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[Peat]

On a team that was basically hoping that warm bodies could get in and not **** up too bad while our generational talents somehow beat the odds. Again, context is key here. Reaves and Archibald were being asked to play very different roles for teams that are incredibly different and that is reflected in their stats. Nothing more, nothing less.

Archibald is fine. He's being mad overrated here because people don't like Reaves, which is only doing a huge disservice to Archibald-- he's not the kind of player Reaves is nor is he the next coming of Jari Kurri. Not in a good or a bad way. But they're literally polar opposite types of players and both have their merits in a bottom 6.

Not sure how true this is. They're both good skaters with a good forecheck and will hit as aggressively as they can everytime the opportunity arises and not a huge lot more last I checked. Archibald is faster and Reaves is stronger. What am I missing here?

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Aaaaaaaactually I'm talking about stats other than goals, assists and points. The Pens have 5 Archibalds....but only 1 Reaves. But laugh away Bobby, it's all good...

We have 10 Reaves you just don't see them because they're in the AHL.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I really hope Athanasiou signs soon so we can move back to *****ing about Pouliot for Sheahan being the Penguins solution to be the 3C

Reaves is a nothing piece. Archibald is a nothing piece. To have a serious opinion on the trade makes no sense to me. It's way too unimportant to matter.

 

[SCPens]

Heard Reaves is gonna get 40. He'll even hit the goalie if he has to.

Bet you a quarter Reaves scores more goals than Archy this season...

 

[PensandCaps]

23 games means next to nothing without any context. The assumption that those 23 games would see a continuation of the same scoring pace is a logical fallacy. It's too small a sample size to make that judgement.

Kuhn could go a pointless in those 23 games and still have more points. Throw in being better away from the puck, PKing and its even more in Kuhns favor as to whos a better player. But I see we will never agree. Even if Reaves was better, the trade would still be useless. We have too many RWs in the first place.

 

[Saints11]

Yawn. Every team does that no matter how good or bad the player is that got traded away.

Only if it is true. I'll be waiting on the praise to be lavished on the extra RW's jettisoned by the Pens in the next week or two.

 

[madinsomniac]

Bet you a quarter Reaves scores more goals than Archy this season...

Per minute of ice time?

 

[Fordy]

I really hope Athanasiou signs soon so we can move back to *****ing about Pouliot for Sheahan being the Penguins solution to be the 3C

Reaves is a nothing piece. Archibald is a nothing piece. To have a serious opinion on the trade makes no sense to me. It's way too unimportant to matter.

this is on point. this team is in a great position with guys impressing in camp and ppl are freaking out about the 4th line rw being reaves in the regular season

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Bet you a quarter Reaves scores more goals than Archy this season...

Sure that could happen... If Reaves plays 82 games and Archibald 20.

 

[PensandCaps]

Bet you a quarter Reaves scores more goals than Archy this season...

Give each 82 games, Archy would outscore him and so would Kuhn and Sprong. Which is why i don't get this trade.

 

[SCPens]

Doesn't matter because Archibald is better than Kennedy anyway. I guess Tanner Glass was your favorite player

Are you Archy's long lost father or something? Hey I like Archibald as much as the next person around here but TK played 527 games in the NHL. Me thinks your statement is a little premature....but hey, it's a free country I guess.

 

[SCPens]

we have 10 reaves you just don't see them because they're in the ahl.

Exactly!

 

[SCPens]

Sure that could happen... If Reaves plays 82 games and Archibald 20.

Once again.....Exactly!!

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Are you Archy's long lost father or something? Hey I like Archibald as much as the next person around here but TK played 527 games in the NHL. Me thinks your statement is a little premature....but hey, it's a free country I guess.

The game is evolving of course he's better. That's why Kennedy isn't in the NHL anymore and Archibald is. Kind of simple really.

 

[PensandCaps]

Only if it is true. I'll be waiting on the praise to be lavished on the extra RW's jettisoned by the Pens in the next week or two.

Well. That settles it. Reaves is better because his teamates like him and said nice things about him who needs stats when you have cliche interview answers by teamates

 

[SCPens]

The game is evolving of course he's better. That's why Kennedy isn't in the NHL anymore and Archibald is. Kind of simple really.

Speaking of simple.....

 

[Gurglesons]

this is on point. this team is in a great position with guys impressing in camp and ppl are freaking out about the 4th line rw being reaves in the regular season

Nobody is freaking out?

We are just saying we had depth at RW before the move and Reaves could potentially block a player like Sprong getting a chance or cause us to lose a kid with potential like Archibald.

I don't think there is a general distaste of Reaves. Physical, energy player that can fight.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Well. That settles it. Reaves is better because his teamates like him and said nice things about him who needs stats when you have cliche interview answers by teamates

Except your statistical analysis is : "Look! I have numbers out of context. Without ANY context. Reaves is a -3 and Archibald is 908234. And Kuhnhackl is a 23948908504983024. So, he's better. The bestest."

So, if you want to use stats to bear out what you're saying, great. But at least show your work, if you're going to try to go that route.

 

[SCPens]

Kuhn could go a pointless in those 23 games and still have more points. Throw in being better away from the puck, PKing and its even more in Kuhns favor as to whos a better player. But I see we will never agree. Even if Reaves was better, the trade would still be useless. We have too many RWs in the first place.

You.......FENCE........Me and Jimmy

 

[HandshakeLine]

Nobody is freaking out?

We are just saying we had depth at RW before the move and Reaves could potentially block a player like Sprong getting a chance or cause us to lose a kid with potential like Archibald.

If Reaves is blocking Sprong's chance, Sprong is a ****ing bust.

Sprong should be top 6 or WB/S. The bottom 6 here would be completely detrimental to his development.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Speaking of simple.....

It is simple. Also Reaves had the worst metrics on the Blues. But he's got enjoyable hits.

 

[PensandCaps]

Nobody is freaking out?

We are just saying we had depth at RW before the move and Reaves could potentially block a player like Sprong getting a chance.

Yep. Where does Reaves fit?

G-Sid-Hornqvist
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Sheary-xxx-Sprong
Hags-xxx-Wilson

So if Sprong breaks out, you're sitting Reaves anyway and you just wasted assets for a guy in the press box. Which is why they probably won't give Sprong a chance. Hell if Sprong breaks out, archy and Kuhn along with Reaves are redundant anyway.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Reaves is blocking Sprong's chance, Sprong is a ****ing bust.

Exactly. Sprong is completely irrelevant in this discussion.

Something else I don't understand here, are people forgetting the Penguins also traded out Sundqvist in this deal, who had to be kept in the NHL due to his waiver status? People are saying bringing in Reaves meant that Archibald may be lost to waivers, but in reality, Archibald might be lost to waivers with or without that trade.

Yep. Where does Reaves fit?

G-Sid-Hornqvist
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Sheary-xxx-Sprong
Hags-xxx-Wilson

So if Sprong breaks out, you're sitting Reaves anyway and you just wasted assets for a guy in the press box. Which is why they probably won't give Sprong a chance. Hell if Sprong breaks out, archy and Kuhn along with Reaves are redundant anyway.

What assets did you waste here? 20 picks in a mediocre draft and a 4C potential center prospect?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Do define metrics, por favor.

Are we talking square footage? Cost-per-click?

 

[Gurglesons]

If Reaves is blocking Sprong's chance, Sprong is a ****ing bust.

Sprong should be top 6 or WB/S. The bottom 6 here would be completely detrimental to his development.

Sheary - Kessel - Hornqvist - Reaves.

Are you playing Sprong above any of those three?

If you move Sheary to LW, Rust is likely a bottom six RW so without injuries you likely icing Sprong in WBS regardless of performance or scratching Reaves.