Speculation: Sabres Roster Speculation - Pre-season 2023 Edition

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Zman and elchud laid it out well, but my two cents... Only a few players in the league check all the boxes of 25-30 goal ceiling with good linemates, 6'4 220, an actually heavy game, leadership, not afraid of anyone short of the Reaves etc, signed to a great deal. The unicorn term actually applies when describing a 90's style rugged scoring PF in the modern game.

Crouse's development was mishandled not entirely differently than Tage's, but it appears steadied now in the two seasons post-covid. If he had a full track record, his price would be astronomical. As it stands, I don't think Arizona fans would be jazzed about JJ + 2023 1st, even though they'd be underrating JJ there. He'd be a perfect fit to flip some of our perimeter talent into. However, there's no reason for them to trade him now unless things go nuclear winter there.
Then Crouse is just a bad target to trade, because we will have to overpay too much and Adams will obviously not go for it, look for an alternative. I have already suggested different options above.
 
Then Crouse is just a bad target to trade, because we will have to overpay too much and Adams will obviously not go for it, look for an alternative. I have already suggested different options above.
No, he's a good target and good targets can be hard to acquire. Plus if you're rich, an overpayment isn't as dire as it seems. We'll likely make an "overpayment" trade or two in the coming years. It's natural to have familiarity bias towards our own assets. Hell, people were calling Bloom-Stillman an overpayment. Example being projecting JJ to hit his max ceiling of PPG, while fasting Crouse regresses to a 30-point grinder.

I saw your list, a lot of nice players in there, but aside from Kempe nothing really like Crouse.
 
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No, he's a good target and good targets can be hard to acquire. Plus if you're rich an overpayment isn't as bad as it seems. We'll likely make an "overpayment" trade or two in the coming years. And hell, people were calling Bloom-Stillman an overpayment.

I saw your list, a lot of nice players in there, but aside from Kempe nothing really like Crouse.
Crouse would be a good target if it didn't have cost so much. I don't see how Adams goes for such trades, he is cautious and continues to basically build from the inside. The top 4 RD is another matter, here I would overpay for the right player, something like Andersson or Pesce, but these guys are really very difficult to get. We can try your luck in the UFA, it is clear that Buffalo is not the most popular place, but the players see that we have the right culture and the team is ready to go to the playoffs, this is not the same as it was 2-3 years ago.
 
I believe the best option for this team is a deal with Winnipeg to acquire both DeMelo & Hellebuyck.

Should cost something around a combo of

2023 or 2024 1st
+
Ostlund or Rosèn
+
2023 2nd or Jost or Jokhiharju
+
UPL

I think the 1st & Rosèn/Ostlund is fair value for Hellebuyck, while the combo of UPL + whatever other piece they add is fair value for DeMelo.

I would attempt to get Hellebuyck to re-sign a 5yr deal, if not, cutting bait wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Long enough to help mature Levi and force Levi to take the job from him. But short rnoufh

I’d also attempt to re-sign DeMelo as well. 3-5yrs around $4M-$5M seems reasonable but I’m not usually very good with contract estimates.
 
I believe the best option for this team is a deal with Winnipeg to acquire both DeMelo & Hellebuyck.

Should cost something around a combo of

2023 or 2024 1st
+
Ostlund or Rosèn
+
2023 2nd or Jost or Jokhiharju
+
UPL

I think the 1st & Rosèn/Ostlund is fair value for Hellebuyck, while the combo of UPL + whatever other piece they add is fair value for DeMelo.

I would attempt to get Hellebuyck to re-sign a 5yr deal, if not, cutting bait wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Long enough to help mature Levi and force Levi to take the job from him. But short rnoufh

I’d also attempt to re-sign DeMelo as well. 3-5yrs around $4M-$5M seems reasonable but I’m not usually very good with contract estimates.
Imagine a non-playoff team trading two first round picks of value for a 1 year rental. I would say that's a terrible waste of assets if that is another team doing it.
 
I believe the best option for this team is a deal with Winnipeg to acquire both DeMelo & Hellebuyck.

Should cost something around a combo of

2023 or 2024 1st
+
Ostlund or Rosèn
+
2023 2nd or Jost or Jokhiharju
+
UPL

I think the 1st & Rosèn/Ostlund is fair value for Hellebuyck, while the combo of UPL + whatever other piece they add is fair value for DeMelo.

I would attempt to get Hellebuyck to re-sign a 5yr deal, if not, cutting bait wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Long enough to help mature Levi and force Levi to take the job from him. But short rnoufh

I’d also attempt to re-sign DeMelo as well. 3-5yrs around $4M-$5M seems reasonable but I’m not usually very good with contract estimates.
Helly is not the goalie we need. Buffalo allows so many cross crease passes. Helly is not good at lateral movement. You can't just take any goalie and insert them on a team and expect them to play just as well. Can we stop with these terrible proposals for a rental.
 
Helly is not the goalie we need. Buffalo allows so many cross crease passes. Helly is not good at lateral movement. You can't just take any goalie and insert them on a team and expect them to play just as well. Can we stop with these terrible proposals for a rental.
Then what kind goalie do we need? Because UPL and Comrie also seem not to be the goalies who fit this game.
 
Then what kind goalie do we need? Because UPL and Comrie also seem not to be the goalies who fit this game.
Saros is the best case scenario.

There are not a lot of goalies that will look good behind the Sabres if they continue to give up the chances that they have on the regular over the past couple of seasons.
 
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Saros is the best case scenario.

There are not a lot of goalies that will look good behind the Sabres if they continue to give up the chances that they have on the regular over the past couple of seasons.
Ok, Saros, any other ideas who's a good match? But then again, we don't know, maybe Granato will make some adjustments to the system, plus getting a legit top 4 D should improve the situation.
 
Ok, Saros, any other ideas who's a good match? But then again, we don't know, maybe Granato will make some adjustments to the system, plus getting a legit top 4 D should improve the situation.
The chances they give up are as much about having a ton of offensive-minded forwards as it is the 4th guy in the top 4 D.

Vejmelka is another guy that might be a good fit among guys that might potentially be available.

Dustin Wolf is another guy that would be intriguing, but I doubt Craiger is open to moving him despite the log jam they have right now.
 
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The chances they give up are as much about having a ton of offensive-minded forwards as it is the 4th guy in the top 4 D.

Vejmelka is another guy that might be a good fit among guys that might potentially be available.

Dustin Wolf is another guy that would be intriguing, but I doubt Craiger is open to moving him despite the log jam they have right now.
So forwards need to improve in defense. Get top 4 D and goalie Maybe someone in the UFA will fit? Andersen/Jarry/Hill/Raanta/Varlamov/Korpisalo/Talbot.
 
So forwards need to improve in defense. Get top 4 D and goalie Maybe someone in the UFA will fit? Andersen/Jarry/Hill/Raanta/Varlamov/Korpisalo/Talbot.
I think they need to focus on a strong skating goalie that can beat east-to-west plays across the slotline on their feet.

Goalies like Hill & Korpisalo do not seem to me to be that type of goalie.

Jarry, and perhaps Andersen, will likely get a more costly and longer deal than Adams is looking to give out this summer.

I am expecting Varlamov re-signs with the Isles before 7/1.

I wouldn't want Talbot as he is not an improvement over UPL & Comrie right now.

I like Raanta. But, I am not sold on the fit and he has had injury issues.

Maybe Adams can pull off a trade for a veteran with 2-3 years left on his current deal. But, I am expecting that he goes into camp with the 3 goalies they have now and see how things play out.

:dunno:
 
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Buffalo only needs to carry 13 FWs during the season. They will have 4-5 waiver exempt players to fill roster holes that pop up from injury.

Does that mean they should try to carry eight D-men (well...if KA can acquire a couple good players worth carrying eight)?

Or, should that extra roster spot be used to go three-headed in goal again? Maybe only until another team needs a goalie from injury, and then trade one of Comrie/UPL?
 
Buffalo only needs to carry 13 FWs during the season. They will have 4-5 waiver exempt players to fill roster holes that pop up from injury.

Does that mean they should try to carry eight D-men (well...if KA can acquire a couple good players worth carrying eight)?

Or, should that extra roster spot be used to go three-headed in goal again? Maybe only until another team needs a goalie from injury, and then trade one of Comrie/UPL?
Carrying three goalies is rarely a great idea, especially when you have goalies as young as UPL & Levi who need more work in practice and games than a three goalie unit provides.
 
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I think they need to focus on a strong skating goalie that can beat east-to-west plays across the slotline on their feet.

Goalies like Hill & Korpisalo do not seem to me to be that type of goalie.

Jarry, and perhaps Andersen, will likely get a more costly and longer deal than Adams is looking to give out this summer.

I am expecting Varlamov re-signs with the Isles before 7/1.

I wouldn't want Talbot as he is not an improvement over UPL & Comrie right now.

I like Raanta. But, I am not sold on the fit and he has had injury issues.

Maybe Adams can pull off a trade for a veteran with 2-3 years left on his current deal. But, I am expecting that he goes into camp with the 3 goalies they have now and see how things play out.

:dunno:
Not sure if Andersen will get a term, he could be a good 2-3 year pickup if Adams doesn't want to rush Levi.

Raanta would make sense.

Maybe Vejmelka or DeSmith as a dark horse.

Demko as an option.

Well, if the rumors about Helle are true (which is still possible), then Adams may indeed be looking for a goalie. We do not know how he really evaluates our goalies, and not what he says to the press. Even in the last interview, he evaded the question of goalies, although he could say that he was happy with everything in Comrie, UPL and Levi.
 
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Not sure if Andersen will get a term, he could be a good 2-3 year pickup if Adams doesn't want to rush Levi.

Raanta would make sense.

Maybe Vejmelka or DeSmith as a dark horse.

Demko as an option.

Well, if the rumors about Helle are true (which is still possible), then Adams may indeed be looking for a goalie. We do not know how he really evaluates our goalies, and not what he says to the press. Even in the last interview, he evaded the question of goalies, although he could say that he was happy with everything in Comrie, UPL and Levi.
The rumors about Adams havinbg interest in Chychrun appear to have been true. But, Adams decided it was not worth the asking price.

Adams being interested in a move in goal and Adams choosing to pay either the trade price or the contract price for a UFA for a goalie is an entirely other thing.

There are a ton of things that Adams could do. I am less interested in what he could do than I am with awaiting conversations on what he has done.
 
The rumors about Adams havinbg interest in Chychrun appear to have been true. But, Adams decided it was not worth the asking price.

Adams being interested in a move in goal and Adams choosing to pay either the trade price or the contract price for a UFA for a goalie is an entirely other thing.

There are a ton of things that Adams could do. I am less interested in what he could do than I am with awaiting conversations on what he has done.
Yes, but there was a situation during the season, Chychrun was asked for the ransom of the king and then there were not many options to improve the defense, especially since Adams was not going to trade for rental.

It's the off-season now, there are goaltenders in both the UFA and the trade, plenty of options, don't necessarily trade for Helle if Adams doesn't like cost. The thought here is whether Adams likes the current goalies or thinks he can improve it so that he has a better chance of making the playoffs.
 
When it comes to acquiring players, Sabres fans have developed this beer tastes but champagne budget. Sabres could acquire half an active roster with their prospect pool and no one wants to deal anyone. Do we all realize that even if prospects develop most will still fail to hit their maximum potential? I’m surprised there isn’t a more robust crowd of maximizing asset value for prospects around. Prospects are either untradeable future studs or busts, no where in the middle and no discussions of what happens when a player hits as an nhler but never becomes the top 6 option that his ceiling had.
 
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When it comes to acquiring players, Sabres fans have developed this beer tastes but champagne budget. Sabres could acquire half an active roster with their prospect pool and no one wants to deal anyone. Do we all realize that even if prospects develop most will still fail to hit their maximum potential? I’m surprised there isn’t a more robust crowd of maximizing asset value for prospects around. Prospects are either untradeable future studs or busts, no where in the middle and no discussions of what happens when a player hits as an nhler but never becomes the top 6 option that his ceiling had.
I have Rosen available as well as Ostlund (for a big trade like top 4 D) I know KA won't have Ostlund available for trade yet. As such a young team trading prospects is not the answer. When you know what your team is, and what you're missing, then you can look at prospects as assets. D is a glaring need and no prospects so an exception can be made. G is tricky to navigate this year. Savoie Kulich JJ Quinn Krebs all partially unknowns so in reality we have no idea what our top wingers are outside of Skinner and Tuch. A Team like Pittsburgh who is all in on cups trades prospects and picks. Now if Savoie Kulich JJ and Quinn all establish themselves then Rosen and Ostlund can be expendable assets to trade. The other issue is say Ostlund, is worth more to KA than he is to the league.
 
Saros is the best case scenario.

There are not a lot of goalies that will look good behind the Sabres if they continue to give up the chances that they have on the regular over the past couple of seasons.
Has Nashville's defense collapsed or something? Saros is as good as Hellebuyck, but would he be behind the Sabres? What's the basis for that confidence?
 
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