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This year plus last year, Even Strength:

Engvall (24): 10:32toi, 11gl/22pt pace, 51.6xgf%
Bennett (24): 11:40toi, 11gl/16pt pace, 51.5xgf%

Engvall is (much) bigger, he's faster, more productive, better on the PK, and actually has a shot at sticking at center, unlike Bennett.
 
Who do we use as 3C then? Spezza? Jumbo Joe? Just not a move I think we could make.
There is no chance Calgary take Kerfoot for Bennett. Calgary don't move a player like Bennett until they get an offer they can't refuse. I wouldn't either.
 
I’m more interested in getting Robertson back from injury and getting him in the mix than i am of getting Bennett. Maybe at the trade deadline but not now.
 
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No, he's just not been good as a C.

Geoff Ward on Bennett last night..

At the beginning of the season, and what a lot of people don’t know, I basically gave Sam the choice of where he wanted to play. He wanted to start at centre and so we started him at centre, and he came in after a couple of games and said, ‘Hey, I think I may want to take the other option,’ which was playing on the wing. We gave him a choice to play in two different positions at the start of the year. So before anybody jumps all over that as to reasons why he may be unhappy, let’s just quell that right now.

He's going to be a winger from here on... that's just the reality of it.

Flames' fan just chiming in with my two cents. I will start this off by "I do NOT want Bennett traded".

This is Bennett to Flames' fans:

Bennett just really needs a chance. He can still be a very effective player with more offence out of him if given proper linemates.
Bennett is a bust.

He is a polarizing player, without question. However, every single playoff game he is in makes people adore him. He goes balls to the wall. Whistles get put away a bit more, and he ends up taking less penalties. The amount of penalties he takes is a bit overblown IMO - players that play physical are just going to get those called on them now and then. Has he taken a few bad penalties? Absolutely he has, but not at the rate that people assume.

I directly quoted you here in particular because I was perusing this thread to see what you guys thought, and I see a lot of 'Sam Bennett is not a centre'.

When he came into the league, he definitely didn't play as a centre - Bob Hartley got him alongside Backlund, and he did really well (scored more goals than Monahan's rookie year - future is looking awesome with this kid!) Gulutzan then came along and the Flames suddenly switched to 'win now' mode. Gulutzan was terrible at development, and the Flames had just signed Brouwer. Bennett got stapled to Brouwer. Then he got stapled to Neal. He got stapled to a bunch of players that only McDavid can get them to score.

Bennett has about ZERO confidence right now. Whether you are a Calgary fan who hates him, or a fan that loves him, it is easy to see that he suffers from a lack of confidence. After the playoffs, Treliving, Ward and even Conroy were talking about how good of a centre Bennett is, and how 'next season' he will be the third line centre with decent linemates, and then see where they go. However, as the season neared, the Flames decided to push Lindholm into the C spot, so now the Flames have Monahan, Lindholm and Backlund.

Bennett will displace Backlund in the future, but not for this year, and probably not next. Backlund is a little unheralded, but he is an excellent defensive centre who still produces at a 2nd line clip every season. Struggles out of the gate for some reason every single year, but he eventually settles into being just a completely awesome 2-way centre that takes all the tough minutes and is seeing 65% defensive zone starts.

Lindholm is playing well with Tkachuk, so the Flames now are trying to run 2 scoring lines. He isn't going to displace Lindholm who is also good defensively and offensively. Monahan and Gaudreau - yeah, they aren't going to split those two up.

The organization promised a centre position - they talked it up quite a lot. Bennett really earned it with his play in the playoffs. You really have to hate Bennett after watching that and not think that he can't be an effective centre. He just needs the rope. Flames can't give him that rope right now with the centres ahead of him, and with 2 years of Gaudreau and Tkachuk left on their 'bargain' contracts, and 3 with Monahan - it makes it tough to break him into the lineup at centre without him actually pushing anyone out - and he needs a lot of rope to do so. Not going to happen.

However, he is MORE effective as a centre than a forward. He seems to see the ice better, and he is decent defensively as well. Gets into the coach's doghouse sometimes for taking offensive zone penalties because he is over-aggressive, but there have also been absolutely silly calls against him (IIRC, one player actually dodged to avoid Bennett's hit, so Bennett didn't even touch him, but lost his footing and Bennett got a tripping call in the offensive zone anyway - like really???). Stuff like that happens, but he definitely DOES take the occasional offensive zone penalty sometimes which is annoying.

Oh, and he is sneaky tough. He can hang with guys who are bigger and stronger than him. He rocked Nurse last season with a big open-ice hit, and of course Nurse gets all angry and tries to fight Bennett, refs didn't break it up, so Bennett fought Nurse, and surprisingly, didn't look out of place. The Bennett-Trouba fight was one to look up.

Either way, here is last season's highlight package = regular season + playoffs. He is polarizing - some people feel he is what he is, some people feel that he can be a much better producer (though most do not think he can put up 1st line numbers - I personally think he can put up very respectable middle 6 numbers, and everything else that comes with that makes him more valuable IMO). I know that the Flames don't want to trade him, and I doubt that he does get traded. He apparently didn't request a trade - the team did not receive a trade request, but Bennett hasn't been happy with his deployment to date. Still, I almost want to see him traded just to see how he develops (or not) somewhere else.

 
Flames' fan just chiming in with my two cents. I will start this off by "I do NOT want Bennett traded".

This is Bennett to Flames' fans:

Bennett just really needs a chance. He can still be a very effective player with more offence out of him if given proper linemates.
Bennett is a bust.

He is a polarizing player, without question. However, every single playoff game he is in makes people adore him. He goes balls to the wall. Whistles get put away a bit more, and he ends up taking less penalties. The amount of penalties he takes is a bit overblown IMO - players that play physical are just going to get those called on them now and then. Has he taken a few bad penalties? Absolutely he has, but not at the rate that people assume.

I directly quoted you here in particular because I was perusing this thread to see what you guys thought, and I see a lot of 'Sam Bennett is not a centre'.

When he came into the league, he definitely didn't play as a centre - Bob Hartley got him alongside Backlund, and he did really well (scored more goals than Monahan's rookie year - future is looking awesome with this kid!) Gulutzan then came along and the Flames suddenly switched to 'win now' mode. Gulutzan was terrible at development, and the Flames had just signed Brouwer. Bennett got stapled to Brouwer. Then he got stapled to Neal. He got stapled to a bunch of players that only McDavid can get them to score.

Bennett has about ZERO confidence right now. Whether you are a Calgary fan who hates him, or a fan that loves him, it is easy to see that he suffers from a lack of confidence. After the playoffs, Treliving, Ward and even Conroy were talking about how good of a centre Bennett is, and how 'next season' he will be the third line centre with decent linemates, and then see where they go. However, as the season neared, the Flames decided to push Lindholm into the C spot, so now the Flames have Monahan, Lindholm and Backlund.

Bennett will displace Backlund in the future, but not for this year, and probably not next. Backlund is a little unheralded, but he is an excellent defensive centre who still produces at a 2nd line clip every season. Struggles out of the gate for some reason every single year, but he eventually settles into being just a completely awesome 2-way centre that takes all the tough minutes and is seeing 65% defensive zone starts.

Lindholm is playing well with Tkachuk, so the Flames now are trying to run 2 scoring lines. He isn't going to displace Lindholm who is also good defensively and offensively. Monahan and Gaudreau - yeah, they aren't going to split those two up.

The organization promised a centre position - they talked it up quite a lot. Bennett really earned it with his play in the playoffs. You really have to hate Bennett after watching that and not think that he can't be an effective centre. He just needs the rope. Flames can't give him that rope right now with the centres ahead of him, and with 2 years of Gaudreau and Tkachuk left on their 'bargain' contracts, and 3 with Monahan - it makes it tough to break him into the lineup at centre without him actually pushing anyone out - and he needs a lot of rope to do so. Not going to happen.

However, he is MORE effective as a centre than a forward. He seems to see the ice better, and he is decent defensively as well. Gets into the coach's doghouse sometimes for taking offensive zone penalties because he is over-aggressive, but there have also been absolutely silly calls against him (IIRC, one player actually dodged to avoid Bennett's hit, so Bennett didn't even touch him, but lost his footing and Bennett got a tripping call in the offensive zone anyway - like really???). Stuff like that happens, but he definitely DOES take the occasional offensive zone penalty sometimes which is annoying.

Oh, and he is sneaky tough. He can hang with guys who are bigger and stronger than him. He rocked Nurse last season with a big open-ice hit, and of course Nurse gets all angry and tries to fight Bennett, refs didn't break it up, so Bennett fought Nurse, and surprisingly, didn't look out of place. The Bennett-Trouba fight was one to look up.

Either way, here is last season's highlight package = regular season + playoffs. He is polarizing - some people feel he is what he is, some people feel that he can be a much better producer (though most do not think he can put up 1st line numbers - I personally think he can put up very respectable middle 6 numbers, and everything else that comes with that makes him more valuable IMO). I know that the Flames don't want to trade him, and I doubt that he does get traded. He apparently didn't request a trade - the team did not receive a trade request, but Bennett hasn't been happy with his deployment to date. Still, I almost want to see him traded just to see how he develops (or not) somewhere else.




The Flames have had zero problem playing kids who deserved it, and they've given Bennett more unearned chances than amy of them.

Tkachuk
Monahan
Lindholm
Gaudreau
Anderson
Mangapane
Dube
Hanifin

Had no issues earning their way at younger ages than Bennett despite not getting gifted the opportunities he was.
 
Should the Leafs make an offer? Does he make sense as a 3rd line center (assuming money in/money out is worked out)? What should the offer look like?
big no for me

his usage has fallen every year since his rookie season on a team that is best described as middle of the pack, not a good look
 
The Habs will be the team to beat in the all-Canadian division. Can't see any outstanding weaknesses.

Funny how after 10 games some teams with the same record are viewed by the posters here as.... needing lots of work. Yet the habs are viewed as perfect even tho they have ran up their stats against the nucks who are a dumpster fire sitting on top of a mountain ablaze.
 
Darren Ferris is such a coward. Went to the media instead of the GMs for both of his clients trade requests.

the upside of all this is that Eric Francis is emerging as the western answer to Daren "figjam" Dreger

all kidding aside though, Darren Ferris is a snake
 
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Hey guys, just dropping in to share a video I uploaded today on this topic of Sam Bennett potentially making his way to the Leafs.

Hope you enjoy, cheers!
 
Ray Ferraro on Overdrive just spent 5 mins talking about Bennett. They said hes a top 9 winger. Not a center.

So does he make sense over Nylander, Marner, Hyman, Mikheyev, Simmonds, Thornton at $2.55M with a contract that is up at the end of the season in which he is looking for a raise?

not a huge Ferraro fan but he landed this one straight up

I dont think hes played centre consistently since he was a teenager. At this point safe bet is he's a winger for the rest if his pro career

Hes also not exactly a spring chicken either. Hes basically very close to being as good as he will ever be at the NHL level

this +1

There is no chance Calgary take Kerfoot for Bennett. Calgary don't move a player like Bennett until they get an offer they can't refuse. I wouldn't either.

I hope Mr Treliving isn't holding his breath, because he'd soon find himself to be the blue guy in the corner panicking for air:nod:
 
Hey guys, just dropping in to share a video I uploaded today on this topic of Sam Bennett potentially making his way to the Leafs.

Hope you enjoy, cheers!


The Leafs couldn't give up a great deal. He'd be a rental for them. They can't afford to sign him if he works out, and if he doesn't, he won't be worth near what he could get in arbitration.
 
Engvall & Lehtonen
For
Bennett (25-50% Ret)

hometown kid that would play it it’s his heart on his sleeve in the blue & white. We’ll need his grit against the Habs in the playoffs.

Jimmy Vesey
For
Zack MacEwen

Bennett - Matthews - Marner
Hyman - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Thornton - Mikheyev
Boyd - MacEwen/Spezza - Simmonds
 
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Barabanov for Bennett (50% retained)

Engvall & Lehtonen
For
Bennett (25-50% Ret)

hometown kid that would play it it’s his heart on his sleeve in the blue & white. We’ll need his grit against the Habs in the playoffs.

Jimmy Vesey
For
Zack MacEwen

Bennett - Matthews - Marner
Hyman - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Thornton - Mikheyev
Boyd - MacEwen/Spezza - Simmonds

We aren't signing KHL guys, and turning around and trading them right away. That doesn't make any sense, or bode well for our ability to sign guys in the future.

Calgary would hang up the phone on Barabanov offer.
 
We aren't signing KHL guys, and turning around and trading them right away. That doesn't make any sense, or bode well for our ability to sign guys in the future.

Calgary would hang up the phone on Barabanov offer.

Better to trade barabanov then inevitably bench him because he obviously doesn't deserve to play for us.

The Flames could use him, though.

But I probably wouldn't do the deal anywwys cuz $1.25m is too much for Bennett. Just some wasted capspace for no benefit.
 
Kerfoot for Bennett at 50% retention. Gives the Leafs 2 million in wiggle room for a bigger move at the trade deadline.

Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Bennett - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Thornton - Mikheyev
Engvall/Vesey/Anderson - Spezza/Engvall/Boyd - Simmonds
 
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#1: Leafs - Flames
Alexander Kerfoot for Sam Bennett @ 50% Ret

#2: Leafs - Canucks
Jimmy Vesey for Zack MacEwen
- Canucks get a guy who can consistently play in their top 6 and potentially break out
- Leafs get a 4C option who can split games with Spezza depending on the matchup

#3: Leafs - Rangers
Pierre Engvall & Mikko Lehtonen for Brendan Lemieux
- Lemieux is a guy i've wanted for a long time (I still see top 9 upside), Leafs get a role player who can play the game
- Pierre Engvall can make the Rangers bottom 6 at C or Wing, can kill penalties, etc.
- Lehtonen wont get a shot with the Leafs due to Dermott's good start, and he's not better than Sandin imo. He signed in a big market to play on the PP, he can play for another big market in the Rangers and contribute offensively now that DeAngelo is done.
 
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#1: Leafs - Flames
Alexander Kerfoot for Sam Bennett @ 50% Ret

#2: Leafs - Canucks
Jimmy Vesey for Zack MacEwen
- Canucks get a guy who can consistently play in their top 6 and potentially break out
- Leafs get a 4C option who can split games with Spezza depending on the matchup

#3: Leafs - Rangers
Pierre Engvall & Mikko Lehtonen for Brendan Lemieux
- Lemieux is a guy i've wanted for a long time (I still see top 9 upside), Leafs get a role player who can play the game
- Pierre Engvall can make the Rangers bottom 6 at C or Wing, can kill penalties, etc.
- Lehtonen wont get a shot with the Leafs due to Dermott's good start, and he's not better than Sandin imo. He signed in a big market to play on the PP, he can play for another big market in the Rangers and contribute offensively now that DeAngelo is done.
Bennett can't even score 30 points a season and you want to put him on the first line? Why would Calgary even do that trade? They would probably be better off trading him to Vancouver for Virtanen one for one instead of taking back a $3.5m contract and retain salary. The other two trades just seem like other teams making trades for the sake of making trades. The Rangers love Lemieux, I don't see them trading him for an unproven khl defenceman to replace DeAngelo
 
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#1: Leafs - Flames
Alexander Kerfoot for Sam Bennett @ 50% Ret

#2: Leafs - Canucks
Jimmy Vesey for Zack MacEwen
- Canucks get a guy who can consistently play in their top 6 and potentially break out
- Leafs get a 4C option who can split games with Spezza depending on the matchup

#3: Leafs - Rangers
Pierre Engvall & Mikko Lehtonen for Brendan Lemieux
- Lemieux is a guy i've wanted for a long time (I still see top 9 upside), Leafs get a role player who can play the game
- Pierre Engvall can make the Rangers bottom 6 at C or Wing, can kill penalties, etc.
- Lehtonen wont get a shot with the Leafs due to Dermott's good start, and he's not better than Sandin imo. He signed in a big market to play on the PP, he can play for another big market in the Rangers and contribute offensively now that DeAngelo is done.

Every single one of those trades is a downgrade.
 
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