Salary Cap: Salary Cap Summer | The Hunt for 3C | Updated cap info in Post #1

[Giskard]

Send Shero his mistake in DP and give him Kuhn for Henrique. Let Shero deal with his own mistake.

Well he already gave us a 3rd for Bennett ...

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

Please trade for Radek Faksa.

This idea is growing on me. Does Dallas now have too many Cs with Hanzel?

 

[Ogrezilla]

I believe he is a bit slower than Bonino, yes. And he's about 1/3 as tough. I liked JJ during his first stint here when a lot of people hated him, and watched him as much as my cable plan allowed last year. And he's really not what he used to be.

He may be a useful player in a very specific situation, but I don't see any reason to try to create that situation for him here, unless he was Mario's cousin or brother-in-law.

because he's cheap, he's really good at faceoffs, and he has talent. Those are three traits we should be looking for in a 4C. Doesn't make him the best option, but imo it makes him a better option than Rowney.

edit: actually, I don't know if he'll be cheap. But I wouldn't sign him if he's not.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Henrique is definitely an intriguing idea. Does anyone know if Mojo is expected to be a center for them?

Henrique makes 4 mil and could certainly be used in a top 6 role. I just wonder if NJ would rather trade Zajac

Yeah he's a gamer that can play in all situations, and on a good contract. And sure he'd be a great 3C, but why would NJ trade him to a division rival (the GMs former team coming off two Cup wins no less), when he is arguably their best C? Unless Shero is still working for us in secret, I can't conceive of a way that happens.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Send Shero his mistake in DP and give him Kuhn for Henrique. Let Shero deal with his own mistake.

man that would be glorious

Am I the only one that remember that J.Staal didn't want to be a 3C on this team?

but things can change. For one, he's playing just as much of a shutdown role in Carolina as he did here. So that didn't really change. But also, he'd have a chance to play with Kessel here, which he didn't have last time he was here. I still don't think it's at all a realistic option, but I don't think it's because he would be against it.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Yeah he's a gamer that can play in all situations, and on a good contract. And sure he'd be a great 3C, but why would NJ trade him to a division rival (the GMs former team coming off two Cup wins no less), when he is arguably their best C? Unless Shero is still working for us in secret, I can't conceive of a way that happens.

because they have one more C than they need, they really need a D man, and they are in a position where they really need to just worry about themselves. They aren't good enough right now to care how good we are.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Please trade for Radek Faksa.

I agree it seems to make sense on paper, but I don't see Dallas doing anything to help us fill a need (especially if that person becomes a long term solution) — they're clearly in Cup Run mode — but you never know.

 

[Shady Machine]

Please trade for Radek Faksa.

Yes please. I look at the Stars roster though and have no idea what they need. A long term young top 4 dman would be a nice get for them, but they can't really add salary after picking up Methot. I'd flip any of our prospects other than Sprong for him.

 

[Peat]

Whether we bring back Horny or not should have no bearing on whether we bring back Cole or not. We can fit him on a fair hit and shouldn't on an overpayment.

I've seen this asked a few times and I just don't see any way a team moves him back to center.

I think NJD are going to have three good centres sans Henrique without putting MoJo there.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I agree it seems to make sense on paper, but I don't see Dallas doing anything to help us fill a need  they're clearly in Cup Run mode  but you never know.

I think you are really overstating how much GM's care about the other team getting better in a trade. Especially a team in the other conference. Sure, the Caps or Jackets would be considering it. But the Devils? I doubt they care. They just want to make the playoffs. We aren't going to factor in to whether they do that or not. The Stars? Yeah, if they get knocked out of the playoffs because a guy they traded us beat them, that means the trade helped them make the finals. They are okay with that trade.

 

[Darth Vitale]

because they have one more C than they need, they really need a D man, and they are in a position where they really need to just worry about themselves. They aren't good enough right now to care how good we are.

Yeah but he's still their best C and young and on a good contract. He's not hurting their ability to get things done, really. I could see it if he were making 5.5-6M maybe but 4M? Nah. You don't trade guys like that unless you're in tank / rebuild mode or something. Even there it would be iffy.

IMO if they were in that mode they'd trade one of their other, lesser C for Pouliot or whoever SHero was interested in, not Henrique and probably not Zajac either. [Although given his age Zajac would be more likely.]

 

[Jacob]

Faksa does nothing for me.

 

[Pick87your71Poison]

I think you are really overstating how much GM's care about the other team getting better in a trade. Especially a team in the other conference.

Yeah... I mean if that was the case no contenders would ever make a trade because the other team is obviously going to be requesting pieces that fill their needs to improve their team. Rivals and teams in the division and teams you expect to see regularly in the playoffs like the Pens/Caps is one thing, but across conferences it's just not an issue. The odds of even playing that team in the playoffs is nowhere large enough to pass up on improving your own team vs the other 29 teams to put too much emphasis on that.

 

[Shady Machine]

because they have one more C than they need, they really need a D man, and they are in a position where they really need to just worry about themselves. They aren't good enough right now to care how good we are.

Do they need a Dman?

Methot-Klingberg
Hamhuis-Johns
Lindell-Nemeth-Pateryn-Oleksiak

Long term they could use another top 4 dman, but this year they look covered. Not a high end defense or anything, but we couldn't give them that high end guy anyway.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Whether we bring back Horny or not should have no bearing on whether we bring back Cole or not. We can fit him on a fair hit and shouldn't on an overpayment.

Unless we shed cap elsewhere we will not be able to fit both IMO. I would not be happy with the term I expect Horny wants anyway.

 

[Shady Machine]

Faksa does nothing for me.

A 23 year old center that's 6'3 210 and put up 33 points in his first full season does nothing for you?

 

[AjaxTelamon]

because he's cheap, he's really good at faceoffs, and he has talent. Those are three traits we should be looking for in a 4C. Doesn't make him the best option, but imo it makes him a better option than Rowney.

edit: actually, I don't know if he'll be cheap. But I wouldn't sign him if he's not.

My suspicion is he will not come cheap. I imagine he may want 2x2 or something, and anything over a league minimum that we could bury would be too much for me. If he we signed him for league minimum as a placeholder, I guess I could stomach it. But everyone would hate him within a month.

I mean, to quantify it, JJ was deployed as primarily a D zone guy last year (35 D vs 31 O), but his GA was awful, almost 2.7, GF% was under 40%, his production was mediocre despite some PP time, he didn't kill penalties hardly at all, when he did was out there for the last 30 seconds of the PK, he made everyone he played with worse, etc etc.

And when you watched him, it was a wonder he managed to put up those stats. I don't care about some hero chart, he just isn't good any more.

If we're doing that, just bring back Fehr, who had much better underlying numbers.

 

[Pick87your71Poison]

Faksa does nothing for me.

Really? Why is that? I'll admit I don't watch the Stars a ton, but I've grown to think he would be a really solid option for what we want out of the 3C in terms of balance. 30+ pts, reguler PKer, and production came despite a nearly 40/60 ozone/dzone start %. Plus, he is only 23 and cost-controlled for a few years. Seems like an ideal guy to give us the balance and youth and low $ for our bottom 6.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Yeah but he's still their best C and young and on a good contract. They'd trade one of their other, lesser C, not Henrique and probably not Zajac either.

Zacha is 7 years younger, they just signed Boyle, and obviously it won't be Hischier. Henrique is the only one they could get the kind of D they need for, and they have the guys to fill their center spots effectively without him.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Re GMs caring about resolving a need for us... I see where you guys are coming from but that's more an argument for Dallas trading to us than NJ, being in the other conference. And Faksa not as sure a thing as Henrique by any means ... so many a little pessimistic there on our chances. Henrique? I stand by it. NJ has absolutley no reason to trade that guy. If they have too many C, you don't trade the best one on a good contract, you trade one of the middling types or the old guy if you have to.

 

[BustaKapanen]

Do they need a Dman?

Methot-Klingberg
Hamhuis-Johns
Lindell-Nemeth-Pateryn-Oleksiak

Long term they could use another top 4 dman, but this year they look covered. Not a high end defense or anything, but we couldn't give them that high end guy anyway.

They have 2014 first round pick Julius honka in the pipeline. They really don't need a d at all

 

[Ogrezilla]

Do they need a Dman?

Methot-Klingberg
Hamhuis-Johns
Lindell-Nemeth-Pateryn-Oleksiak

Long term they could use another top 4 dman, but this year they look covered. Not a high end defense or anything, but we couldn't give them that high end guy anyway.

I was just really confused until I realized you listed Dallas' D. I'm talking about Jersey.

 

[Peat]

Unless we shed cap elsewhere we will not be able to fit both IMO. I would not be happy with the term I expect Horny wants anyway.

Fair point.

I think what I mean is I'm expecting not to want Cole back at his new cap hit regardless of what happens to Horny.

 

[BustaKapanen]

I was just really confused until I realized you listed Dallas' D. I'm talking about Jersey.

Looks like I made same mistake, I apologize.

 

[Ogrezilla]

My suspicion is he will not come cheap. I imagine he may want 2x2 or something, and anything over a league minimum that we could bury would be too much for me. If he we signed him for league minimum as a placeholder, I guess I could stomach it. But everyone would hate him within a month.

I mean, to quantify it, JJ was deployed as primarily a D zone guy last year (35 D vs 31 O), but his GA was awful, almost 2.7, GF% was under 40%, his production was mediocre despite some PP time, he didn't kill penalties hardly at all, when he did was out there for the last 30 seconds of the PK, he made everyone he played with worse, etc etc.

And when you watched him, it was a wonder he managed to put up those stats. I don't care about some hero chart, he just isn't good any more.

If we're doing that, just bring back Fehr, who had much better underlying numbers.

fair enough. I haven't watched him in a long time.