Saginaw Spirit 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[frontsfan67]

The spirit haters are quiet now ever since the relocate the cup thread LOL

Any rumblings on other players you guys are targeting?

Looking at your roster defence could probably be improved. Wonder if you go after Nelson. He is amazing. North bays defence isn’t good this year but he stands out and really controls the game

 

[bcspragu]

The spirit haters are quiet now ever since the relocate the cup thread LOL

Any rumblings on other players you guys are targeting?

Looking at your roster defence could probably be improved. Wonder if you go after Nelson. He is amazing. North bays defence isn’t good this year but he stands out and really controls the game

Probably a lot is going to depend on Aiden Young and if he’s willing to waive his NTC and to where. I would expect Saginaw would have discussed him moving prior to his selection so I’m sure they have an idea.

 

[TcNorth]

Very good win over a good Knights team.

 

[Kingpin794]

The spirit haters are quiet now ever since the relocate the cup thread LOL

Any rumblings on other players you guys are targeting?

Looking at your roster defence could probably be improved. Wonder if you go after Nelson. He is amazing. North bays defence isn’t good this year but he stands out and really controls the game

Yeah someone is getting brought in on D at some point. Nelson or Donovan would be ideal. Wanted Mathurin but he went down with an injury IIRC.

 

[frontsfan67]

Yeah someone is getting brought in on D at some point. Nelson or Donovan would be ideal. Wanted Mathurin but he went down with an injury IIRC.

Fronts have played the both in the last couple of games. They’re both very good by far their teams best d man and run the powerplay very well

 

[SPITS4EVER]

any word on christopoulus?
hopefully he didn’t re injure his wrist
all the best to him…total class act

 

[BThumme]

any word on christopoulus?
hopefully he didn’t re injure his wrist
all the best to him…total class act

They mentioned at the post game jersey auction he was feeling under the weather,
But take it with a grain of salt.

 

[OMG67]

The spirit haters are quiet now ever since the relocate the cup thread LOL

Any rumblings on other players you guys are targeting?

Looking at your roster defence could probably be improved. Wonder if you go after Nelson. He is amazing. North bays defence isn’t good this year but he stands out and really controls the game

In fairness, there really was only the OP that truly questioned it. Most mocked it. Some played a long a bit but only as a hypothetical and even then it was at best half hearted.

One top defender, a pesky winger that can score like Stonehouse and maybe a depth center that can play well on the wing and sub in at centre if there is an injury.

I really don’t think they need an elite player addition.

 

[OMG67]

Yeah someone is getting brought in on D at some point. Nelson or Donovan would be ideal. Wanted Mathurin but he went down with an injury IIRC.

I think Saginaw can handle all of the required acquisitions with draft picks. I don’t think you need guys like Nelson. I don’t think you really need to part with Young. You are fine down the middle, you have a goalie, and two top D-Men.

I think a winger like Stonehouse in Ottawa that is a complete pest that can score, a solid defensive D-Man with size like Smith in Peterborough, plus a depth centre that can play wing like Gavin Bryant in Niagara could all potentially be had for draft picks. That would round out the roster nicely.

Adding guys like Beck, Nelson, Barlow etc, would be overkill on a roster that is already solid from a foundation perspective. Time to just round out the roster. Maybe adding Barlow would be the guy if you wanted to move Young but I really don’t think it is needed, at all.

 

[Kingpin794]

I think Saginaw can handle all of the required acquisitions with draft picks. I don’t think you need guys like Nelson. I don’t think you really need to part with Young. You are fine down the middle, you have a goalie, and two top D-Men.

I think a winger like Stonehouse in Ottawa that is a complete pest that can score, a solid defensive D-Man with size like Smith in Peterborough, plus a depth centre that can play wing like Gavin Bryant in Niagara could all potentially be had for draft picks. That would round out the roster nicely.

Adding guys like Beck, Nelson, Barlow etc, would be overkill on a roster that is already solid from a foundation perspective. Time to just round out the roster. Maybe adding Barlow would be the guy if you wanted to move Young but I really don’t think it is needed, at all.

Yeah I think the fact that there isn’t a real stand out challenger in the west means we could come at this from two ways. 1) we could say that we don’t need to add a ton a save some stuff for next season. We are returing quite a few nice pieces. 2) we add 2 big names and truly establish ourselves as the team to beat in the west.

Guelph can add quite a bit and will get Allen back. I think they’ll end up being our main competitor. They’re going to look quite different come Jan 11. For that reason I think we see scenario 2.

 

[ohloutsider]

Yeah I think the fact that there isn’t a real stand out challenger in the west means we could come at this from two ways. 1) we could say that we don’t need to add a ton a save some stuff for next season. We are returing quite a few nice pieces. 2) we add 2 big names and truly establish ourselves as the team to beat in the west.

Guelph can add quite a bit and will get Allen back. I think they’ll end up being our main competitor. They’re going to look quite different come Jan 11. For that reason I think we see scenario 2.

Saginaw with hosting duties will never take a chance and not add to their fullest ability. Imagine the flack if they left options on the table and get beat out in the 1st or second round. If they do everything they can and then lose fans will aleast acknowledge they tried.

 

[OMG67]

Saginaw with hosting duties will never take a chance and not add to their fullest ability. Imagine the flack if they left options on the table and get beat out in the 1st or second round. If they do everything they can and then lose fans will aleast acknowledge they tried.

That’s a good point but do they really need a centre? IF Beck is the #1 forward on the board, do they get him or do they get a cheaper player that fits a need more suitably. I know I mentioned Brady Stonehouse (total Brad Marchand type) but I think the #1 target up front for Saginaw has to be Barlow if he comes available. That will cost Aiden Young plus picks. Pretty much same deal as Beck last year BUT you have him for two years. So, if next year is another push year, having a guy like that next season as well makes a lot of sense.

I still think Stonehouse would be your guy. I don’t think he will be available but a 30+ goal scorer that is a complete tool to play against would be perfect in that lineup. I really think Colton Smith from the Petes is another guy that fits very nicely. McCoy would also be a great fit but I think the size and overall defence from Smith may be more useful as a need.

I really think Beck would be a waste of assets and not a great fit in Saginaw. A dynamic scoring winger or a pest winger that can score is the way to go up front IMO.

 

[yacky]

That’s a good point but do they really need a centre? IF Beck is the #1 forward on the board, do they get him or do they get a cheaper player that fits a need more suitably. I know I mentioned Brady Stonehouse (total Brad Marchand type) but I think the #1 target up front for Saginaw has to be Barlow if he comes available. That will cost Aiden Young plus picks. Pretty much same deal as Beck last year BUT you have him for two years. So, if next year is another push year, having a guy like that next season as well makes a lot of sense.

I still think Stonehouse would be your guy. I don’t think he will be available but a 30+ goal scorer that is a complete tool to play against would be perfect in that lineup. I really think Colton Smith from the Petes is another guy that fits very nicely. McCoy would also be a great fit but I think the size and overall defence from Smith may be more useful as a need.

I really think Beck would be a waste of assets and not a great fit in Saginaw. A dynamic scoring winger or a pest winger that can score is the way to go i

That’s a good point but do they really need a centre? IF Beck is the #1 forward on the board, do they get him or do they get a cheaper player that fits a need more suitably. I know I mentioned Brady Stonehouse (total Brad Marchand type) but I think the #1 target up front for Saginaw has to be Barlow if he comes available. That will cost Aiden Young plus picks. Pretty much same deal as Beck last year BUT you have him for two years. So, if next year is another push year, having a guy like that next season as well makes a lot of sense.

I still think Stonehouse would be your guy. I don’t think he will be available but a 30+ goal scorer that is a complete tool to play against would be perfect in that lineup. I really think Colton Smith from the Petes is another guy that fits very nicely. McCoy would also be a great fit but I think the size and overall defence from Smith may be more useful as a need.

I really think Beck would be a waste of assets and not a great fit in Saginaw. A dynamic scoring winger or a pest winger that can score is the way to go up front IMO.

I think Beck would fit in North Bay

 

[Kingpin794]

That’s a good point but do they really need a centre? IF Beck is the #1 forward on the board, do they get him or do they get a cheaper player that fits a need more suitably. I know I mentioned Brady Stonehouse (total Brad Marchand type) but I think the #1 target up front for Saginaw has to be Barlow if he comes available. That will cost Aiden Young plus picks. Pretty much same deal as Beck last year BUT you have him for two years. So, if next year is another push year, having a guy like that next season as well makes a lot of sense.

I still think Stonehouse would be your guy. I don’t think he will be available but a 30+ goal scorer that is a complete tool to play against would be perfect in that lineup. I really think Colton Smith from the Petes is another guy that fits very nicely. McCoy would also be a great fit but I think the size and overall defence from Smith may be more useful as a need.

I really think Beck would be a waste of assets and not a great fit in Saginaw. A dynamic scoring winger or a pest winger that can score is the way to go up front IMO.

Lmao thinking that adding Beck would be a waste of assets. That's certainly a take. Just slide Haight to wing. Honestly he'd be more free to play his game at wing anyway.

 

[OMG67]

Lmao thinking that adding Beck would be a waste of assets. That's certainly a take. Just slide Haight to wing. Honestly he'd be more free to play his game at wing anyway.

I think it would be a waste of assets for Saginaw. You don’t need a centre. Why pay the added cost to acquire one? If the difference is two 2nds and two 3rds for a star forward (similar to Harrison, Zhilkin, and Arcuri) as opposed to Young, two 2nds and two 3rds for Beck….

Think about it.

 

[Kingpin794]

I think it would be a waste of assets for Saginaw. You don’t need a centre. Why pay the added cost to acquire one? If the difference is two 2nds and two 3rds for a star forward (similar to Harrison, Zhilkin, and Arcuri) as opposed to Young, two 2nds and two 3rds for Beck….

Think about it.

I have thought about it. I've already mentioned it in other threads. A 1,2,3 of Sapo, Beck, and Hay is how you build a championship team. Haight would be better at wing than center. So we upgrade center and get our wing for free.

Beck is a better center than any wings that will be available outside of Barlow (and he's not even likely being delt). And Haight is a better wing than most wings available too. So if the goal is to maximize BOTH center and wing, trade for Beck.

 

[OMG67]

I have thought about it. I've already mentioned it in other threads. A 1,2,3 of Sapo, Beck, and Hay is how you build a championship team. Haight would be better at wing than center. So we upgrade center and get our wing for free.

Beck is a better center than any wings that will be available outside of Barlow (and he's not even likely being delt). And Haight is a better wing than most wings available too. So if the goal is to maximize BOTH center and wing, trade for Beck.

If Saginaw were to make that deal, what is the cost? I know if we ask the Petes fans it is Young plus two 2nds and two 3rds. I believe that cost is too high. It comes down to assessing the overall value of Young as a prospect. Although I do find it too high, it is still int he ballpark. I am not sure it would be less than Young, plus a 2nd and a 3rd. I’d likely settle on that plus an additional 3rd and 4th.

If that is true, that leaves Saginaw with three 2nds, four 3rds and three fourths. How do they complete the roster in your opinion?

Again, I think Beck is overboard. I think Saginaw with a bye tot he Memorial cup and a great returning team can make a two year run if they are savvy enough.

 

[Kingpin794]

If Saginaw were to make that deal, what is the cost? I know if we ask the Petes fans it is Young plus two 2nds and two 3rds. I believe that cost is too high. It comes down to assessing the overall value of Young as a prospect. Although I do find it too high, it is still int he ballpark. I am not sure it would be less than Young, plus a 2nd and a 3rd. I’d likely settle on that plus an additional 3rd and 4th.

If that is true, that leaves Saginaw with three 2nds, four 3rds and three fourths. How do they complete the roster in your opinion?

Again, I think Beck is overboard. I think Saginaw with a bye tot he Memorial cup and a great returning team can make a two year run if they are savvy enough.

Really doesn't matter what the cost is. Haggling is for teams that don't have the assets. Drinkell and Co know what the goal is and won't blink to bring in what's needed.

 

[OMG67]

Really doesn't matter what the cost is. Haggling is for teams that don't have the assets. Drinkell and Co know what the goal is and won't blink to bring in what's needed.

What else do they need to add or is that it?

 

[Kingpin794]

What else do they need to add or is that it?

Beck and a defenseman to take what was Mancini's spot in the top 4. That's all.

 

[Kingpin794]

Getting close to that time of the year that WJC camp invites start coming in. Sapovaliv and Dionicio are locks for Czechia and Switzerland respectively. Oke should at least get an invite from team USA considering he’s been their 3rd string goalie the last two years. He’ll have a hard time being more than 3rd string again as Trey Augestine and Jacob Fowler seem to be 1 2. Very unlikely but maybe Haight gets an invite from Canada? So we’ll likely be down 1F, 1D, and a G for a handful of games. Wonder if we make a move for the defensemen during this time? Let them settle in for a few before Dionicio comes back.

 

[dirty12]

Lmao thinking that adding Beck would be a waste of assets. That's certainly a take. Just slide Haight to wing. Honestly he'd be more free to play his game at wing anyway.

If no glaring needs and have what it takes to get Beck, get Beck. There isn’t a more dominant individual in the league imo.
Sapovaliv and Beck …not fair

 

[OMG67]

If no glaring needs and have what it takes to get Beck, get Beck. There isn’t a more dominant individual in the league imo.
Sapovaliv and Beck …not fair

Does Saginaw “need” Beck?

 

[ohloutsider]

Does Saginaw “need” Beck?

Does Saginaw need to make sure nobody else gets Beck?

 

[OMG67]

Does Saginaw need to make sure nobody else gets Beck?

That’s a tough game to play if there is more than one guy as valuable as Beck on the market. If a kid like Rehkopf becomes available, do you go get him too? Nelson? Where does that stop?

My point is simple. First, identify what your “needs” are. Then identify the players that best suit your needs. If Saginaw needs Beck, then it makes sense to go get Beck. If it makes more sense to get a different player or a different series of players, then go do that.

It is about what makes your team better or the best it can be with the limited amount of assets the team has. Other teams will likely do the same.

If Saginaw has three very capable centres that have demonstrated the ability to win games at a high rate then how do they look on the wing? How do they look at defence, goaltending….etc…?

If Saginaw can keep their existing centres in place and address three other needs (assuming those needs exist), then why get Beck when his value is at centre? Whey move an existing centre away from centre to the wing when that player is already performing how you need? Why not get a winger that suits your needs at a significantly lower price?

Saginaw is in the Memorial Cup but has an opportunity to go there through the front door next year as well. Why mess all that up acquiring players that aren’t needed? Just because?…

Keep in mind, they may very well feel their centre depth isn’t’ good enough. That’s fine. But why go get Hay if it is all about this year and then give up your ‘07 1st to add another centre? Doesn't make sense to me.