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[Riptide]

I’d probably trade Sprong for Skinner. Sprong will never be a guy who keeps your team from being bad when Sid and Geno leave, so the age difference isn’t super relevant to me. Meanwhile Skinner is already a guy who almost scored 40 with Carolina. There’s an argument to be made that Sprong could be a better PP weapon though.

No, probably not. But he will be dirt cheap for the next 2 years at minimum. And depending on how he does and how much PP time he gets, odds are he will still be cheap/affordable on his 3rd contract. And that along with his skills/shot/potential is really appealing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

They basically need to trade him from what I understand, so it’s less about what they need and more about getting the best value they can. Also he has a NMC so.. Carolina is gonna need to take what they can get. I’d rather deal Jarry too, trust me. Maybe that works, but I doubt it.

I feel like they'd value Jarry a lot higher because they actually have a need for Jarry. Just getting the "most valuable player" is a myth, value is based on what GMs are offering.

 

[orby]

Carlson re-signed. 8 years 8 mil aav per McKenzie.

 

[Turin]

Carlson re-signed. 8 years 8 mil aav per McKenzie.

Thanks Colorado

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

True, but a lineup with Skinner replacing Sheary could be insane even without any huge value ELCs. JR would have to get creative with the Cap after the next year, but we already know Phil and Letang will be available.

That's true. I just really hate to part with Sprong unless we have to, especially with Kessel's situation being sort of up in the air.

It'd be just about a last resort...I'd rather move Jarry, a 1st, etc.

Here's the issue with trading Sprong for Skinner: is Carolina even going to want Sprong in exchange for Skinner? They drafted Svechnikov 2 days ago, who's a goal scoring RW prospect. They also already have Aho and Teravainen as young 60+ point players in the NHL. They also have Zykov (33 goals in the AHL last year) and Foegele (28 Goals in the AHL last year), both of who are 22 year old NHL ready wingers. Saarela also had 25 goals in the AHL last year at age 21, although I think he's a center.

I really don't see why Sprong would make sense for them, he doesn't fill an organizational need at all.

This I agree with. Carolina's flush with young forward prospects looking to establish themselves next year (Svech, Necas, Zykov) and Sprong's no longer waiver eligible.

 

[Turin]

No, probably not. But he will be dirt cheap for the next 2 years at minimum. And depending on how he does and how much PP time he gets, odds are he will still be cheap/affordable on his 3rd contract. And that along with his skills/shot/potential is really appealing.

Yes, and that might be important.. or not.. depending on many other variables. I’d like to keep him if possible for sure, but Skinner would fit really, really well on this team so I couldn’t complain.

 

[Ryder71]

Carlson re-signed. 8 years 8 mil aav per McKenzie.

If we are entertaining any notion of trading Letang, that's one less big time defensemen in which to choose from. In other words Letang's value just went up. In theory anyhow.

 

[Riptide]

Carlson re-signed. 8 years 8 mil aav per McKenzie.

18.85m on Carlson, Niskanen and Orlov. And people have been bitching about how much we're spending on our blueline, where our top 3 cost 16.85m.

 

[Andy99]

Just getting the impression JR doesn’t want to move Jarry, which would mean paying a vet goaltender....I would move him

People also assume Skinner would love to come here...but maybe he doesn’t want to sign long term somewhere yet...maybe he wants to go flank Tarasenko and rack up as many points as he can so he can make as much money as possible in FA...he’s going to get a lot less points here with all our other skill...

If all JR can do is get rid of Sheary and Hunwick’s contracts and free up some money to sign a depth wing and D in FA, it will be a successful summer...and don’t count on that happening either

 

[Clare2904]

8m

 

[Gurglesons]

18.85m on Carlson, Niskanen and Orlov. And people have been *****ing about how much we're spending on our blueline, where our top 3 cost 16.85m.

Orlov and Niskanen are better than anyone outside of Letang when he is on.

 

[Turin]

Thing with Jarry is that I’m pretty confident he will never supplant Murray, so if he’s able to get you real value now already I don’t see why not. He’s also at an age where he’s gonna need to start getting more opportunities if he’s gonna be a starter. I’m also not sure if he’s even a really good backup at this point.. so..

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If JR did pull off something like Sheary plus Jarry/a 1st for Skinner, is there any way that both Kessel and Sprong can co-exist in the line-up?

I dunno. Doesn't look like it.

 

[House of tpo]

Thanks Colorado

ill second that

 

[Empoleon8771]

If JR did pull off something like Sheary plus Jarry/a 1st for Skinner, is there any way that both Kessel and Sprong can co-exist in the line-up?

I dunno. Doesn't look like it.

Rust, Jarry and a 1st for Skinner with salary retained, Sheary for a defenseman. Profit.

Guentzel-Crosby-Sprong
Skinner-Malkin-Hornqvist
Hagelin-Brassard-Kessel

Trade Kessel next off-season to get cap for re-signing Guentzel and Skinner. Although I'd be fine with trading Sprong for an equal RHD prospect if they get Skinner.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Rust, Jarry and a 1st for Skinner with salary retained, Sheary for a defenseman. Profit.

Guentzel-Crosby-Sprong
Skinner-Malkin-Hornqvist
Hagelin-Brassard-Kessel

Trade Kessel next off-season to get cap for re-signing Guentzel and Skinner. Although I'd be fine with trading Sprong for an equal RHD prospect if they get Skinner.

Actually that looks...pretty damn good, much as I'd hate to lose Rust.

 

[Turin]

If JR did pull off something like Sheary plus Jarry/a 1st for Skinner, is there any way that both Kessel and Sprong can co-exist in the line-up?

I dunno. Doesn't look like it.

Skinner Hornqvist
Guentzel Kessel
Hagelin Rust
Somebody good defensively Sprong

Should, on paper, be trustworthy enough. But you might be right. Who knows what happens with Rust right now?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Skinner Hornqvist
Guentzel Kessel
Hagelin Rust
Somebody good defensively Sprong

Should, on paper, be trustworthy enough. But you might be right. Who knows what happens with Rust right now?

Sprong on the 4th line is a real hard sell though.

 

[Turin]

Sprong on the 4th line is a real hard sell though.

He can rotate with Rust until he proves himself, because I’m fine with him wherever, I just don’t think he looked very good outside of that game against the Islanders with Crosby so I think penciling him into being an impact top six player is a stretch right now.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He can rotate with Rust until he proves himself, because I’m fine with him wherever, I just don’t think he looked very good outside of that game against the Islanders with Crosby so I think penciling him into being an impact top six player is a stretch right now.

That's reasonable.

 

[Peat]

I understand moving on from Phil, but please, this is just not true.

Skinner has a better ES pace over the last three seasons on a worse team. I'd be curious to hear why its not true that Skinner produces more on his own than Kessel.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yes. He's around a minute twenty seconds TOI average the last 3 seasons with Dallas.

Issue is most of the penalties taken by his team were by him. Hard to PK when you’re in the box.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Skinner has a better ES pace over the last three seasons on a worse team. I'd be curious to hear why its not true that Skinner produces more on his own than Kessel.

If the Pens actually do land him I'm pretty much going to be posting this every GDT.

 

[Peat]

Can we admit that we don’t know if ZAR is a meaningful player? He tipped a handful of pucks into the net playing with Crosby.

Which is why I'm confused for why people are so adamant about him being a better option than Kunitz for the 4th line. Kunitz is only being discussed on here because the other options the Pens have for the 4th line suck for one reason or another.

I don't know how good he is, but if Rutherford's serious about him being on the roster next season, then whatever he is, its there and should be accounted for.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I don't know how good he is, but if Rutherford's serious about him being on the roster next season, then whatever he is, its there and should be accounted for.

I still don't understand the logic for anyone (not you) saying ZAR sucks as a 4th line option. The only time we saw him there was for a handful of games when he was coming back from injury as a rookie. That's not a big enough sample to to determine anything.