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[VanW27]

to be fair, I think if we do acquire Bennett we have to bury the idea that this is a reclamation project. He is what Jake Virtannen currently is for the Canucks, what Zach Kassion was for most teams he has played for. I am all but confident he will never live up to his draft position. But that is quite OK with me, as long as we don't pay the price for the player that reflects where he was drafted lol

If you're acquiring Bennet for the player he is/has shown to be over his career then he's a pure cap dump and Calgary needs to eat 50% to get anything back or take back another cap dump.

Honestly the only reason I think a Virtanen for Bennet swap hasn't happened already is Calgary would rather just walk away from Bennet in the offseason and get the 2.55 in cap space then take back a similar player with an extra year on their contract.

 

[Twine Tickler]

If you're acquiring Bennet for the player he is/has shown to be over his career then he's a pure cap dump and Calgary needs to eat 50% to get anything back or take back another cap dump.

Honestly the only reason I think a Virtanen for Bennet swap hasn't happened already is Calgary would rather just walk away from Bennet in the offseason and get the 2.55 in cap space then take back a similar player with an extra year on their contract.

Yes I agree, I think Calgary is ok with moving on from Sam Bennett. I certainly don't think his value is where Travis Dermott's is personally. TD is equally as effective if not better in his role in comparison to Sam Bennett in his role. I think Sam Bennett is an attractive acquisition because he will be highly motivated, and provides an element we have lacked in recent years. I am not sure there is a trade to be made personally. But I'd be offering something on the lower end of things. Petan + a 3rd rounder. Obviously CGY would have to retain in that scenario, but its the framework I'd run with. Just think Travis Dermott is far more attractive of an option than Sam Bennett at this point in their careers.

 

[sxvnert]

Move Kerfoot for Bennett straight up instead. Thornton + Spezza split the #3 duties for the rest of the season.

Hyman Matthews Marner
Bennett Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Thornton Simmonds
Robertson Spezza Engvall
Boyd

 

[smitty10]

Move Kerfoot for Bennett straight up instead. Thornton + Spezza split the #3 duties for the rest of the season.

That's a bad deal for us. Kerfoot is mediocre, but can provide 40 points/year. We need secondary scoring and Bennett won't provide that. He'll be an effective 3rd/4th line grinder.

 

[sxvnert]

He'll be an effective 3rd/4th line grinder.

As was Hyman at one point in time. He can easily grow into a Hyman type role on the 2nd line

 

[crump]

Patan on the PP tonight. Demonstrating his talents

 

[ToneDog]

That's a bad deal for us. Kerfoot is mediocre, but can provide 40 points/year. We need secondary scoring and Bennett won't provide that. He'll be an effective 3rd/4th line grinder.

Kerfoot has scored 40+ twice for Colorado. On pace for 35 this year. Where Bennett beats him is in the playoffs 0.64 PPG in 30 games to Kerfoot's 0.38 in 23 games. I guess it depends on what Dubas values most.

 

[Jeypic]

Yes I agree, I think Calgary is ok with moving on from Sam Bennett. I certainly don't think his value is where Travis Dermott's is personally. TD is equally as effective if not better in his role in comparison to Sam Bennett in his role. I think Sam Bennett is an attractive acquisition because he will be highly motivated, and provides an element we have lacked in recent years. I am not sure there is a trade to be made personally. But I'd be offering something on the lower end of things. Petan + a 3rd rounder. Obviously CGY would have to retain in that scenario, but its the framework I'd run with. Just think Travis Dermott is far more attractive of an option than Sam Bennett at this point in their careers.

That’s a good starting point, but cgy retaining will bring up Bennett’s value. Calgary wants defence too. I don’t like the idea of dealing dermott either. I’d be willing to move Lehtonen though I think.

 

[Twine Tickler]

That’s a good starting point, but cgy retaining will bring up Bennett’s value. Calgary wants defence too. I don’t like the idea of dealing dermott either. I’d be willing to move Lehtonen though I think.

Yup I think that is a little bit more appropriate value. My only concern would be the optics of shipping Mikko out could be detrimental to attracting future Euro UFA's. He signed with TO for a reason, wouldn't look very good for us to just dish him halfway through his first season. That said, it wouldn't look good having him in the press box either. So I am not opposed to it for sure

 

[rumman]

Be an excellent deadline pickup. He certainly would have helped them make the playoffs last year.

I see what you did there.........

 

[Menzinger]

Bennett for Kerfoot, straight up.

Then the team has no 3c.

 

[Menzinger]

Move Kerfoot for Bennett straight up instead. Thornton + Spezza split the #3 duties for the rest of the season.

Hyman Matthews Marner
Bennett Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Thornton Simmonds
Robertson Spezza Engvall
Boyd

The problem is Spezza is the most load manged guy on the roster, and Thornton is coming off an injury.

I dont think thats the tandem you want to have to cover 2 centre spots in the lineup for the season and playoffs. And I say this as someone whose very high on both of those older guys.

Kerfoot actually gets pretty difficult zone starts compared to any other centre on the team. It's a young man's job

 

[TMLAM34]

Thornton and Engvall could split 3C duties if we were to trade Kerfoot. However if there’s any deal to be made, it’ll probably involve Dermott.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

How many pull ups can he do now? More than 0? Beast

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yup I think that is a little bit more appropriate value. My only concern would be the optics of shipping Mikko out could be detrimental to attracting future Euro UFA's. He signed with TO for a reason, wouldn't look very good for us to just dish him halfway through his first season. That said, it wouldn't look good having him in the press box either. So I am not opposed to it for sure

I'd also be concerned that Mikko turns out to be an excellent NHL Dman and we regret trading him. I like our D as it is, injuries happen and we're not as deep as some people seem to think so I would not be trading any Dmen at all unless there's Dmen coming back.

 

[Sypher04]

I don't think Kerfoot can be or should be in a deal for Bennett.
I think there's an argument Bennett wouldn't be lining up as depth if he's acquired. I think a possible idea would be moreso to try him in that 2nd line wing spot. He is capable of bringing a lot of what Hyman brings to Tavares & Nylander, when Hyman himself is being used with Matthews & Marner, but with a lot more physicality.
We'd still need Kerfoot to lineup after, but I think it's become clear the third line would still need tweaks.

 

[Sypher04]

I'd also be concerned that Mikko turns out to be an excellent NHL Dman and we regret trading him. I like our D as it is, injuries happen and we're not as deep as some people seem to think so I would not be trading any Dmen at all unless there's Dmen coming back.

Yeah, I'm in an absolutely no hurry to move any of our defensive depth.

 

[34]

No need for Bennett. He is not an upgrade over Engvall. On top of that Thorton and Robertson will be back next week.

 

[smitty10]

As was Hyman at one point in time. He can easily grow into a Hyman type role on the 2nd line

He won't "easily" grow into that role though. It's not like he hasn't been given opportunity or played with good players before. His motor doesn't consistently run like Hyman's does. Calgary has good players and invested a ton into him, yet he hasn't become that player.

Could he turn into a top 6 role player? Yeah, he could. Is it likely? Not really.

I'd gladly take him on this team. I just don't have top 6 expectations for a player who has played 5 NHL seasons and averages about 25 points per year with a declining trend of point totals.

 

[Bluelines]

Then the team has no 3c.

Spez , Big Joe.

 

[Martin Skoula]

He won't "easily" grow into that role though. It's not like he hasn't been given opportunity or played with good players before. His motor doesn't consistently run like Hyman's does. Calgary has good players and invested a ton into him, yet he hasn't become that player.

Could he turn into a top 6 role player? Yeah, he could. Is it likely? Not really.

I'd gladly take him on this team. I just don't have top 6 expectations for a player who has played 5 NHL seasons and averages about 25 points per year with a declining trend of point totals.

Not to mention how much possession he'd kill with his offensive zone penalties. He makes sense as a 3rd liner to lay some hits over the course of a long series, but playing him top-6 is a huge gamble.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

As was Hyman at one point in time. He can easily grow into a Hyman type role on the 2nd line

Hyman has higher hockey IQ. Not every grinder can play like Hyman.

 

[Knies iT]

That's a bad deal for us. Kerfoot is mediocre, but can provide 40 points/year. We need secondary scoring and Bennett won't provide that. He'll be an effective 3rd/4th line grinder.

Kerfoot hasn’t provided 40pts a year though, at some point he has to actually show that again. Maybe when he was getting reps beside MacKinnon, sure, but with 3rd line centre usage here he’s been in the 20-30 point range, which is absolutely replaceable. He has 2 goals in 13 games coming off a 28 point season being paid more than Kapanen/AJ.

I think Kerfoot carries more value than Bennett but people here are acting like there’s some massive separation between the two. We’re talking about two 3rd liners here and I’m entirely fine with sacrificing soft skill for what is severely lacking on this roster. Kerfoot’s a 3rd line perimeter playmaker who has poor finish and is also undisciplined with his minor penalties. Bennett at least gets his money’s worth when he goes to the box.

Also, unless you want Thornton on the top line, which is a huge issue, he will need a spot in the bottom six and I’d prefer him centring that line with Robertson down the road. It’s clear Jumbo will not be sitting out games when healthy so make room.

Look at the Ritchie for Heinen deal as a comparable. ANA doesn’t do that deal for a guy like Bjork.

 

[zeke]

Kerfoot hasn’t provided 40pts a year though, at some point he has to actually show that again. Maybe when he was getting reps beside MacKinnon, sure, but with 3rd line centre usage here he’s been in the 20-30 point range, which is absolutely replaceable. He has 2 goals in 13 games coming off a 28 point season being paid more than Kapanen/AJ.

I think Kerfoot carries more value than Bennett but people here are acting like there’s some massive separation between the two. We’re talking about two 3rd liners here and I’m entirely fine with sacrificing soft skill for what is severely lacking on this roster. Kerfoot’s a 3rd line perimeter playmaker who has poor finish and is also undisciplined with his minor penalties. Bennett at least gets his money’s worth when he goes to the box.

Also, unless you want Thornton on the top line, which is a huge issue, he will need a spot in the bottom six and I’d prefer him centring that line with Robertson down the road. It’s clear Jumbo will not be sitting out games when healthy so make room.

Look at the Ritchie for Heinen deal as a comparable. ANA doesn’t do that deal for a guy like Bjork.

Simply an issue of PP time.

Kerfoot has actually been more productive at even strength in Toronto than he was in Colorado.

COL: EV 11:51toi, 13gl/27pt pace --- PP 2:17toi, 5gl/17pt pace
TOR: EV 12:57toi, 11gl/31pt pace --- PP 1:16toi, 1gl/4pt pace

Solid 3rd line EV production on both teams.

Hasn't been used as much on the PP here, but that's irrelevant to how good he is or isn't as a #3C.


Bennett, otoh: EV 12:19toi, 11gl/23pt pace --- PP 1:23toi, 3gl/5pt pace
Last 2 years: EV 11:39toi, 12gl/17pt pace --- PP 0:47toi, 0gl/1pt pace

And he's a winger who's not any good defensively.

 

[Tmart335]

Simply an issue of PP time.

Kerfoot has actually been more productive at even strength in Toronto than he was in Colorado.

COL: EV 11:51toi, 13gl/27pt pace --- PP 2:17toi, 5gl/17pt pace
TOR: EV 12:57toi, 11gl/31pt pace --- PP 1:16toi, 1gl/4pt pace

Solid 3rd line EV production on both teams.

Hasn't been used as much on the PP here, but that's irrelevant to how good he is or isn't as a #3C.


Bennett, otoh: EV 12:19toi, 11gl/23pt pace --- PP 1:23toi, 3gl/5pt pace
Last 2 years: EV 11:39toi, 12gl/17pt pace --- PP 0:47toi, 0gl/1pt pace

And he's a winger who's not any good defensively.

liking the homework on the numbers there. I would like to acquire Bennett , but prob not at the expense of losing kerfoot. Kind of seems like a lateral move

if the leafs were actually interested in Bennett. I think we should add him by moving some depth guys and maybe a pick?

the leafs are looking to become a deeper team. They need to add some more sandpaper and a guy with a bit of offence as well.

Could a line of Bennett kerfoot and simmonds look alright?