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Saginaw Spirit 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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Fischhaber

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Kingpin794 said:
I'd bet good money he's used in a deal for a player.
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Will Bishop was acquired for a 6th and a 12th and is getting more PT than Glavin, which gives a pretty solid idea of his value. If the team thought he was anything, they wouldn't have made that deal.

Other deals for similar or better defensemen recently:

Carson Campbell for 5th and 8th
Duncan Schneider for a 7th.

I get that you are a fan and get attached to players. That's what's fun about this league. The reality is though, that he has little or no value. Every team has a player like Glavin, who can't quite crack a roster, in Junior B. His draft pedigree may get a mid round pick like the others above.
 
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Fischhaber said:
Will Bishop was acquired for a 6th and a 12th and is getting more PT than Glavin, which gives a pretty solid idea of his value. If the team thought he was anything, they wouldn't have made that deal.

Other deals for similar or better defensemen recently:

Carson Campbell for 5th and 8th
Duncan Schneider for a 7th.

I get that you are a fan and get attached to players. That's what's fun about this league. The reality is though, that he has little or no value. Every team has a player like Glavin, who can't quite crack a roster, in Junior B. His draft pedigree may get a mid round pick like the others above.
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You misunderstand how I value him. I don’t think he’s going to be some superstar. But 3.5 years of a decent enough stay at home D ALONG WITH picks WILL get a deal done.
 

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You misunderstand how I value him. I don’t think he’s going to be some superstar. But 3.5 years of a decent enough stay at home D ALONG WITH picks WILL get a deal done.
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Some teams might take him as a throw in if they have a need, but they certainly won't value him at more than about a 5th round pick unless he starts getting ice time and plays like he belongs in the OHL. Other contenders have available 06 players that could land big players on their own. Saginaw is in a uniquely poor position in that regard, after they prioritized picks over players at last year's deadline.
 

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Some teams might take him as a throw in if they have a need, but they certainly won't value him at more than about a 5th round pick unless he starts getting ice time and plays like he belongs in the OHL. Other contenders have available 06 players that could land big players on their own. Saginaw is in a uniquely poor position in that regard, after they prioritized picks over players at last year's deadline.
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hed be worth a 3rd at least in a trade. the league wants bigger defenders and he is one of them.
 
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It is nice to see that we have some decent prospects in the pipeline to take spots when we graduate a bunch of players after this season. Carson Harmer and Graydon Jones are having great seasons so far in GOJHL. Clouthier will get time to develop in junior B this year too. Kaleb Papineau is having a solid season in goal for Chatham. Couple other guys to keep and eye on too: Tyler Vorstadt, Calvin Gardner, Candon O'Neill (LSSU commit but maybe can convince him to come?)
 

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Reposting what I said in the local Facebook group. When Saginaw is moving the puck, they are so fun to watch. They look unstoppable. When they aren’t - we look shorthanded and so disjointed. And there is no middle ground.

Special teams have also been starting to take a hit lately, and that seems to play into how well or not well a game is going. I know that sounds simple enough but this team really appears to me to be this bimodal.

The 2nd period yesterday was hard to watch as a Spirit fan. Still, happy they found a way to win. Hoping they have a great showing tonight and tomorrow.
 

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Flint completes a trade on the weekend proceeding the Christmas break; it does happen.
Flint places the utmost importance of pleasing parents, agents, and union lawyers for school age kids. Geez!
 

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Flint completes a trade on the weekend proceeding the Christmas break; it does happen.
Flint places the utmost importance of pleasing parents, agents, and union lawyers for school age kids. Geez!
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To be fair getting traded out of flint is probably exactly what Gee and his family wanted for Christmas
 
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Owen Beck will be a Sudbury Wolve and the idea that only three teams can outbid you on players is hilarious. Over value your players much?

Virgilio is a player that puts the Soo at the top of the food chain, way more valuable than Aiden Young and that extra year means nothing… plus the OHL database is incorrect and teams have more or less than whats listed ( Saginaw used picks in trades that were never listed

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To be fair getting traded out of flint is probably exactly what Gee and his family wanted for Christmas
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Won’t be the only flint player leaving 👀
 
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Owen Beck will be a Sudbury Wolve and the idea that only three teams can outbid you on players is hilarious. Over value your players much?

Virgilio is a player that puts the Soo at the top of the food chain, way more valuable than Aiden Young and that extra year means nothing… plus the OHL database is incorrect and teams have more or less than whats listed ( Saginaw used picks in trades that were never listed



Won’t be the only flint player leaving 👀
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-Beck could very well be a wolf by the end of the deadline. I agree. I’ve said that myself. I don’t think Saginaw gets into a bidding war with Eastern teams.

-Everyone has players. Everyone has young players. The tie breaker has always been 2nd and 3rds. It’s the currency by which trades are done. A young player might not develop into his potential but stock piled picks can get you known entities when your window opens back up.

-I am not over valuing our players. I know full well that any deal that includes them will need several picks included. That includes Young. Heck with got two quality players from Windsor using older players BECAUSE we gave Windsor 2nd round picks. Someone who claims they can get deals done with less picks is the one that is overvaluing his players.

-I know the database isn’t 100%. There might be a pick here or there that isn’t in the correct spot. But we aren’t suddenly down multiple 2nds and 3rds and other teams suddenly don’t have several picks that aren’t listed either. So I’m terms of picks, there are only so many teams that can out bid us. That still holds true.
 
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-Beck could very well be a wolf by the end of the deadline. I agree. I’ve said that myself. I don’t think Saginaw gets into a bidding war with Eastern teams.

-Everyone has players. Everyone has young players. The tie breaker has always been 2nd and 3rds. It’s the currency by which trades are done. A young player might not develop into his potential but stock piled picks can get you known entities when your window opens back up.

-I am not over valuing our players. I know full well that any deal that includes them will need several picks included. That includes Young. Heck with got two quality players from Windsor using older players BECAUSE we gave Windsor 2nd round picks. Someone who claims they can get deals done with less picks is the one that is overvaluing his players.

-I know the database isn’t 100%. There might be a pick here or there that isn’t in the correct spot. But we aren’t suddenly down multiple 2nds and 3rds and other teams suddenly don’t have several picks that aren’t listed either. So I’m terms of picks, there are only so many teams that can out bid us. That still holds true.
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We will see soon

also you’re assuming that other teams were involved in those Windsor players.. it’s also just as true you simply just over paid. I’m not saying Saginaw did overpay but I also don’t agree with the idea you added two extra picks just to acquire them over other teams/don’t think you outbid anyone .. lol ( hence over spent comment )

I think Saginaw pays a premium as host , teams know this.
 
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We will see soon

also you’re assuming that other teams were involved in those Windsor players.. it’s also just as true you simply just over paid. I’m not saying Saginaw did overpay but I also don’t agree with the idea you added two extra picks just to acquire them over other teams/don’t think you outbid anyone .. lol ( hence over spent comment )

I think Saginaw pays a premium as host , teams know this.
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I don’t think they were out bidding anyone on those two either. Never said they were bidding against anyone on that particular deal. I think we underpaid. Christopolus was worth a 2nd and 3rd. So was Dionicio. Windsor should have been asking for more picks in that deal.
 
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To be fair getting traded out of flint is probably exactly what Gee and his family wanted for Christmas
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-Beck could very well be a wolf by the end of the deadline. I agree. I’ve said that myself. I don’t think Saginaw gets into a bidding war with Eastern teams.

-Everyone has players. Everyone has young players. The tie breaker has always been 2nd and 3rds. It’s the currency by which trades are done. A young player might not develop into his potential but stock piled picks can get you known entities when your window opens back up.

-I am not over valuing our players. I know full well that any deal that includes them will need several picks included. That includes Young. Heck with got two quality players from Windsor using older players BECAUSE we gave Windsor 2nd round picks. Someone who claims they can get deals done with less picks is the one that is overvaluing his players.

-I know the database isn’t 100%. There might be a pick here or there that isn’t in the correct spot. But we aren’t suddenly down multiple 2nds and 3rds and other teams suddenly don’t have several picks that aren’t listed either. So I’m terms of picks, there are only so many teams that can out bid us. That still holds true.
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players with perceived upside certainly trump picks; see the pick returns for Patterson, McNamara, Outwater, and Hay
 
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If I count based off of that Ohl database, Saginaw has only 3 more picks than the Soo in the first four rounds, so I totally disagree with the idea there’s only 3 teams that can outbid Saginaw still.

Hounds have guys like Virgilio, Brown, BMB2, Evans, etc as well to add to these picks.

Soo has two 2024 2nds ( most valuable in my opinion) and Saginaw has 0, well one but it looks to be a conditional.

Saginaw has 1 more 2nd than the Soo in the four year window. You do have more 3rds, but we have a ton more 4ths as well. I’ve been saying since the off season the Soo is in a good position with established player that have a lot of value to move around that counter the “draft pick” conversation, and I’m not overvaluing anyone, I’ve seen other posters of other teams mention it too.
 

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What's up with Nic Sima? Very low production from him. What line is he playing on? Big kid, great skater but...??
 
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