Or maybe just have some of those forwards actually play in their own zone like they mean it and they'll win more games.
Speculation: Sabres Roster Speculation - Pre-season 2023 Edition
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zenthusiast
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I worry that they may lack the right staff to arrange that
Ace
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They know they lost one of their top forwards and punted
They’re doing something that you can’t find a history of success at in the last 40 years in goal. Snap his fingers? It’s his fourth offseason. The people who are pretending are doing so in the opposite direction.
Teams with holes don’t sit on 400 forward prospects. Other teams try to win.
They’re not running back this super successful team. People need to stop acting like it’s ok that players they flat out did not trust when the most important games were played (Olofsson, Comrie, UPL) are still here.
if it’s too much for you to ask they upgrade on their years long obvious holes by year 4…is it also too much to ask they don’t run back the exact same holes again?
This was the year Adams was going to do what he should have last year. That’s what I was told as what he didn’t do last year extended their playoff drought. Will it be done next year? Will it be done ever?
'Tis certainly a concern. Cozens needs to get his shit together in particular if they are going to use him as a matchup guy rather than just as Short Tage Hero. Tage too - remember the talk about his defensive stick? Let's see it.
Not to start an Adams pile on here, but, this is the problem of having a guy with no experience with no one with significant experience for him to lean on.
His 'true north' is to default to internal development/draft and develop...but, it doesn't appear that he has another gear to build a roster. There appears to be a real disconnect with reality in terms of how much internal development will be on the roster this year and a misunderstanding on the market as he's been caught holding the bag with players like Joker/Bryson/Lybushkin/Comrie and even Olofsson (though, with Quinn being injured that takes the urgency away to move him). We probably will have one of the most expensive benches in the league most nights.
tsujimoto74
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Tampa’s core isn’t that old, but they had played a lot of hockey in recent seasons. I think having a longer off-season might actually help them bounce back. And maybe losing to the Leafs wakes them up a little mentally.
Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
I think this board drastically underestimates the impact which will come from development of the kids.
I also think this board largely doesn’t acknowledge that the big lessons the team learned down the stretch were how to play in big games AND how to play team defense.
I also think this board largely doesn’t acknowledge that the big lessons the team learned down the stretch were how to play in big games AND how to play team defense.
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
I don’t get the doom and gloom. This isn’t your typical Sabres team of the mid 2010s where you knew they were eliminated by Canadian Thanksgiving.
MillerTime
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Karmanos and his 16 years as an assistant GM wouldn't be someone he could lean on for things?
tsujimoto74
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I only speak for me, but I'm excited to watch this team again next season. I actually enjoyed Sabres hockey for the first time in I can hardly remember how long last year, and I expect things to keep trending up.
Nothing to do with ownership. Right. The team is still $6 M under the cap, and they could have easily created more cap room. Olofsson is moveable at 50% retained, but you have a $2.875 M bill attached to that move and maybe get a 3rd rounder or 4th rounder. Comrie can save a $1M stashed in minors or more if he gets picked up. Bryson can be shipped to minors for another $1 M in cap room. There is $5 million in cap savings. UPL could be moved as part of goalie moves, so $6 million. That leaves lots of room for rookie bonuses still. Money is a factor with this team still.
HOOats
born Ruffian
You think they "punted" an entire season because Jack Quinn, with all of his 14-23-37 in 75GP (who some think wouldn't have hit another "career high" this year at age 22, which is a bizarre take we can worry about another day), is going to miss 35 games? Nah I can't get there, Adams and Co. would never think that way.
Although credit due for the innovation in coping with a warped, dying agenda that rivals recent innovation in superconductivity. Bummer that you won't get to root for the team to have success, lest your harsh, prescriptive takes show to be even more off-base than they did last year. But fear not, everything could go wrong, AGAIN!
They've done enough to keep me very interested and optimistic, about this year and the next ten (especially when looking at the available moves from a relatively frozen league summer). I think Adams will absolutely reinforce the roster if they show themselves to be competitive by mid-season. We'll have tons more data points on our young guys and know better who we can move out. Adams will continue to transition from managing a roster tear down to managing a building roster to managing a competitive roster (to eventually managing a contending roster). I think it's going to be incredibly fun to watch and we have zero control over any of it, so enjoy the ride, eh?
They did address the defense, you disagreeing with how they did it doesn’t mean they didn’t. They added a guy they like in a top 4 role in Clifton, and a guy they like in a bottom pairing role in Johnson. Why are you ignoring this and pretending they didn’t address a hole simply because you don’t think the move is adequate.
They did address goaltending, you disagreeing with how they did it doesn’t mean they didn’t. They have celery targeted Levi for the role. That is the player they acquired, developed, and are giving the role. Again, you can disagree with the move. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t address it.
And again, you were so wildly wrong last year with these exact same type of posts and predictions….and have just pretended you weren’t….makes these posts seem dishonest and just obsessive. You have an axe to grind, facts be damned.
When we make the playoffs this year, will you admit you were wrong? Because last year you constantly predicted they would not contend for playoffs and they would finish below Detroit and Ottawa….and you won’t admit you were wrong
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TommyDangles
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"His 'true north' is to default to internal development/draft and develop"
"it doesn't appear that he has another gear to build a roster"
Doesn't make any sense lol. He's already built a roster. All the core pieces are set. A ton of those core players came through trades also.
"misunderstanding on the market as he's been caught holding the bag with players like Joker/Bryson/Lybushkin/Comrie and even Olofsson"
These players were never worth anything substantial.
"We probably will have one of the most expensive benches in the league most nights."
Who cares? After the fiasco last year with Fitzgerald/Clague/Pilut playing NHL minutes I'm glad we actually have some depth.
Good points. You’d think people would understand holding onto depth is more valuable than getting late draft picks. especially since it’s the same posters saying we shouldn’t hoard prospects and should better the NHL team…as if depth isn’t a thing
sabremike
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No, that's the one slot clearly up for grabs that I feel the Pens now have the inside track on.
Sabre the Win
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Finally someone posting numbers that matter.B&R Goat 10-1-1 .875 Pts%
RR 2-3-2 .428 Pts%
Royal 7-17-2 .307 Pts%
White 23-13-2 .631 Pts%
I Think we know what the real secret to making the playoffs next season will be. If we switch to White Road and B&R Goat for Home we will have 123 Pts next season.
Just my view, but I think it is the wrong approach to look at the East and try to figure out who we need to overtake and who we need to fend off (not that it can’t be a fun off-season diversion). The Sabres goal should simply be to finish with fewer goals against, more wins and more points in the standings. Improve by 5 points in the standings and we are in. By 10 and we are in comfortably. I’m not sure who will fall off, but if we improve it is certain that there will be teams that drop.
No.
First off, Karmonos only got the role at Carolina because his dad owned the team. So, we have no way of knowing how involved in he was early on. At some point, he did something to impress the GM as he brought him on in Pittsburgh, so there is at least some competency.
However, he has never had to sit in the chair and make the decisions, make the plan themselves. And, one of my biggest fears as a fan is that Adams and Karmonos are trying to emulate the Rutherford era hurricanes, who barely made the playoffs and got insanely lucky for one season. The rest of the time they were trying to recapture the lightning in the bottle and just ended up being mediocre.
What "core players" did he Adams acquire through trades?
Tuch.
And it was at the expense of a franchise center. The only other core player he's added was Power, and he was a 1st overall pick. Thompson, Cozens, and Dahlin all pre date him.
Correct. And we will be paying them multiple millions to sit on the bench this season. Aka 'holding the bag'
If we were a capped out team it'd matter more. It's a waste of cap space and resources that could have been used to improve the team.
sabremike
THE RED BULL
Just a reminder: Peter Karmanos is the antichrist of hockey who a new tenth circle of Hell should be created for (along with Governor Convicted Felon and Bettman).
brian_griffin
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Core players: When a garden is already sown, you don't re-sow it. You water it, fertilize it, and prune the weeds.
[Specifically on the Tuch / Eichel trade - I make that trade 10 times out of 10 in November 2021 and August 2023 even with the knowledge gained in between.]
"Holding the bag": What NHL team doesn't have a few million over-spent or wasted on the bench? I never knew an extra ~$3M on the defensive depth (E Johnson, Boosh, Joker, Bryson, etc.) automatically disqualifies a team from making the playoffs / competing for the Cup.
[The goalposts have been moved West of ECC South campus.]
Separate but related: Some people believe an Alexandar-Georgiev-for-two-3rds-and-a-5th-like trade was available to BUF in the summer of 2020 or 2021 (pre-Levi trade). There's no evidence of that.
Here is everyone's daily reminder that UFAs get to choose where they sign to play, and that a hefty overpay on a short-term contract to go to BUF doesn't always change their minds. This public service announcement was brought to you by Taylor Hall.
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Doug Prishpreed
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I think this board underestimates the impact that will come from the development of the kids on other teams like Jersey, Ottawa, Detroit, Montreal, Columbus, Carolina, et al.
We aren't the only team who's players improve as they play more games. Even the likes of Lundell and Perbix have development room to grow, so the playoff teams aren't stagnating either.
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