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[Gurglesons]

And now Guentzel is heading for superstardom.

If anyone wants to argue for Sprong to start the season in Pittsburgh, they should NOT use Guentzel as part of said argument.

If the Pens want to try to see if lightning strikes twice with Sprong, I am all for it.

We will never know whether Guentzel was NHL-ready when camps broke last year. What we do know is he became even better than we expected, even more quickly.

If they try the same approach with Sprong...

But we were weak on the left side last year.

If healthy Horny, Rust, Kessel and Sheary should all be our RWs.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why should both Sheary and Rust be on RW? I feel like suggesting that is just trying to argue against bring in Reaves. There isn't a situation where all 4 of those guys should be on RW.

If you want to look at it like that, then Sheary, Guentzel, Hagelin and Wilson should be your LWers and Hornqvist, Kessel, Rust and Reaves should be your RWers. So I don't really see an issue here. You can easily run with:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust/Hornqvist
Hagelin/Wilson-Malkin-Kessel
Sheary-3C-Hornqvist/Rust
Wilson/Hagelin-Rowney-Reaves

 

[Gurglesons]

Hey got to be ready in case we meet the Flyers although I wouldn't bet on it

Flyers - Columbus - Washington - Chicago

3rd cup

 

[Saints11]

Give each 82 games, Archy would outscore him and so would Kuhn and Sprong. Which is why i don't get this trade.

Reaves value, or lack of it, was never designed to be measured by point totals. He was not brought here to be a point producing top 6.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Flyers - Columbus - Washington - Chicago

3rd cup

Washington can't get past the 2nd

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Judging Reaves on his point totals is sort of like judging Dumoulin on his point totals, then coming to the conclusion that a guy like Cody Franson is a better defenseman and better fit next to Letang than Dumoulin because he scores more points.

 

[Saints11]

Why should both Sheary and Rust be on RW? I feel like suggesting that is just trying to argue against bring in Reaves. There isn't a situation where all 4 of those guys should be on RW.

If you want to look at it like that, then Sheary, Guentzel, Hagelin and Wilson should be your LWers and Hornqvist, Kessel, Rust and Reaves should be your RWers. So I don't really see an issue here. You can easily run with:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust/Hornqvist
Hagelin/Wilson-Malkin-Kessel
Sheary-3C-Hornqvist/Rust
Wilson/Hagelin-Rowney-Reaves

Did not Rust, other than when he was with Sid, play mostly LW; despite the fact he is listed as a RW?

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Guentzel-Crosby-Sheary
Rust-Malkin-Kessel


If we don't start the season with this as the top 4, I'll be surprised.

 

[PensandCaps]

Why should both Sheary and Rust be on RW? I feel like suggesting that is just trying to argue against bring in Reaves. There isn't a situation where all 4 of those guys should be on RW.

If you want to look at it like that, then Sheary, Guentzel, Hagelin and Wilson should be your LWers and Hornqvist, Kessel, Rust and Reaves should be your RWers. So I don't really see an issue here. You can easily run with:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust/Hornqvist
Hagelin/Wilson-Malkin-Kessel
Sheary-3C-Hornqvist/Rust
Wilson/Hagelin-Rowney-Reaves

Wilson goes to RW.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Guentzel-Crosby-Sheary
Rust-Malkin-Kessel


If we don't start the season with this as the top 4, I'll be surprised.

Unless we sign Zaripov or Sprong makes the team.

 

[Gurglesons]

Washington can't get past the 2nd

Wild card versus Ottawa and Montreal leads them to the ECF.

 

[SCPens]

Yeah that's just not true

Nor is it true that Archy can be called a better player than TK at this point in his career....but someone around here did! Now....who....was....that..............???

 

[Peat]

Judging Reaves on his point totals is sort of like judging Dumoulin on his point totals, then coming to the conclusion that a guy like Cody Franson is a better defenseman and better fit next to Letang than Dumoulin because he scores more points.

A little, yeah.

Maybe this is a cunning plan to make us think kinder of the 3C argument. Its certainly working on me.

Although, really, come on, who cares, its minor differences on the 4th line and a bunch of maybes on how it effects the roster. I like an argument as much as the next person but this one has more split hairs than a hippie.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Did not Rust, other than when he was with Sid, play mostly LW; despite the fact he is listed as a RW?

I think he played a lot at both LW and RW. He can play either wing just as well as the other.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Reaves was brought in to protect our stars and take a regular shift while doing so. Comparing him to Archibald is completely pointless, and I like Archibald.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Wild card versus Ottawa and Montreal leads them to the ECF.

Ottawa can beat Washington imo.

 

[Gurglesons]

Did not Rust, other than when he was with Sid, play mostly LW; despite the fact he is listed as a RW?

No. He has played with Kuni - Malkin and Guentzel - Bonino

That isn't to say he isn't capable of LW play, but he has produced more when he plays RW from what I remember.

 

[Shockmaster]

Wild card versus Ottawa and Montreal leads them to the ECF.

The Caps would still find a way to lose in the 2nd round.

 

[SCPens]

I thought Sundqvist was garbage but he's got as much value as Reaves.

Well if you add dropping down 20 spots in the draft to Sundqvist.....then you might be in the ballpark. But you didn't. So you're not.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Nor is it true that Archy can be called a better player than TK at this point in his career....but someone around here did! Now....who....was....that..............???

But TK is collecting his retirement check. Maybe he's better at warming the couch?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Unless we sign Zaripov or Sprong makes the team.

If Zaripov signs with the Penguins, I think the Penguins will have to trade a winger. Like they're already close to being forced to trade a winger, if not there yet already. Adding another winger basically ensures you have to trade one of Hagelin or Wilson, if not both.

Although if the Penguins sign Zaripov and he's good, that probably means Sprong spends all of this year in the AHL.

 

[billybudd]

Judging Reaves on his point totals is sort of like judging Dumoulin on his point totals, then coming to the conclusion that a guy like Cody Franson is a better defenseman and better fit next to Letang than Dumoulin because he scores more points.

A lot of analytics-only people do do that and it drives me bonkers.

 

[SCPens]

Again. Because who comes out the lineup for Sprong if he goes off and clicks with Malkin? It ain't gonna be Kessel.....it's gonna be Reaves. So the team may not wanna do that and make their trade look bad.

What has this current management group done to support your hypothesis? Look at how many young players have contributed to the past 2 Cups. It appears to me that when an opportunity is there for one of the young guys to step into the lineup the proper moves have been made to accommodate such a move. But oh, look over there.....the sky is falling!!

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

A lot of analytics-only people do do that and it drives me bonkers.

Yeah, having discussions with those folks is migraine inducing. It's one thing to evaluate players using all tools available, including analytics. It's another when some of these HF posters use nothing but analytics.

It's amazing how 31 teams, all of which seem to have their own analytics staff, have left a guy like Franson on the free agent list this long. HF would have you believe he's a Norris trophy darkhorse just waiting to be scooped up.

 

[SCPens]

And let me ask you what are those strengths. Because if they're so apparent there wouldn't even be a discussion. You want me to show you a stat with hits per minute or?

......you can just go away. Is that an option too??