Sam Bennett Available

[Judas Tavares]

If we had signed Bogo last year, do Leafs beat CBJ ? Leaf management decided to pass on Bogo and it bit them in the ass when Muzz went down and Maricin was next man up.

Very possible. I also feel if Bozak didn't get hurt in 2013 and Kadri didn't get suspended in 2018 and deja vu in 2019 we win all those series. But. Need to be able to survive with an injury here or there. Hopefully that happens this year.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I'm not one for the goon squad but we should absolutely target a player like Watson over Bennet. I like Kerfoot and I wouldn't trade him for a player like Beagle or Watson but I'd take them on my team.

I was thinking Kerfoot for Sissons .. Sissons brings a right shot big man game defensive centre with a touch of offense ... Preds may want a little more offensive type of guy and a lot faster ... we could use a grittier hard to play against playoff force ... we get a lower AAV and a guy with a solid contract long term ... we could use extra AAV to pick up another vet dman for war ... and we could throw in Kerfoot's buddy Vesey too as an extra helper for them to score ... in my mind Robertson is already a better option than Vesey

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I'm a Sens fan but was discussing this with my buddy... thoughts?

To MTL

• T. Dermott (874k)
• P. Engvall (1.25m)

From MTL

• J. Weal (1.4m)
• V. Mete (.735m)

MTL sends out 1.06m, takes on 1.05m (assuming Engvall buried)
To CGY

• J. Weal (1.4m)
• W. Simmonds (1.5m)
• V. Mete (735k)

From CGY:

• S. Bennett (2.55m)
• O. Kylington (787k)

CGY sends out 2.55m, takes on 2.61m (assuming Weal buried)

To TOR

• S. Bennett (2.55m)
• O. Kylington (787k)

From TOR:

• T. Dermott (874k)
• W. Simmonds (1.5m)
• P. Engvall (1.25m)

TOR sends out 2.55m, takes on 2.55m (assuming Kylington buried)

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Very possible. I also feel if Bozak didn't get hurt in 2013 and Kadri didn't get suspended in 2018 and deja vu in 2019 we win all those series. But. Need to be able to survive with an injury here or there. Hopefully that happens this year.

Yes hindsight is 20/20 and defenders go down in war time ... this year maybe we lose 2 guys ... we need to be 9 deep on defense ... we need 1 more vet dman to help out so we do not get into similar problems which are highly predictable

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I was thinking Kerfoot for Sissons .. Sissons brings a right shot big man game defensive centre with a touch of offense ... Preds may want a little more offensive type of guy and a lot faster ... we could use a grittier hard to play against playoff force ... we get a lower AAV and a guy with a solid contract long term ... we could use extra AAV to pick up another vet dman for war ... and we could throw in Kerfoot's buddy Vesey too as an extra helper for them to score ... in my mind Robertson is already a better option than Vesey

I dont think the Preds even sniff that. 6 more years at 2.857m for Sissons vs 3 x 3.5 for Kerfoot... when you look at who he'd be playing behind (Johansen & Duchene), I think Kerfoot is the last type of guy Nashville would want.

Sissons would be a really great add for Toronto, both stylistically and in terms of his cost certainty, but I think it starts with a 1st and you go from there.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I dont think the Preds even sniff that. 6 more years at 2.857m for Sissons vs 3 x 3.5 for Kerfoot... when you look at who he'd be playing behind (Johansen & Duchene), I think Kerfoot is the last type of guy Nashville would want.

Sissons would be a really great add for Toronto, both stylistically and in terms of his cost certainty, but I think it starts with a 1st and you go from there.

I would give up our 2021 1st rounder and Kerfoot for him ... keep in mind da 2021 draft is brutal so if you don't have 1st pick it really sucks ... we need a Cup driver as 3C

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I would give up our 2021 1st rounder and Kerfoot for him ... keep in mind da 2021 draft is brutal so if you don't have 1st pick it really sucks ... we need a Cup driver as 3C

I think that's probably what it would take but even then, they may so no.

I think the 2021 draft will be really interesting. If they push it back, you will be drafting ONLY "overagers", which, assuming hockey is essentially back to normal next yr, should give a BIG edge. As a Sens fan, this is what I'm hoping for...

If the draft proceeds as normal, though, I agree that a 2021 1st will hold a lot less value than normal. As a result, teams may even prefer a 2nd next year, or simply demand a 2022 1st in any trades involving high draft capital.

 

[TMLAM34]

Lol at the price for Sissons starting at a 1st...

 

[Fogelhund]

I'm a Sens fan but was discussing this with my buddy... thoughts?

To MTL

• T. Dermott (874k)
• P. Engvall (1.25m)

From MTL

• J. Weal (1.4m)
• V. Mete (.735m)

MTL sends out 1.06m, takes on 1.05m (assuming Engvall buried)
To CGY

• J. Weal (1.4m)
• W. Simmonds (1.5m)
• V. Mete (735k)

From CGY:

• S. Bennett (2.55m)
• O. Kylington (787k)

CGY sends out 2.55m, takes on 2.61m (assuming Weal buried)

To TOR

• S. Bennett (2.55m)
• O. Kylington (787k)

From TOR:

• T. Dermott (874k)
• W. Simmonds (1.5m)
• P. Engvall (1.25m)

TOR sends out 2.55m, takes on 2.55m (assuming Kylington buried)

Toronto has no real use for Kylington, and would prefer to keep Simmonds. Moving Dermott for Bennett and Kylington isn't really the right move for the Leafs. Engvall + later pick for Bennett at 50% seems to be about where Leafs fans are on this.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Toronto has no real use for Kylington, and would prefer to keep Simmonds. Moving Dermott for Bennett and Kylington isn't really the right move for the Leafs. Engvall + later pick for Bennett at 50% seems to be about where Leafs fans are on this.

I think thats a big undervaluation of Bennett, and he won't be dealt for that. CGY would be much better off just holding him and letting the Kraken claim him. Bennett is a good player who will continue to play hard for them. Kylington would be a taxi squad D who would be used sparingly, included only to mitigate some of the loss of Dermott. I didn't consider him to carry any value in the trade, but I also didn't consider Engvall to carry much real value, either. Maybe I am undervaluing Engvall.

That said, wasn't aware that Simmonds was impressing that much, and maybe I'm undervaluing him, too. I get not wanting to do the trade and am not saying you are wrong for not willing to pay more than the price you said, but I think there would be many teams who beat it with a smile.

EDIT: Also, I originally had Engvall + Dermott as the base but didn't think CGY would be willing or able to retain, so I added in Simmonds. I did so reluctantly because its not exactly a classy move by TML.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I think that's probably what it would take but even then, they may so no.

I think the 2021 draft will be really interesting. If they push it back, you will be drafting ONLY "overagers", which, assuming hockey is essentially back to normal next yr, should give a BIG edge. As a Sens fan, this is what I'm hoping for...

If the draft proceeds as normal, though, I agree that a 2021 1st will hold a lot less value than normal. As a result, teams may even prefer a 2nd next year, or simply demand a 2022 1st in any trades involving high draft capital.

It has already started when you look at limited trades which have already occurred almost all our 2022 draft ... I would trade Kerfoot and our 2021 1st rounder for Paul straight up too ... he would help us out a lot as 3C and let him come back home ... we need a defensively responsible centre with size to control game ... and maybe Dorion would do it because he was never high on Paul as Murray was ... which was reason Murray did Spezz trade ... but i know DJ would crush it so that would be a NO too

 

[TMLAM34]

Simmonds took less to play for the Leafs. There’s zero chance Dubas trades him, nor should he. Simmonds is your ideal 4th line player who can bring net front presence on the PP.

I don’t see a good fit for Bennett here either with his salary. We literally cannot afford his contract and I’m sure he’ll be asking for a similar price tag as an RFA this off-season.

Crouse is the guy to go after IMO.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Grass is always greener syndrome

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

It has already started when you look at limited trades which have already occurred almost all our 2022 draft ... I would trade Kerfoot and our 2021 1st rounder for Paul straight up too ... he would help us out a lot as 3C and let him come back home ... we need a defensively responsible centre with size to control game ... and maybe Dorion would do it because he was never high on Paul as Murray was ... which was reason Murray did Spezz trade ... but i know DJ would crush it so that would be a NO too

Pretty much hits the nail on the head. I'd do that from a Sens perspective, though... I don't love Kerfoot but he would at least add a bit of speed and dynamism to our team, + I'm confident we'd get a good player with the 1st.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Pretty much hits the nail on the head. I'd do that from a Sens perspective, though... I don't love Kerfoot but he would at least add a bit of speed and dynamism to our team, + I'm confident we'd get a good player with the 1st.

Yeah your centres lack speed except White who is still not fully healthy ... I wonder if dorion will get schooled on White??? ... we don't need him with JT and Matty as our #1/2 guys ... but hopefully he is smart enough to realize to pick up another centre with speed to add to White ... Norris, Stepan and Tierney are not fast enough ... Norris is another interesting player but I think he should be a skilled 1st line LW to me

 

[Orfieus]

First PLD, now Bennett

Want to know something, it says a lot where a bunch of people are calling for Dubas to get PLD and when he didn't there isn't a tread criticising his decision (or lack of even attempting to get a deal done)

Stop looking to trade for someone simply for the trade itself, it is pathetic

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Yeah your centres lack speed except White who is still not fully healthy ... I wonder if dorion will get schooled on White??? ... we don't need him with JT and Matty as our #1/2 guys ... but hopefully he is smart enough to realize to pick up another centre with speed to add to White ... Norris, Stepan and Tierney are not fast enough ... Norris is another interesting player but I think he should be a skilled 1st line LW to me

Norris can get up and down the ice pretty well. Not a burner though. Whitey has been arguably our best fwd over the past 3 games, he is back to doing the things that helped him succeed in his rookie year (besides playing with Mark Stone!). Would be interesting to see Norris and Stutzle eventually switch positions... I think Norris will develop into a good faceoff guy, though, so should always have at least some C responsibilities. Why do you see him more as a LW? Due to solid board play ability & relative lack of playmaking skill?

Lol at the price for Sissons starting at a 1st...

Teams dont make trade for the sake of making them. Nashville has no reason to trade him. Is his value not significantly greater than Barclay Goodrows was last season? Could he not have a similar impact to Blake Coleman, while being signed for 5x longer on a sweetheart deal? If Sissons was on the block, it might be a different story, but the price would still be substantial. Guys very good on the draw, physical, great on the forecheck and along the wall, starts like 70% in the DZone, very good defensively... find me the tree where guys like that come from.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Norris can get up and down the ice pretty well. Not a burner though. Whitey has been arguably our best fwd over the past 3 games, he is back to doing the things that helped him succeed in his rookie year (besides playing with Mark Stone!). Would be interesting to see Norris and Stutzle eventually switch positions... I think Norris will develop into a good faceoff guy, though, so should always have at least some C responsibilities. Why do you see him more as a LW? Due to solid board play ability & relative lack of playmaking skill?



Teams dont make trade for the sake of making them. Nashville has no reason to trade him. Is his value not significantly greater than Barclay Goodrows was last season? Could he not have a similar impact to Blake Coleman, while being signed for 5x longer on a sweetheart deal? If Sissons was on the block, it might be a different story, but the price would still be substantial.

White has a 6th gear which you saw in his rookie year ... when he gets it back look out he will be very good value as a 2nd line centre ... Norris is strong on wall and has amazing hand eye skills ... to me Norris Stutz and Batherson will be your #1 line in 3 years and it will be very good ... Tz White and Brown will be your 2nd line and it will be very good next year ... then Paul will centre your 3rd line and L Brown your 4th line ... in 3 years you will have a team that contends again

 

[Fogelhund]

I think thats a big undervaluation of Bennett, and he won't be dealt for that. CGY would be much better off just holding him and letting the Kraken claim him. Bennett is a good player who will continue to play hard for them. Kylington would be a taxi squad D who would be used sparingly, included only to mitigate some of the loss of Dermott. I didn't consider him to carry any value in the trade, but I also didn't consider Engvall to carry much real value, either. Maybe I am undervaluing Engvall.

That said, wasn't aware that Simmonds was impressing that much, and maybe I'm undervaluing him, too. I get not wanting to do the trade and am not saying you are wrong for not willing to pay more than the price you said, but I think there would be many teams who beat it with a smile.

EDIT: Also, I originally had Engvall + Dermott as the base but didn't think CGY would be willing or able to retain, so I added in Simmonds. I did so reluctantly because its not exactly a classy move by TML.

Is it a big undervalution of Bennett though? I mean, Bennett has 13 regular season points since the start of last season. Engvall has 16 points. Bennett isn't a C, or at least hasn't shown so far he can be. You are obtaining Bennett, because of a couple of playoff runs, that couldn't be repeated in regular season, on the hopes he comes alive again in the playoffs. I like Bennett, and would add him, but given it's public he wants out, I just don't see a reason to overpay. Also note, Engvall is waivers exempt, so we have roster flexibility... and I believe Bennett would either need to be protected, or is expansion exposed... so why pay much for a guy who you need to expose anyway? Bennett is also arbitration eligible. In a flat cap world, he isn't worth what he's getting paid now, let alone getting more in arb and walking away, if he isn't claimed. Chances are high, he isn't getting qualified next year, and will go to UFA... I'd make an off then, not now.

If someone wants to outbid that... all the power to them.

 

[13pacheco31]

Is it a big undervalution of Bennett though? I mean, Bennett has 13 regular season points since the start of last season. Engvall has 16 points. Bennett isn't a C, or at least hasn't shown so far he can be. You are obtaining Bennett, because of a couple of playoff runs, that couldn't be repeated in regular season, on the hopes he comes alive again in the playoffs. I like Bennett, and would add him, but given it's public he wants out, I just don't see a reason to overpay. Also note, Engvall is waivers exempt, so we have roster flexibility... and I believe Bennett would either need to be protected, or is expansion exposed... so why pay much for a guy who you need to expose anyway? Bennett is also arbitration eligible. In a flat cap world, he isn't worth what he's getting paid now, let alone getting more in arb and walking away, if he isn't claimed. Chances are high, he isn't getting qualified next year, and will go to UFA... I'd make an off then, not now.

If someone wants to outbid that... all the power to them.

I've been saying pretty much this on the main board and it blows my mind how many people disagree with that. Apparently 2.5 for Bennett isn't that bad because he's a playoff warrior even though he's an anchor at that price the rest of the year. It really makes me laugh how Bennett at 2.5 in a flat cap is golden but Kerfoot is an anchor at 3.5

 

[The Iceman]

Lol at the price for Sissons starting at a 1st...

Well Sissons has gotten over 9 goals once and is on pace for 7 goals this season.

Kerfoot is a massive overpay as is the Sisson salary.
Kerfoot would be a top 6 winger all day in nashville.

 

[TMLAM34]

Well Sissons has gotten over 9 goals once and is on pace for 7 goals this season.

Kerfoot is a massive overpay as is the Sisson salary.
Kerfoot would be a top 6 winger all day in nashville.

I totally agree. There’s zero percent chance Sissons starting cost is a 1st + . Not to mention Kerfoot is a better player than Sissons.

If Mikheyev was burying his chances, Kerfoot would have a couple more assists and Leafs nation would be saying we have the leagues best third line center. Haha

 

[Anthrax442]

Good 4th liner, not worth anyone off our roster, since he is basically a salary dump.

 

[zeke]

Good 4th liner, not worth anyone off our roster, since he is basically a salary dump.

Ok 4th liner.

 

[Mess]

A player like Bennett's true value would be seen in the playoffs where the game is played and often won in the trenches.

Evidence of this can be seen from last years playoffs where he recorded 5 goals and 8 points in 10 games, leading all Flames players in goals and tied in points while also leading the team in hits with 54.