok. We forgive you.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I guess you quit watching the playoffs where Draisaitl was a beast away from McDavid. Is ok. We forgive you.

119 pdo

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

Oiler fans, if you're going to say Sam is a bust, can you at least say Sam Gagner instead of Yakupov? Gagner at least is the same position played, closer in draft position and shares a name. Bennett v Gagner pisses me off, but at least it's not as idiotic as Bennett v Yakupov.

Excellent point

Bennett isn't even close to going down the same path as Yakupov, Omark. Brule or Paajarvi.

Bennett career high at 21 years old is 36 points
Paajarvi career high at 21 years old is 34 points
Yakupov career high at 21 years old is 33 points

All 3 players regressed the following season and never scored their career high again.

I would say that at this moment Bennett is going down the exact same path as those 2. I think he has a far better chance of expanding on his career high than the other 2 did but it still remains to be seen.

Thanks for bringing up Paajarvi because he almost seems like a perfect comparable. We already knew about Yakupov.

 

[DJJones]

I just think it's going to be tough for Bennett to crack the top 6 for the Flames. He'd need to beat out Monahan or Backlund at C. Or Gaudreau or Tkachuk at LW. Neither is likely which leaves him with 3rd line minutes and minimal PP time, which significantly lowers his potential production. I still think he's a good player - just too bad he doesn't play RW.

Edit: I guess adding Jankowski in this year could help Bennett. He'd get to play with another skilled 3rd liner instead of the guys he was rolling with last year.

Doesn't need to outplay them. Calgary can be a three line team. Just put Tkachuk on Bennet's line. Jankowski with Backlund and boom.

Problem solved. Brouwer was a plug and versteeg is useless 5 on 5. Of course he wasn't going to do anything

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

I'm a bennet fan, Think he will be a 2 way power centre who will be an absolute beast, however Pasta is worth way more.

My thoughts exactly. I really do see a player in him but when talking about trading for a player who is the same age and already proved he is a star, you have to add way more than what the Flames would be willing to offer for Pasta.

If you want a 70 point forward for a 26 point forward be prepared to add something significant.

I think that the Flames fans on here that are defending the proposal are thinking that because they got Hamilton for so cheap, they can get Pastrnak for peanuts.

 

[DJJones]

My thoughts exactly. I really do see a player in him but when talking about trading for a player who is the same age and already proved he is a star, you have to add way more than what the Flames would be willing to offer for Pasta.

If you want a 70 point forward for a 26 point forward be prepared to add something significant.

I think that the Flames fans on here that are defending the proposal are thinking that because they got Hamilton for so cheap, they can get Pastrak for peanuts.

Not a single person has suggested that...

 

[qwerty]

I just think it's going to be tough for Bennett to crack the top 6 for the Flames. He'd need to beat out Monahan or Backlund at C. Or Gaudreau or Tkachuk at LW. Neither is likely which leaves him with 3rd line minutes and minimal PP time, which significantly lowers his potential production. I still think he's a good player - just too bad he doesn't play RW.

Edit: I guess adding Jankowski in this year could help Bennett. He'd get to play with another skilled 3rd liner instead of the guys he was rolling with last year.

I'm banking on him being a 3rd line winger for this coming season. Jankowski is the perferable center as he's the big body up the middle the Flames need. We'll see how Bennett progresses and there's potential for him to move up in the line up, but it doesn't really matter to me, if he can improve his overall game and become a 20-20 guy with leadership and grit, i'd be content with that. He'll be making $2ish million any way, so that would be good value.

 

[KidLine93]

You really don't know what you're talking about. Bennett had a disappointing season without question, but he's already an everyday NHL player. Something the players you mentioned, are not.

They were everyday NHL players due to their draft position. But then they kept playing at the level Bennett is currently playing at and teams cut them loose.

Yakupov still has a higher career ppg than Sam Bennett just so you know. And Yakupov has been on the down swing for a while....Bennett is definitly nearing that Yakupov/Virtanen territory

 

[DJJones]

They were everyday NHL players due to their draft position. But then they kept playing at the level Bennett is currently playing at and teams cut them loose.

Yakupov still has a higher career ppg than Sam Bennett just so you know. And Yakupov has been on the down swing for a while....Bennett is definitly nearing that Yakupov/Virtanen territory

Yes because he was force fed top line minutes.

Bennett is a solid player that can contribute outside of scoring. He was our best 3rd liner all year and was probably in the top 3 forwards in the playoffs. Last 15 games he was fantastic as well. Pretty much when they got rid of Brouwer.

Lay off a bit bud, you're coming off desperate.

 

[Battle Lin]

two sam bennett's wont get it done

 

[KidLine93]

Bennett's had only two seasons in the NHL. 1 down, 1 to go for JP. Also lol at "no signs of life."

Bennett has played at least a game in each of the last 3 seasons.

PoolParty will be in Bennett's position if he is putting up 25-30 point seasons in 2 years from now.

 

[KidLine93]

Under-23 players in the last decade to score 50 points while taking 650+ faceoffs and playing under 1275 minutes TOI:


Age 21 Aleksander Barkov - 52 points in 2016-17
Age 20 Jack Eichel - 57 points in 2016-17
Age 22 Steven Stamkos - 57 points in 2012-13
Age 19 Jonathan Toews - 54 points in 2007-08
Age 20 Sidney Crosby - 72 points in 2007-08

So you've got:

- A guy playing with Huberdeau and Jagr on his team's top line who was injured
- A PPG first line offensive monster, who was injured
- A franchise center playing on the first line with the Art Ross winner that year, in a lockout shortened season
- A franchise center in an era where power plays were handed out more liberally, playing on a first line with a future Art Ross winner, who was injured
- The best player of our generation, who was injured

That's how unrealistic it is for Sam Bennett to score 50+ points in the role he plays. If he pulled it off, I'm not sure a team would accept Marchand + Pastrnak for him.

Is it a coincidence you made an arbitrary line at 1275 minutes played to slightly cut out Draisaitl's 2015-2016 season

 

[Nikita Gucherov]

For every Yakupov, Paajarvi and Brule there are just as many Johansen's, Turris' and Scheifele's.

It's a lot of responsibility as a 3C on a playoff team. To expect every top prospect to come in and steadily increase their point production while ignoring their development in other aspects of their game isn't really fair. If Bennett was playing a more prominent scoring role, chances are his numbers would have reflected it.

To answer the OP, obviously Calgary adds an important piece at this point. If I'm Calgary then I probably revisit this next year.

 

[34]

Sam Bennett is in nail yakupov territory. Calgary would add significantly.
Bennett, kylington, 1st round pick minimum.

This exactly. Bennet is a huge bust.

 

[KidLine93]

Yes because he was force fed top line minutes.

Bennett is a solid player that can contribute outside of scoring. He was our best 3rd liner all year and was probably in the top 3 forwards in the playoffs. Last 15 games he was fantastic as well. Pretty much when they got rid of Brouwer.

Lay off a bit bud, you're coming off desperate.

I'm just posting stats that shows he compares to Yakupov (well below Yakupov at the same point in their careers). It's sad that this keeps you up at night.

And congrats to Bennett for being a top 3 forward for Calgary in the playoffs. If he wasn't top 3 on a team that got swept in the first round it would be even more concerning.

Its funny how Flames fans loved to jump all over Yakupov but now they're all crying that HF is giving Bennett a hard time

I can still remember you guys calling Draisaitl a bust after his rookie season getting sent back to the WHL when Bennett put up a whopping 4 points in the NHL playoffs that year, but now that the tables have turned its not fair?

 

[DJJones]

I'm just posting stats that shows he compares to Yakupov (well below Yakupov at the same point in their careers). It's sad that this keeps you up at night.

And congrats to Bennett for being a top 3 forward for Calgary in the playoffs. If he wasn't top 3 on a team that got swept in the first round it would be even more concerning.

Its funny how Flames fans loved to jump all over Yakupov but now they're all crying that HF is giving Bennett a hard time

I can still remember you guys calling Draisaitl a bust after his rookie season getting sent back to the WHL when Bennett put up a whopping 4 points in the NHL playoffs that year, but now that the tables have turned its not fair?

Well ya, anyone who said that about Leon was an idiot haha.

See the pattern here

 

[1dreamof1cup]

I would have thought oilers fans would be more humble after beeing the absolute thrash of the nhl for so long. Guess not. As for the topic, no point for us to trade for bennett because we have krejci, bergeron and spooner as our Cs and are lacking wingers. Bennett will figure it out tho, too much talent not too. I think he'll end up as a 60 pts player or close to.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

For every Yakupov, Paajarvi and Brule there are just as many Johansen's, Turris' and Scheifele's.

It's a lot of responsibility as a 3C on a playoff team. To expect every top prospect to come in and steadily increase their point production while ignoring their development in other aspects of their game isn't really fair. If Bennett was playing a more prominent scoring role, chances are his numbers would have reflected it.

To answer the OP, obviously Calgary adds an important piece at this point. If I'm Calgary then I probably revisit this next year.

Probably the best post I've read in this thread.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Is it a coincidence you made an arbitrary line at 1275 minutes played to slightly cut out Draisaitl's 2015-2016 season

No? Is it a coincidence you cut out the part earlier in that post where I said "For an idea of Bennett's expected role, consider he played 1214 TOI last season. He killed penalties, played some second unit PP. and played less minutes at 5-on-5 than the top two lines (naturally) You could give him on an extra 35-40 minutes of power play time next year but that'd be the extent of it. "?

1214 + 40 = 1254. I simply rounded up to 1275 instead of rounding down to 1250. Not that it made a difference.

Not to mention Draisaitl played as Taylor Hall's sidekick that year. But I'm sure that doesn't matter

 

[CraigsList]

I'm just posting stats that shows he compares to Yakupov (well below Yakupov at the same point in their careers). It's sad that this keeps you up at night.

And congrats to Bennett for being a top 3 forward for Calgary in the playoffs. If he wasn't top 3 on a team that got swept in the first round it would be even more concerning.

Its funny how Flames fans loved to jump all over Yakupov but now they're all crying that HF is giving Bennett a hard time

I can still remember you guys calling Draisaitl a bust after his rookie season getting sent back to the WHL when Bennett put up a whopping 4 points in the NHL playoffs that year, but now that the tables have turned its not fair?

Good heavens, quit whining.

 

[madmike77]

Excellent point



Bennett career high at 21 years old is 36 points
Paajarvi career high at 21 years old is 34 points
Yakupov career high at 21 years old is 33 points

All 3 players regressed the following season and never scored their career high again.

I would say that at this moment Bennett is going down the exact same path as those 2. I think he has a far better chance of expanding on his career high than the other 2 did but it still remains to be seen.

Thanks for bringing up Paajarvi because he almost seems like a perfect comparable. We already knew about Yakupov.

Pretty sure Yakupov had plenty of minutes including PP time. Bennett's been a 3rd liner with little PP time. His big problem is he's not better than Monahan or Backlund. And he can't play RW.

 

[Leafs87]

Calgary adds a lot

 

[Sbergeron17]

This is horrendous for Boston..

Coming from an Oilers fan.